interesting info, about gas prices Options

[Crazy Canuck]

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=24

And some of you complain about gas prices... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/lmao.gif)

Over the last week in Montreal, it's been ~ 5$/gallon.
and btw, Montreal is among the most expensive in Canada... to make it worse.

[rpoz-29]

I couldn't help but notice. Everytime YOUR prices went up.....so did OURS. I believe you guys are pulling our prices up. So stop it. At least now I know who to blame this on. It isn't the Saudis, OPEC, Chavez, Congress, the Senate, illegal Immigrants, or Bush. It's our neighbors to the North! You sneaky rascals. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[Ojustracing]

Very Interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[Rob Hood]

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=24

And some of you complain about gas prices... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/lmao.gif)

Over the last week in Montreal, it's been ~ 5$/gallon.
and btw, Montreal is among the most expensive in Canada... to make it worse.

Of course we complain about gas prices! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) The real question is, why don't you move south of the border and pay less for gas?? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)

[TSHACK]

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=24

And some of you complain about gas prices... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/lmao.gif)

Over the last week in Montreal, it's been ~ 5$/gallon.
and btw, Montreal is among the most expensive in Canada... to make it worse.

I say the oil corperation With there record braking profits need a super dupper (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)

[MikeP-99Z]

I just paid $3.83/gallon for diesel in this wonderful state. It's getting more painful every week.

Maybe I'll ditch the truck and buy a SmartCar - that's sure to tow the Z28...

[Rob Hood]

I saw $3.97 for diesel here in San Jose... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rant.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/bs.gif)

[Crazy Canuck]

i paid over $5 / gallon the last week

[Pilot]

Psh, I pay $5.25/gal. for aviation fuel here..... and I burn it at 8-10 gph!

[nape]

I drove by a gas station today in one of the more well-to-do suburbs and it was $3.39/gal for regular and $4.09/gal for diesel. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I'm really glad I didn't go dirt racing or build a high compression motor. 108 octane was $6.75/gal two years ago at Eldora. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[Ojustracing]

Diesel around here in NY is running 3.85-4.00 a gallon. Regular gas is 3.30ish. 60 to 70 cents a gallon more for diesel is just wrong!!!!!! But with that said my car owner just went out and bought a diesel tow rig to replace the v-10 one we use. 99 crew cab 8ft box dulley, cant get any bigger than that. I can here it now when we go to the track that its cost him xxx to go.... And he doesnt like to travel far!!!!!!!

John

[rpoz-29]

What amazes me are the driving habits I see. I live at a "T" intersection. It is unbelieveable how many people floor it as soon as the car ahead clears the intersection. I live on the road that is intersected, (the straight), and I just watch them go. Makes no difference what they're driving either. A Honda with a fart pipe, an SUV, dump truck....I really love the lifted 4x4's with the obligatory 3" chrome dual tips, towing a bass boat with a 250hp outboard, just hauling ass. Three dollars a gallon, and folks are driving like it's half that much. We're getting screwed, but at what point do people change their driving styles? I'm no saint, but I hate to waste money.

[Crazy Canuck]

Psh, I pay $5.25/gal. for aviation fuel here..... and I burn it at 8-10 gph!

i'm talking about 87octane, not even 91-92 nor 94

[bsim]

We're getting screwed, but at what point do people change their driving styles? I'm no saint, but I hate to waste money.

1. I think we're only screwed because certain political groups won't let us get to oil in our own country.
2. However, once we (collectively) run the middle east out of crude, we (and Russia) will become the oil suppliers to the world.
3. I won't change my driving style at any price point - It ain't a waste of money if you enjoy it.

[bsim]

And I did happen to notice last night on the news a story about gas prces. This lady was complaining as she filled her Pathfinder to the tune of $90 or something:
1) Gas costs too much, and
2) Bush should do something (like the government should control every thing)

All this while holding a $4.00 16oz COFFEE.

Check my math, but isn't that $32/gallon? That's what burns my a$$, complete ignorance about what's really important.

[Crazy Canuck]

i agree about ppl bitching about it, while paying 1$ for a can of soda.
What's involved in a soda vs oil refinery ? seriously... why is Coca-Cola way more expensive than fuel ?
I guess we don't notice it since we don't buy 20 gallons at a time.

[rpoz-29]

Yeah, but your driving style probably doesn't include blasting away at wot EVERY time you have a reason to accelerate. I mean a guy driving a 14 mpg 4X4 truck like a boy racer? Maybe it's an age thing. If coke went up in price as fast as oil has, I would simply quit drinking it. I can't do that with fuel. I have a hint for all of the candidates still in the Presidential Race. If you want to win, offer to drill for oil on the White House lawn if there is reason to believe it's there!

This post has been edited by rpoz-29: Mar 2 2008, 01:21 AM

[marka]

Howdy,

offer to drill for oil on the White House lawn if there is reason to believe it's there!

Yeah, lets keep ignoring that oil is a limited resource we're burning through way faster than it can sustain. So we'll drill for oil, and prices will be ok for another year.

Give me the fuel cell cars. You guys can keep your relics. :-)

Mark

[bsim]

Heehee!

Yeah, but your driving style probably doesn't include blasting away at wot EVERY time you have a reason to accelerate. I mean a guy driving a 14 mpg 4X4 truck like a boy racer?

My Avalanche (non-4x4) sees more WOT than my Corvette. But I am only 41. My dad on the other hand still spins the tires in his Buick AND his Z06. I only hope I can still do that when I'm in my mid-70s.

And I could be with Mark on the fuel-cell thing, but I don't know about hydrogen. No one seems to be putting 2 and 2 together:
IF we have global warming, and rising seas, what happens when we add all the water created as exhaust from millions of autos? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)

[Mojave]

Howdy,

offer to drill for oil on the White House lawn if there is reason to believe it's there!

Yeah, lets keep ignoring that oil is a limited resource we're burning through way faster than it can sustain. So we'll drill for oil, and prices will be ok for another year.

Give me the fuel cell cars. You guys can keep your relics. :-)

Mark

The problem with fuel cell cars is the hydrogen. Where do you get it? If you get it from water, you are using electricity (and a lot of it). And where does electricity come from? Fossil fueled power plants (a lot of it anyway).

[rpoz-29]

I made the "drill for oil on the White Hose Lawn" as a bit of humor. Sorry if anyone took it literally. However, fossil fuels are needed NOW. Drill for the oil that we need and begin research into real alternatives. The price of everything we need is directly tied to the cost of oil, and a savvy politcian would suggest the need to buy some time until we find a real alternative. Brazil was smart enough to do so in the early 70's and now import virtually no oil. The US has debated drilling for oil off of our east coast for years. Evironmental concerns have kept that program at bay. Russia has started looking into the same area. If they do find oil, (this is beyond territorial waters), we won't reap any profits, but we will have to deal with any environmental problems.

This post has been edited by rpoz-29: Mar 2 2008, 06:56 PM

[SStrokerAce]

I'm a really big fan of E85 so we don't have to go thru a total transformation of everything. We have lots of development time in internal combustion engines and there is nothing wrong with supporting farmers more. If engines were built just to run E85 we would have much cheaper gas bills. The lack of fuel economy could be offset by more compression and direct injection along with advancements in ethanol production it would be easy to see sub $2 a gallon fuel. That would transform the auto industry in a short time and keep us out of the middle east except to help Israel.

The second generation process to make Ethanol are very interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel

If we got away from Corn and moved to a plant like switchgrass to make cellulosic ethanol we are getting someplace in terms of ethanol prodcution per plant and emissions coming from production of the fuel. Either way a big change to say electric or hydrogen power is going to be extremely hard on the infrastructure of fuel stations and engine technology. This is a very good read... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulosic_ethanol

The reduction of harmfull emissions by using ethonal vs. gasoline is substantial and considering that China and the US both have large land areas to grow fuel and we will be the largest two users of fuel to power our economies it could work out very well.

Bret

This post has been edited by SStrokerAce: Mar 3 2008, 06:39 AM

[firehawkclone]

Since I drill for oil almost everyday, I can tell you this.....

Don't beleave what your being told, there is no shortage, it isn't bad for the environment drilling for or pumping oil, if the RULE's are followed anyway! And most Company's do!

Are ability to get the oil out of the ground is the only limit right now. I'm drilling more holes than ever on a "patch" that has been producing for almost 110 years!

Autos don't take up the most oil......look at some of what oil makes!

Ammonia, Anesthetics, Antihistamines, Artificial limbs, Artificial Turf, Antiseptics, Aspirin, Auto Parts, Awnings, Balloons, Ballpoint pens, Bandages, Beach Umbrellas, Boats, Cameras, Candles, Car Battery Cases, Carpets, Caulking, Combs, Cortisones, Cosmetics, Crayons, Credit Cards, Curtains, Deodorants, Detergents, Dice, Disposable Diapers, Dolls, Dyes, Eye Glasses, Electrical Wiring Insulation, Faucet Washers, Fishing Rods, Fishing Line, Fishing Lures, Food Preservatives, Food Packaging, Garden Hose, Glue, Hair Coloring, Hair Curlers, Hand Lotion, Hearing Aids, Heart Valves, Ink, Insect Repellant, Insecticides, Linoleum, Lip Stick, Milk Jugs, Nail Polish, Oil Filters, Panty Hose, Perfume, Petroleum Jelly, plastics, Rubber Cement, Rubbing Alcohol, Shampoo, Shaving Cream, Shoes, Toothpaste, Trash Bags, Upholstery, Vitamin Capsules, Water Pipes, Yarn

And the list goes on and on!

[bsim]

I think the biggest thing we're "being told" is the anti-oil propaganda, touting renewable energy. There is no such thing..

The first law of thermodynamics states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only converted from a concentrated state to a less concentrated state.

My tongue-in-cheek comment about what we will do about all the extra water coming from hydrogen conversion was mostly based upon the fact that whatever we do for energy will have consequences.

Did you know that over a one year period a single person exhales the same amount of CO2 as a Prius driving 20k miles? When do we start limiting people breathing?

[firehawkclone]

When do we start limiting people breathing?

I can come up with a few to help the planet out (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif)

[marka]

Howdy,

I think the biggest thing we're "being told" is the anti-oil propaganda, touting renewable energy. There is no such thing..

The first law of thermodynamics states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only converted from a concentrated state to a less concentrated state.

My tongue-in-cheek comment about what we will do about all the extra water coming from hydrogen conversion was mostly based upon the fact that whatever we do for energy will have consequences.

Of course it will. Anyone halfway intelligent knows that. The problem is that it would appear that oil is becoming harder to get and/or we as a nation don't want to be reliant on the folks that control oil, so we need to switch to some other power source, which will have its own plusses & minuses, nothing more. Its just that we want to switch to something that is more efficient and has plusses & minuses that better fit what we need.

Mark

[bsim]

HEAT is the problem, and until we invent the (impossible) heatless motor, we're only delaying the inevitable. Oil is only "harder to get" for political reasons. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)

Besides, in the future the sun will go red giant and devour the earth. Why leave a planet with combustibles in it? Better explosion? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)

[marka]

Howdy,

HEAT is the problem, and until we invent the (impossible) heatless motor, we're only delaying the inevitable. Oil is only "harder to get" for political reasons. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)

The reasons being political or not doesn't matter... Its still harder to get.

My personal timeframe is the next couple hundred years. There are plenty of resources that will last that long and quite a bit longer without issues. Quoting thermodynamic laws in this with some kinda "well, no matter what you're screwed" attitude is a bit over the top when at least one major source (solar) certainly isn't going away in the next million years or so.

Besides, in the future the sun will go red giant and devour the earth. Why leave a planet with combustibles in it? Better explosion? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)

No. Instead of consuming so much oil with cars or other things that are "easy" to convert to other sources, I'd prefer we left the oil to things that would be really hard to make without it... I.e. lubricants, plastics, or whatever.

You talk like someone that uses dollar bills to wipe their ass, because they're easier to reach than the toilet paper in the closet.

Mark

This post has been edited by marka: Mar 3 2008, 08:28 PM

[bsim]

Actually I'm unemployed, so I need those $$ bills.

And yes, I'm going to use all I can while I can. Seeing a Prius on the freeway = 2nd gear 4500 rpm in the Avalanche. Sure it costs me money, but it does make me feel better, fighting the smugness factor. And you can't put a price on that kind of happiness. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)

[nape]

Quoting thermodynamic laws in this with some kinda "well, no matter what you're screwed" attitude is a bit over the top when at least one major source (solar) certainly isn't going away in the next million years or so.

Thermodynamic laws don't lie. Think about how much energy goes into making that solar panel for the amount you get out of it over it's lifespan. It's not a winner.

Photo voltaic systems sound like a money maker to me, I can't wait for them to take off (electrician). The hard fact is that without government subsides (tax credits, etc), it'll take a long time for them to pay back and by the time they pay for themselves you're looking at replacing them due to limited lifespan. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)