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 Feb 8 2006, 11:35 PM
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About a year ago I installed LT4 hotcam, headers, bolt ons etc. Car makes 330 at the wheels, but feels a bit slow. So a couple of months ago I decided to go with lloyd elliot LE2 heads and cam to make about 400 at the wheels. 1600 for heads and cam not too bad. But adding up all the parts, man it was a lot more. Just bought the stuff today, I'm in for about 3500!
Valvetrain parts, gaskets etc. ACC-150830 Fuel Injectors, 30 lbs./hr., 14.4 Ohms Impedance, 12 V Saturated Circuit Driver, Universal, Set of 8 $249.95 1 $249.95 ARP-134-7103 Rocker Arm Studs, High Performance, 7/16-20 in. Thread, 1.77 in. Effective Stud Length, Kit $29.88 1 $29.88 BBK-1544 Throttle Body, Twin 58mm, Chevy/Pontiac, Camaro/Corvette/Firebird, 350/5.7L LT1, Each $304.88 1 $304.88 BPP-600-101 Header Fasteners, Split-Lock Bolts, External 12-Point, Stainless Steel, AMC/Chevy/Mopar, Set of 12 $64.95 1 $64.95 CCA-1305-16 Rocker Arms, Stud Mount, Full Roller, Steel, 1.6 Ratio, Fits 7/16 in. Stud, Chevy, Small Block, Set of 16 $259.88 1 $259.88 CCA-4600-16 Rocker Arm Nuts, Hi-Tech, Roller Rockers, 7/16 in.-20 Thread, .600 in. Outside Diameter, Set of 16 $44.39 1 $44.39 CCA-7940-16 Pushrods, Hi-Tech, Steel, 5/16 in. Diameter, 7.200 in. Length, Ball Ends, Hardened, Set of 16 $140.39 1 $140.39 CCA-850-16 Lifters, Hydraulic Roller, Chevy, Set of 16 $239.95 1 $239.95 FEL-MS95580 Intake Gaskets, Stock Port, LT1 Chevy, 5.7L, Set $20.69 1 $20.69 FEL-TCS45956 Timing Cover Gaskets, Chevy, Small Block, Kit $14.99 1 $14.99 FPP-1470 Exhaust Gaskets, Header, Steel Core Laminate, LT1/LT4 D-Port, Chevy, Small Block, LT1/LT4, Set $32.99 1 $32.99 MRG-5716 Head Gaskets, Ultra Seal, 4.100 in. Bore, .026 in. Compressed Thickness, Chevy, Small Block LT1, Pair $34.39 1 $34.39 NAL-12370835 Timing Chain, Extreme Duty, Roller, Steel Sprockets, Chevy, LT1, Set $245.95 1 $245.95 NAL-14011051 Guideplate, Flat, 5/16 in. Pushrod Size, Chevy, Small Block, Each $3.88 8 $31.04 The quantity you requested is currently not available. Click here for part availability and tentative ship date information. SUM-610125 Collector Gaskets, Copper, 3-Hole, 2.5 in. Inside Diameter, Pair $9.88 4 $39.52 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parts Total: $1,753.84 (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rant.gif) |
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Feb 9 2006, 12:12 AM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,640 Joined: 25-December 03 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 40 |
Yeah the little things always kill you on these projects. Did you budget any money for the fuel system?
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Feb 9 2006, 12:54 AM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,427 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (robz71lm7 @ Feb 8 2006, 19:12) Did you budget any money for the fuel system? Uh oh..... :leaving: |
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Feb 9 2006, 01:02 AM
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LS1 Inside! / Toolbox / Mechanical Engineer Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,215 Joined: 5-February 04 From: NJ Member No.: 179 |
Cha-ching! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I also dropped about $4k in heads/cam/headers/injectors/etc./etc./etc. this winter! It adds up quickly!
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Feb 9 2006, 02:18 AM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
Now you guys know why I gave up making big power and went CMC racing.
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Feb 9 2006, 02:21 AM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,427 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (mitchntx @ Feb 8 2006, 21:18) Now you guys know why I gave up making big power and went CMC racing. I keep waiting for you to "fall off the wagon" and go AV8SS or AIX racing..... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Feb 9 2006, 02:36 AM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 168 Joined: 29-January 04 From: Atlanta Member No.: 168 |
Fuel system, nope, do you guys think I need a new fuel pump, or something else?
Tim |
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Feb 9 2006, 03:27 AM
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LS1 Inside! / Toolbox / Mechanical Engineer Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,215 Joined: 5-February 04 From: NJ Member No.: 179 |
My extra power is is a result of a defective 2001 lifter tray, and a "while I'm in here I might as well upgrade this and that!" I see my track days being less and less in the future as I plan on buying a house next year......and that will put a damper on things! NJ house prices and taxes are......outta control! It could be 15 track days in 06 and only 5 or so in 07? I'm lucky that I'm going to be a permanent tower helper so 80% of my driving schools will be free this year.
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Feb 9 2006, 04:59 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 997 Joined: 28-June 05 From: North Dallas, TX Member No.: 791 |
QUOTE (Timz06 @ Feb 8 2006, 17:35) About a year ago I installed LT4 hotcam, headers, bolt ons etc. Car makes 330 at the wheels, but feels a bit slow. So a couple of months ago I decided to go with lloyd elliot LE2 heads and cam to make about 400 at the wheels. 1600 for heads and cam not too bad. But adding up all the parts, man it was a lot more. Just bought the stuff today, I'm in for about 3500! Tim I have a set of heads in process with Lloyd as well and the added luxury of being able to stop in and talk to him face to face. He recommended to me on the LE2 package to get 36 lb injectors and a Walbro or Racetronix pump. When I asked specifically about lifters, he said that is probably not necessary. He ported my intake as well ( +$200 ) and I am changing out the water pump while we are in there. You did not add in labor costs --even if you are doing it yourself, I still factor that in as an expense -- add $700 for labor. Then you have the PCM re-tune ($50?) or if you ae really doing it right - a dyno tune ( + $400) Horsepower costs mony -- no way around it. |
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Feb 9 2006, 01:00 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 168 Joined: 29-January 04 From: Atlanta Member No.: 168 |
I thought about the 36 injectors, but they are a lot more expensive and I think the 30 lb should be able to support 400-420 rwhp without too much problem.
Isn't the pump in the gas tank? I hate pulling gas tanks. I do do the labor myself, keeps me out of trouble. Tim |
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Feb 9 2006, 01:53 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Member Posts: 440 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Nashville, TN Member No.: 1 |
Yes the pump is in the gas tank, and with a helper its honestly not that bad of a job.
I just put in the Racetronix pump w/boostapump kit..that's what I'd recommend for any serious HP effort, especially for you road racer types because your fuel volume demands will be for much more sustained periods. |
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Feb 9 2006, 02:01 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 195 Joined: 16-November 04 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 543 |
QUOTE (Timz06 @ Feb 9 2006, 09:00) I thought about the 36 injectors, but they are a lot more expensive and I think the 30 lb should be able to support 400-420 rwhp without too much problem. Isn't the pump in the gas tank? I hate pulling gas tanks. I do do the labor myself, keeps me out of trouble. Tim you could use the "trap door" method, altho racetronix does not endorse this practice.... |
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Feb 9 2006, 02:03 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,640 Joined: 25-December 03 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 40 |
QUOTE (AndyJ @ Feb 9 2006, 00:59) When I asked specifically about lifters, he said that is probably not necessary. I wonder if that doesn't have something to do with all the issues Comp R's have had lately. |
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Feb 9 2006, 02:10 PM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (robz71lm7 @ Feb 9 2006, 08:03) QUOTE (AndyJ @ Feb 9 2006, 00:59) When I asked specifically about lifters, he said that is probably not necessary. I wonder if that doesn't have something to do with all the issues Comp R's have had lately. I used the Comp OE replacement lifter in my street car. Haven't had an issue. The cam is near .600 lift and am using Patriot double valve springs. |
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Feb 9 2006, 02:26 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,640 Joined: 25-December 03 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 40 |
Yes but on LT1's (the poster has an LT1) Comp R's have been failing left and right even with proper valvetrain setups.
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread....omp+lifter+fail |
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Feb 9 2006, 03:47 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Member Posts: 440 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Nashville, TN Member No.: 1 |
QUOTE (robz71lm7 @ Feb 9 2006, 08:26) Yes but on LT1's (the poster has an LT1) Comp R's have been failing left and right even with proper valvetrain setups. http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread....omp+lifter+fail That's not good. I'm running Comp Rs. Of course the car has maybe 3000 miles on it in the last 18 mos. |
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Feb 9 2006, 04:22 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 647 Joined: 30-December 03 From: Paris, Texas Member No.: 74 |
I can remember when I did a heads/cam job on my car. I had bugeted X-amount and then it just about doubled when I was done and I could have probably tripled it I hadn't just drew a line I wasn't crossing.
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Feb 9 2006, 04:45 PM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
QUOTE (robz71lm7 @ Feb 9 2006, 08:26) Yes but on LT1's (the poster has an LT1) Comp R's have been failing left and right even with proper valvetrain setups. http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread....omp+lifter+fail True...but I heard it was a "bad batch" issue.....I have Comp R's that are approx 2 years old and they look fine when I opened the top end up the other night for Ai heads and cam.... Ai said to go with the Comp R's if they look good, or replace with OEM if they look bad, I felt nervous about them..... |
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Feb 9 2006, 10:12 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 854 Joined: 26-December 03 From: NYC, NY Member No.: 50 |
you forgot to budget in coolant and oil/oil filter etc.
The wire retainer has changed drastically in the design for the comp R as those pictures on CZ28 show. |
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Feb 9 2006, 11:52 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 168 Joined: 29-January 04 From: Atlanta Member No.: 168 |
Those lifters I bought aren't the comp r's.
When I did the hotcam, I flushed the engine by runinning it for a few hours between changes, for the first 4 oil changes. Paranoid about dirt. At least I can sell my heads with the lt4 hotcam kit and get a little back, but not too much I guess! |
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