[ReEntryRacer]

I dropped into Laguna Seca a few days ago while I was heading back to Canada after a vacation in AZ. We watched the Audi bunch having so much fun that I have convinced my wife to support me in a long haul back down there this season with my SCCA-legal GT1 car. Its just production-based and nowhere near as fast as purpose-built tube-frame 'real' GT1 cars, but I want to try that track before I get much older/fatter/slower. I have joined SCCA-SF Region in preparation, and see three SCCA events listed, one in early May, another in late June and another in early Oct. I could REALLY use some advice as I prep the car and plan the long trip down from British Columbia. Is there anyone on here that intends to compete in one or more of these weekends? This old 'newbie' could use all the local information he can get! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Larry

[rmackintosh]

I dropped into Laguna Seca a few days ago while I was heading back to Canada after a vacation in AZ. We watched the Audi bunch having so much fun that I have convinced my wife to support me in a long haul back down there this season with my SCCA-legal GT1 car. Its just production-based and nowhere near as fast as purpose-built tube-frame 'real' GT1 cars, but I want to try that track before I get much older/fatter/slower. I have joined SCCA-SF Region in preparation, and see three SCCA events listed, one in early May, another in late June and another in early Oct. I could REALLY use some advice as I prep the car and plan the long trip down from British Columbia. Is there anyone on here that intends to compete in one or more of these weekends? This old 'newbie' could use all the local information he can get! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Larry

Likely I will be at all three of those events.

Pending my car getting done, and me finding a new job..... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE I CAN INSTILL ON YOU IF YOU ARE GONNA HAUL ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE FOR LAGUNA IS........MAKE SURE YOUR CAR WILL PASS SOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Laguna is sound NAZI's and they have park rangers roaming around with sound meters nailing people......I see it all the time, folks towing for miles and they turn 4 laps all weekend because they can't get the car to pass sound.

This is assuming your car is sorted in all the "normal" areas and is fairly reliable.....

IT IS THE BEST TRACK TO DRIVE ON PERIOD, so I think you should come on down! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

[ReEntryRacer]

Thanks for the encouragement Randy. I see from your website that you had a big one at the last race in Laguna.
I hope you can recover from that severe damage in time to run the whole season.

About the noise issue; can you tell me the dB limit(s) for big bore cars? I play around with those fast GT1 cars here at home and we have to meet 95 dB taken at 50' from the track edge at an acceleration zone. I never quite get to 95 so I hope that will work down there. You have experience with SCCA GT and IT so maybe you can tell me how SCCA will want my car placed. I know its not IT-legal due to its age, and I'm not sure how they will view my underpowered car (~340 RWHP) in GT1. We have a run-what-ya-brung type of GT group here that allows any year of car as long as it meets all CACC/SCCA safety preparation rules. As well as CACC/SCCA GTS 1-4 classes, we have a GT-O (over 4000cc) class for odd-ball cars with rotary engines in Fieros and Datsun 510's etc. What run group do you think I'd be best in?

[rmackintosh]

Thanks for the encouragement Randy. I see from your website that you had a big one at the last race in Laguna.
I hope you can recover from that severe damage in time to run the whole season.

About the noise issue; can you tell me the dB limit(s) for big bore cars? I play around with those fast GT1 cars here at home and we have to meet 95 dB taken at 50' from the track edge at an acceleration zone. I never quite get to 95 so I hope that will work down there. You have experience with SCCA GT and IT so maybe you can tell me how SCCA will want my car placed. I know its not IT-legal due to its age, and I'm not sure how they will view my underpowered car (~340 RWHP) in GT1. We have a run-what-ya-brung type of GT group here that allows any year of car as long as it meets all CACC/SCCA safety preparation rules. As well as CACC/SCCA GTS 1-4 classes, we have a GT-O (over 4000cc) class for odd-ball cars with rotary engines in Fieros and Datsun 510's etc. What run group do you think I'd be best in?

Yeah, I got clocked pretty good. T-boned a Datsun 510....which I raced for 9 years....at over 100 MPH! He was WAAAAAAY out of shape and fishtailing wildly and came at me with no "warning" and I was stuck.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I am working on the car now. Just dropped the motor and tranny in this weekend. I WILL miss the season opener in 2 weeks for sure. I HOPE to get it together for the May Laguna race....round #2.

If your car is not tube framed, and you run on DOT tires....you will be elegible for ITE, which is what I run. There is no year cut off and there are plenty of 3rd gens that run....even an occaisional 1st gen. You will still be under powered for the hardware we see around here, but you WILL have someone to race with as ITE has a large spread of car type and prep. There are three rules:

1. Must be tub based production car
2. Must run on DOT tires
3. Must meet IT category safety rules

As far as sound....man, you guys are even tighter than we are! They attempt to put us in a 103 db window.....and most of our runs are that. However, due to scheduling we may have a 101 db session or two in there...sometimes it is a race. Since sound is set by windows, you can have the db limit change mid session! I will say this, many say that their car "grows" a few db at Laguna....ie if their car was a 101 db at Thunderhill....it can be say a 104 db at Laguna....just the way it goes. If you are that quiet, you **SHOULD** be OK. However, I would bring some turndowns, or other means to "tune" the dbs if you can.

If you have a fuel cell, you could run in GT-1 as well....you would be way under manned, but you could double enter in both ITE (group 1) and GT-1 (group 3) to maximize the track time you get for the HELLACIOUS tow you have in store.

Come on down!
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[ReEntryRacer]

Wow, you are a fount of knowledge! A couple more questions please:
1. Are Hoosier R5s or R6s considered DOT by SCCA? They say DOT on them, but they are radial race slicks in passenger car sizes. I use Hoosier radial rains too.
2. I normally use 4.10 rear gears, and never see 5th gear with my T5 up here. Can you guess what gears a T5 car with only 6000 RPM needs at the longest/fastest straight at Laguna?
3. I think I have all GT1 required items including 10lbs of Halon, forged bellhousing, DS loops, 22 gal. fuel cell. I still have a glass rear hatch with hoodpins only, no straps. Will that bounce me?
4. I saw something about a recently proposed/revised rule about NASCAR-like bars into the door rather than across it. If so, I will need to remove my aluminum inner door liners and do some cutting and welding.
Thanks again. You are helping me enormously!
Larry

[rmackintosh]

Wow, you are a fount of knowledge! A couple more questions please:
1. Are Hoosier R5s or R6s considered DOT by SCCA? They say DOT on them, but they are radial race slicks in passenger car sizes. I use Hoosier radial rains too.
2. I normally use 4.10 rear gears, and never see 5th gear with my T5 up here. Can you guess what gears a T5 car with only 6000 RPM needs at the longest/fastest straight at Laguna?
3. I think I have all GT1 required items including 10lbs of Halon, forged bellhousing, DS loops, 22 gal. fuel cell. I still have a glass rear hatch with hoodpins only, no straps. Will that bounce me?
4. I saw something about a recently proposed/revised rule about NASCAR-like bars into the door rather than across it. If so, I will need to remove my aluminum inner door liners and do some cutting and welding.
Thanks again. You are helping me enormously!
Larry

The Hoosiers are fine for ITE.

As for the rear gears....you might get into 5th on the front straight. I use 3.90's and have no problem but I go to 7000 RPM. The 4.10's should be really nice climbing up the hill however. I know some vintage guys who go even higher than that!

I am no expert on GT-1 rules. The rear hatch with glass I would **THINK** would be OK. They might prefer window clips to hold it in though.....I would ping Alan Blaine on here to get input from one who builds cars and knows the rules much more so than I. PM him and I am sure he could answer.

Same for the NASCAR bars. I would **THINK** you are OK, but Alan would know better.

This post has been edited by rmackintosh: Mar 17 2008, 03:03 PM

[ReEntryRacer]

Thanks again. Good to know I don't need Toyos or something. I have been scouring the SCCA GCRs and GT1 rules to ensure I'm in compliance, and other than moving my oil cooler from the passenger compartment floor back to the front, adding the 3 support strips inside my lexan windshield, and adding the two strips outside the rear hatch, I look legal (if not very fast) in that class. I'm totally bafffled about ITE though. I see no references to that class on the official SCCA Cars and Classes site. I'm assuming its a local/regional thing? I see that your region also has a class called GTA in Group 3. The ICSCC up here has such a class that catches the GT cars that comply with the safety regs but not necessarily with the GT1 specs. Can you point me at a set of regs for that class? Sorry about all the questions. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Larry

[rmackintosh]

Thanks again. Good to know I don't need Toyos or something. I have been scouring the SCCA GCRs and GT1 rules to ensure I'm in compliance, and other than moving my oil cooler from the passenger compartment floor back to the front, adding the 3 support strips inside my lexan windshield, and adding the two strips outside the rear hatch, I look legal (if not very fast) in that class. I'm totally bafffled about ITE though. I see no references to that class on the official SCCA Cars and Classes site. I'm assuming its a local/regional thing? I see that your region also has a class called GTA in Group 3. The ICSCC up here has such a class that catches the GT cars that comply with the safety regs but not necessarily with the GT1 specs. Can you point me at a set of regs for that class? Sorry about all the questions. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Larry

No problem. Questions are good and ALWAYS welcome.

Here is the ITE rules:

SFR SCCA ITE RULES

Not much meat there.....but VERY OPEN for you and others!

GTA is a spec class for Tube Framed spec motor/tire cars. You would not be eligible.

[Blainefab]

Wow, you are a fount of knowledge! A couple more questions please:
1. Are Hoosier R5s or R6s considered DOT by SCCA? They say DOT on them, but they are radial race slicks in passenger car sizes. I use Hoosier radial rains too.
2. I normally use 4.10 rear gears, and never see 5th gear with my T5 up here. Can you guess what gears a T5 car with only 6000 RPM needs at the longest/fastest straight at Laguna?
3. I think I have all GT1 required items including 10lbs of Halon, forged bellhousing, DS loops, 22 gal. fuel cell. I still have a glass rear hatch with hoodpins only, no straps. Will that bounce me?
4. I saw something about a recently proposed/revised rule about NASCAR-like bars into the door rather than across it. If so, I will need to remove my aluminum inner door liners and do some cutting and welding.
Thanks again. You are helping me enormously!
Larry

Larry - Welcome back to Laguna! I don't get there nearly as often as I'd like to anymore. My shop is 1hr from the paddock and I work weekend evenings so if you have any problems needing cut 'n paste give me a call 831 427-3296

1. Yes, Hoosier DOT radials are considered DOT tires for ITE.
2. Of our 3 tracks (Thunderhill, Sears Point, Laguna), Laguna has the shortest straights - I never touch the rev limit there on my car (6300rpm, 4th gear 1:1, 3.73 rear = 128mph) With 4.10 and 6000rpm you'll top out at 111mph in 4th - sounds kinda low for even a mild motor - so you may tickle the limiter before braking for T2 and/or T5.
3. They'll want 2 straps of metal 1/8 x 1" top to bottom over the rear window.
4. The new cage rules recommend NASCAR bars but do not require them. They DO require 2 door bars on each side - "X" is good.

Enter ITE as your primary class and have fun with the hotrodded street cars in group1 and as a second class GT1 or SP (Super Production - another regional class) in goup3. Both groups get 101db sound - if you have a chambered muffler you'll be OK if the car doesn't rattle or buzz from vibration.

Rules are here: http://scca.com/documents/Club%20Rules/GCR2008.pdf review the cage tube sizes in appendix G. If you are ERW you'll need a SCCA logbook from prior to 2003 to grandfather it. Fire system nozzles in the fuel cell compartment, and it should be completely sealed from the driver compartment, including filler pipe. Any fluid carrying hoses in the drivers compartment need to be metal. SCCA patch for the driver suit, stickers for car. For assistance with SCCA license and race entry, contact:
Customer Service Colleen Worthington
530-934-5588 ext 100
colleen@thunderhill.com

[ReEntryRacer]

Larry - Welcome back to Laguna! I don't get there nearly as often as I'd like to anymore. My shop is 1hr from the paddock and I work weekend evenings so if you have any problems needing cut 'n paste give me a call 831 427-3296

1. Yes, Hoosier DOT radials are considered DOT tires for ITE.
2. Of our 3 tracks (Thunderhill, Sears Point, Laguna), Laguna has the shortest straights - I never touch the rev limit there on my car (6300rpm, 4th gear 1:1, 3.73 rear = 128mph) With 4.10 and 6000rpm you'll top out at 111mph in 4th - sounds kinda low for even a mild motor - so you may tickle the limiter before braking for T2 and/or T5.
3. They'll want 2 straps of metal 1/8 x 1" top to bottom over the rear window.
4. The new cage rules recommend NASCAR bars but do not require them. They DO require 2 door bars on each side - "X" is good.

Enter ITE as your primary class and have fun with the hotrodded street cars in group1 and as a second class GT1 or SP (Super Production - another regional class) in goup3. Both groups get 101db sound - if you have a chambered muffler you'll be OK if the car doesn't rattle or buzz from vibration.

Rules are here: http://scca.com/documents/Club%20Rules/GCR2008.pdf review the cage tube sizes in appendix G. If you are ERW you'll need a SCCA logbook from prior to 2003 to grandfather it. Fire system nozzles in the fuel cell compartment, and it should be completely sealed from the driver compartment, including filler pipe. Any fluid carrying hoses in the drivers compartment need to be metal. SCCA patch for the driver suit, stickers for car. For assistance with SCCA license and race entry, contact:
Customer Service Colleen Worthington
530-934-5588 ext 100
colleen@thunderhill.com

Alan,
Somehow I new I'd have to contact you about my plan. I've seen enough on this forum to realize you are the 'source' when it comes to race car prep in CA! Thank you for taking the time to help.
I can run my engine (almost stock ZZ4) to 6300 too (my limiter is set to 6350) but I try not to go there as my temps and pressures start to get less than optimum when I do. But since I usually do 1-hour races on a very tight track it may not be as much of an issue with higher speeds and less time spent in lower gears accelerating. The cage is ASN Canada FIA legal (1.75" DOM etc.) with a logbook from 2004. The SCCA GCRs say that all Canadian logbooks are accepted (9.2.1. D) and my CACC license is covered (in 4.4.5. F) as far as I can tell.

I have the fuel cell located within the old trunk/fuel tank area (partially cut out) with the top surface of the cell visible under the hatch, and the filler just as supplied (on the top of the cell). I closed in the rest of the removed 'floor' structure with aluminum, and installed a polycarbonate partition between the passenger area and the rear section per the 'alternate materials partition' rule. Will my use of expanding foam filler between the outer skin and the factory inner (speaker box?) structural members be considered adequate to block off the rest of the route for fuel/vapors to get forward? I can send pics if necessary. I have added a second 5 lb. Halon bottle and nozzle just for the fuel cell area. The other 5 lb. bottle has nozzles that point at me, and at the base of the carb.

I've never installed front or rear straps yet. Personally, straps on the outside of safety glass makes no sense to me, as it will simply explode if hit hard enough, but if that's the rule, then I'll attach them to the same bolts that attach the glass at the top, and bolt them to the metal hatch. Do I need the front inner ones if I enter GT1? I can't see them being any help either, as my 6mm windshield seems capable of surviving almost anything but an engine block thrown at it. But I realize rules are rules.

My exhaust (2 1/2 inch) has two simple glass-pack bottles, angled down just forward of the rear bumper, in the space on each side of the cell, with rear exit tailpipes. It seems to be 93-94 db with our noise equipment, so it should pass at Laguna.

The cage has two 1.75" tubes (~ parallel) between front and rear hoops on both door areas per the SCCA. It has two lower forward foot bars on the driver's side too. The front hoop also has extensions into the engine bay, and they attach at the strut towers as allowed by GT rules. Some original pictures during construction are on my (very outdated) website, www.ReEntryRacing.com which might explain what I'm saying.

My car is in the paint shop getting a new scheme, and I'll be able to start re-installing everything in a week or two. I will aim (work schedule permitting) at the May 5-6 Regional at Laguna, and failing that, the Double Regional June 27-29. I think I'm as stoked as an old guy gets about this, as Laguna Seca has always been on my 'Bucket List'. I hope I can meet some of the people on this site when I get down there, and thank you and Randy in person!

Larry Bell

[rmackintosh]

I've never installed front or rear straps yet. Personally, straps on the outside of safety glass makes no sense to me, as it will simply explode if hit hard enough, but if that's the rule, then I'll attach them to the same bolts that attach the glass at the top, and bolt them to the metal hatch. Do I need the front inner ones if I enter GT1? I can't see them being any help either, as my 6mm windshield seems capable of surviving almost anything but an engine block thrown at it. But I realize rules are rules.

Larry Bell

Hey Larry!

I think with stock windows window clips should be sufficient. I will try and look at my book when I get home.

Personally I ran my 4th gen with a stock rear window for 4 years now with NO CLIPS or STRAPS and I was fine. GT-1 may be different.

Randy

This post has been edited by rmackintosh: Mar 20 2008, 09:38 PM

[ReEntryRacer]

I've never installed front or rear straps yet. Personally, straps on the outside of safety glass makes no sense to me, as it will simply explode if hit hard enough, but if that's the rule, then I'll attach them to the same bolts that attach the glass at the top, and bolt them to the metal hatch. Do I need the front inner ones if I enter GT1? I can't see them being any help either, as my 6mm windshield seems capable of surviving almost anything but an engine block thrown at it. But I realize rules are rules.

Larry Bell

Hey Larry!

I think with stock windows window clips should be sufficient. I will try and look at my book when I get home.

Personally I ran my 4th gen with a stock rear window for 4 years now with NO CLIPS or STRAPS and I was fine. GT-1 may be different.

Randy

Thanks Randy. I guess i can relax about ITE, as I seem to have the bases covered, but to enter GT1 I bet I'll need the inner strips on my lexan windshield. Its the best time to install them while the car is all apart, so I'll just go get some material and figure something out. Same for the rear too.

[rmackintosh]

I've never installed front or rear straps yet. Personally, straps on the outside of safety glass makes no sense to me, as it will simply explode if hit hard enough, but if that's the rule, then I'll attach them to the same bolts that attach the glass at the top, and bolt them to the metal hatch. Do I need the front inner ones if I enter GT1? I can't see them being any help either, as my 6mm windshield seems capable of surviving almost anything but an engine block thrown at it. But I realize rules are rules.

Larry Bell

Hey Larry!

I think with stock windows window clips should be sufficient. I will try and look at my book when I get home.

Personally I ran my 4th gen with a stock rear window for 4 years now with NO CLIPS or STRAPS and I was fine. GT-1 may be different.

Randy

Thanks Randy. I guess i can relax about ITE, as I seem to have the bases covered, but to enter GT1 I bet I'll need the inner strips on my lexan windshield. Its the best time to install them while the car is all apart, so I'll just go get some material and figure something out. Same for the rear too.

I did the front lexan a few years ago and have the inner supports. I can dig up some photos tonight.

As for the rear, I am doing the lexan supports AS WE SPEAK, so no pics yet, but I did a 1" by 1/8" aluminum strap top to bottom INSIDE the window with bolts every 6".

[ReEntryRacer]

Pictures of your front straps would certainly help, although I have a 3rd gen with a two-piece custom aluminum panel with all GM stuff removed. I do have a new lexan rear hatch 'glass' but have held off on using it due to the weight shift. I already have a tail-happy tendancy from too much weight on the front wheels, and removing about 80 pounds of rear glass will just make it worse. I'm trying to find a way to get more weight off the front, and then I'll do the rear lexan. Your strips on the inside is a good idea, so I'll steal it when I finally get that done!
When you have time, can you send your pics to ReEntryRacing@shaw.ca ? Did I say I appreciate all this help?? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[rmackintosh]

Here they are. Not too much detail...but all I have. I got the "T" strap at a local hardware store and pop riveted it in top and bottom. The slotting also holds the window/straps up:


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[Blainefab]

Alan,

I can run my engine (almost stock ZZ4) to 6300 too (my limiter is set to 6350)

The cage is ASN Canada FIA legal (1.75" DOM etc.) with a logbook from 2004.

Will my use of expanding foam filler between the outer skin and the factory inner (speaker box?) structural members be considered adequate to block off the rest of the route for fuel/vapors to get forward?

I've never installed front or rear straps yet. Personally, straps on the outside of safety glass makes no sense to me,
Do I need the front inner ones if I enter GT1?

My exhaust (2 1/2 inch) has two simple glass-pack bottles, angled down just forward of the rear bumper, in the space on each side of the cell, with rear exit tailpipes. It seems to be 93-94 db with our noise equipment, so it should pass at Laguna.

www.ReEntryRacing.com which might explain what I'm saying.

Larry Bell

Larry - Sounds like you're in good shape for gearing, cage, sound, and fire control.

I think SCCA will be fine with the foam filler if it fills all the gaps - my concern is the flammability of some of that stuff. I'd suggest chipping off a chunk and lighting it off and see what happens - consider whether it adds or subtracts from the function it's to perform.

Car looks nicely prepped, some nice features in the cage. A couple of comments, not problems with SCCA but things I've learned along the way:

Reroute the big +12V cable inboard of the cage tubes - if you get hit at the A/B pillars the insulation could get cut, and cause a short that can't be fixed with the cutoff switch.

The soft foam padding is going out of style - NASA requires the hi density padding anywhere near the head - recommended.

Cover all +12V terminals with insulating boots

Stickers for cutoff switch, fire system, transponder (AMB required down here)

The windshield clips are there to keep a loosely/poorly installed windshield (both glass and Lexan) in place - highly redundant with the OEM seal, but I use RTV to make them easier to get out - seems to be a yearly thing with a well used car. I'm sure SCCA will want the internal braces as spec'ed for Lexan in front. I doubt that OEM rear glass needs the straps - I can give my local regional tech guy a call and ask him.

Definitely replace those rings ;-)

[ReEntryRacer]

Reroute the big +12V cable inboard of the cage tubes - if you get hit at the A/B pillars the insulation could get cut, and cause a short that can't be fixed with the cutoff switch.

Actually, I've found a way around that problem. I use a 100 amp marine-type fuse right at the battery box (which is now non-conductive). Since the cranking requirement will blow that fuse, I have a relay that activates only when cranking that jumpers the fuse holder, so that during cranking that main line to the master shut off is unprotected, but once the start button is released, it is fuse protected again.

The soft foam padding is going out of style - NASA requires the hi density padding anywhere near the head - recommended.

Yep, ahead of you there too, I have removed all of the old low-density foam, and once the car is being reassembled after the paint job, it will use the new high density strips at required locations.

Cover all +12V terminals with insulating boots

As I said, those pictures are old, and the car has been tweaked for 4 years, so those items were done long ago.

Stickers for cutoff switch, fire system, transponder (AMB required down here)

See above! Although I see the requirement for an AMB sticker has been rescinded.

The windshield clips are there to keep a loosely/poorly installed windshield (both glass and Lexan) in place - highly redundant with the OEM seal, but I use RTV to make them easier to get out - seems to be a yearly thing with a well used car. I'm sure SCCA will want the internal braces as spec'ed for Lexan in front. I doubt that OEM rear glass needs the straps - I can give my local regional tech guy a call and ask him.

I would really rather not put those rear straps on, so it would be great if I could get a ruling of some sort prior to doing so.

Definitely replace those rings ;-)

I really must re-do my website someday. Those pics of the piston/ring failure were from an engine I bought on a handshake that was supposed to be "running fine, just using a bit of oil"! It lasted 2 minutes and that was the result. It didn't even make it past warm-up!

Thanks Again!

[ReEntryRacer]

Well, an update for Randy and Blaine and those who might have interest. I'm just relaxing after the rush with all the details, details, details of re-assembling the car and its first shakedown, a Double Regional here at Rivers Edge Road Course last Friday - Sunday. I entered both GT1 and GTO (very much like ITE) and I was very happy with the engine's new power, new non-power brakes, altered clutch pedal travel, and all the little changes made to ensure SCCA SFR will not chase me home when I show up down there, as I've booked the motel and faxed the race entry over 3 weeks ago. The car was great right out of the shop, with a few changes to the Koni DAs and tire pressures. Our track has recently seen over $100,000 in changes to the layout, and that was a bargain! What used to be a track for light FWD cars has now become an even-handed one with advantages for both brute power and for light weight. The result was that all drivers were learning a new track and there was every line imaginable being tried! The Closed Wheel 1 Group (GT1 and other similar power/wt cars) were putting on a good show during all the practice and quals, but in the first race the first 5 cars of 30 cleared turn 1 and then there was a spectacular 5-wide shmozzle behind them, and I was caught up in it, sliding with all wheels locked up to within 4 inches of another GT1 car that had come 180 degrees and right across the track to meet me head on at about 60 mph. The two of us were the last to get restarted and underway, with 3 cars DNF'd at that time. All was OK with mine, but second from last position was a crappy start to my season. The pace car took us around for 3 laps while the DNFers were removed, then we got a green. So I turned it up a few notches for less than 2 laps and then the 3-year old Centerforce disc let go into my scattershield and my day was done. Pitiful luck, but the car is otherwise intact and I got enough track time during the Friday practices and the Sat. qualifiers to sort out the car reasonably well. Running 6300 RPM versus 6000 previously and about 40 more HP did the old clutch in. A new one goes in tomorrow, and then I'll prep the car for Laguna. I'm really looking forward to meeting some of you down there. See you on the 27th.
Larry

[rmackintosh]

Well, an update for Randy and Blaine and those who might have interest. I'm just relaxing after the rush with all the details, details, details of re-assembling the car and its first shakedown, a Double Regional here at Rivers Edge Road Course last Friday - Sunday. I entered both GT1 and GTO (very much like ITE) and I was very happy with the engine's new power, new non-power brakes, altered clutch pedal travel, and all the little changes made to ensure SCCA SFR will not chase me home when I show up down there, as I've booked the motel and faxed the race entry over 3 weeks ago. The car was great right out of the shop, with a few changes to the Koni DAs and tire pressures. Our track has recently seen over $100,000 in changes to the layout, and that was a bargain! What used to be a track for light FWD cars has now become an even-handed one with advantages for both brute power and for light weight. The result was that all drivers were learning a new track and there was every line imaginable being tried! The Closed Wheel 1 Group (GT1 and other similar power/wt cars) were putting on a good show during all the practice and quals, but in the first race the first 5 cars of 30 cleared turn 1 and then there was a spectacular 5-wide shmozzle behind them, and I was caught up in it, sliding with all wheels locked up to within 4 inches of another GT1 car that had come 180 degrees and right across the track to meet me head on at about 60 mph. The two of us were the last to get restarted and underway, with 3 cars DNF'd at that time. All was OK with mine, but second from last position was a crappy start to my season. The pace car took us around for 3 laps while the DNFers were removed, then we got a green. So I turned it up a few notches for less than 2 laps and then the 3-year old Centerforce disc let go into my scattershield and my day was done. Pitiful luck, but the car is otherwise intact and I got enough track time during the Friday practices and the Sat. qualifiers to sort out the car reasonably well. Running 6300 RPM versus 6000 previously and about 40 more HP did the old clutch in. A new one goes in tomorrow, and then I'll prep the car for Laguna. I'm really looking forward to meeting some of you down there. See you on the 27th.
Larry

Glad you got the car out there....albeit late.....I KNOW ABOUT THAT! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Sounds like we are in similar boats....my QM clutch had "issues" after the pilot bearing backed out of my crank. Did you hit the other GT-1 car? If so, any damage?

Do you have pics of your car?

Hope to see you there!

Randy

[ReEntryRacer]

Glad you got the car out there....albeit late.....I KNOW ABOUT THAT! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
Sounds like we are in similar boats....my QM clutch had "issues" after the pilot bearing backed out of my crank. Did you hit the other GT-1 car? If so, any damage?

Do you have pics of your car?

Hope to see you there!

Randy

No damage to my car at all, as I didn't quite hit him. I'm unable to get any pictures to my website right now, and I'd love to post some on here, but can't see how to get them from my computer to this post. My wife was fooling around with our new HD video camera too, and I 'm working on getting a few clips available of our car and track. For now, the avatar shows a rear shot taken this w/e.

This post has been edited by ReEntryRacer: Jun 3 2008, 07:22 PM

[rmackintosh]

I upload them to

http://www.flickr.com/

for free then post here.

[ReEntryRacer]

I upload them to

http://www.flickr.com/

for free then post here.

OK, I signed up!

Here's one to start.
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[ReEntryRacer]

I'd add more but they won't load. I get a message about "not allowing dynamic pages in the [IMG] tags" ??


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This post has been edited by ReEntryRacer: Jun 4 2008, 01:53 AM

[rmackintosh]

Looks SWEET!

Is it a new paintjob?

Can't wait to run Laguna.....even though the last time I got CREAMED there.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

[ReEntryRacer]

Looks SWEET!

Is it a new paintjob?

Can't wait to run Laguna.....even though the last time I got CREAMED there.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Yep, a new scheme for this year. It was plain silver since I built it in 2004. If you were ever a Valvoline guy you might recognize the colors from Brian Simo's TransAm Cobra GT in '99. I don't have any use for brand F but I always thought I'd use the paint scheme if I got a chance. The light blue and the red splashes are 3M vinyl. That way when the corners get creamed, I just use PPG white or dark blue as touch up. If the doors get whacked, the vinyl will be the least of my worries... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) The number Colleen at SCCA assigned me today is 71, so the CACC numbers will be coming off as well as the GTO will change to ITE of course.

I really want to try L.S. so I've put a lot of money and effort into the trip down for the Double Regional. A promise to my wife to only do this trip once is still pending...

[ReEntryRacer]

(IMG:http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/2550128708_a69e886341.jpg)
(IMG:http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3062/2549303503_1137a7655b_m.jpg) This is the original scheme.

[rmackintosh]

Looks SWEET!

Is it a new paintjob?

Can't wait to run Laguna.....even though the last time I got CREAMED there.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Yep, a new scheme for this year. It was plain silver since I built it in 2004. If you were ever a Valvoline guy you might recognize the colors from Brian Simo's TransAm Cobra GT in '99. I don't have any use for brand F but I always thought I'd use the paint scheme if I got a chance. The light blue and the red splashes are 3M vinyl. That way when the corners get creamed, I just use PPG white or dark blue as touch up. If the doors get whacked, the vinyl will be the least of my worries... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) The number Colleen at SCCA assigned me today is 71, so the CACC numbers will be coming off as well as the GTO will change to ITE of course.

I really want to try L.S. so I've put a lot of money and effort into the trip down for the Double Regional. A promise to my wife to only do this trip once is still pending...

Looks really good....you paint it yourself? I did all my work....even though I HATE bodywork and paint!

Reminds me I better enter so I get my number.....Colleen is a cool person....hit her up for all your questions!

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[CMC #37]

Colleen's my bud and I am not an SCCA member even! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[rmackintosh]

Colleen's my bud and I am not an SCCA member even! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

....just think how sweet she would be IF you were an SCCA member!
(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[ReEntryRacer]

Looks SWEET!

Is it a new paintjob?

Can't wait to run Laguna.....even though the last time I got CREAMED there.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Yep, a new scheme for this year. It was plain silver since I built it in 2004. If you were ever a Valvoline guy you might recognize the colors from Brian Simo's TransAm Cobra GT in '99. I don't have any use for brand F but I always thought I'd use the paint scheme if I got a chance. The light blue and the red splashes are 3M vinyl. That way when the corners get creamed, I just use PPG white or dark blue as touch up. If the doors get whacked, the vinyl will be the least of my worries... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) The number Colleen at SCCA assigned me today is 71, so the CACC numbers will be coming off as well as the GTO will change to ITE of course.

I really want to try L.S. so I've put a lot of money and effort into the trip down for the Double Regional. A promise to my wife to only do this trip once is still pending...

Looks really good....you paint it yourself? I did all my work....even though I HATE bodywork and paint!

Reminds me I better enter so I get my number.....Colleen is a cool person....hit her up for all your questions!

(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

Yes, when I originally built the car I did everything myself too, but I got lazy with this paint job. The shop's job was a bit better than my backyard/barn job!
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[rmackintosh]

HOLY SMOKES!

I am jealous!!!!!

...makes my Krylon rattle can interior pale in comparison..... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

[ReEntryRacer]

Well, I'm starting to pack the trailer for the long haul (1050 miles) South. The confirmation email came today from SCCA, so it makes me feel better to know I'm entered and the number that I put on the car (71) is the one I will be using for both classes. I do wonder about some things though. Can anyone tell me what the policy is on in-car radio frequencies? I printed out the track and nearby city freqs so I won't walk on any local stations. Who will care whether I use my radios or not? Do I have to register my frequencies with SCCA or the track? Another issue is arrival, I hope to be there as the paddock opens at 5:30 Thursday PM, but do I expect to join a really long line up that steep hill? I do have 4WD low range, but it won't be much fun crawling up there in a long line-up. Can I drive to the trailer in the morning with my tow vehicle and park there, or do they make you park outside and walk to your pit? Just newbie questions... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

[Blainefab]

Another issue is arrival, I hope to be there as the paddock opens at 5:30 Thursday PM, but do I expect to join a really long line up that steep hill? I do have 4WD low range, but it won't be much fun crawling up there in a long line-up. Can I drive to the trailer in the morning with my tow vehicle and park there, or do they make you park outside and walk to your pit? Just newbie questions... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Randy can confirm, but what they did a couple of years ago was let everybody in the front gate Thurs afternoon, and queue us up in a big spiral in the lot inside T5, left just over the bridge. Then at 5pm they released the queue - first in first out - into the paddock. It worked well, the paddock filled slowly, and Laguna lines rows so it's pretty well organized.

They used to make a big deal of getting the open trailers out of the paddock and up onto the hill after unloading. If you have a 50' stacker with awning and a motorhome that's OK, tho.

It's normal to reserve your truck spot at the car - the pit spots are deep, so I always parked the truck in front of the car, and coned the spot off if I left. Get there early and there won't be any problem with civvies clogging up your space - they usually show up mid day.

The supps might have some useful info, should have gotten them with your entry confirmation.

You're in a 90dB sound window Fri AM, might want to sit out, or just putt around, the first couple of laps. 101dB starts at 9AM.

I'm gonna try to get down there and say hi, and watch Fri qualifying.

[rmackintosh]

Another issue is arrival, I hope to be there as the paddock opens at 5:30 Thursday PM, but do I expect to join a really long line up that steep hill? I do have 4WD low range, but it won't be much fun crawling up there in a long line-up. Can I drive to the trailer in the morning with my tow vehicle and park there, or do they make you park outside and walk to your pit? Just newbie questions... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Randy can confirm, but what they did a couple of years ago was let everybody in the front gate Thurs afternoon, and queue us up in a big spiral in the lot inside T5, left just over the bridge. Then at 5pm they released the queue - first in first out - into the paddock. It worked well, the paddock filled slowly, and Laguna lines rows so it's pretty well organized.

They used to make a big deal of getting the open trailers out of the paddock and up onto the hill after unloading. If you have a 50' stacker with awning and a motorhome that's OK, tho.

It's normal to reserve your truck spot at the car - the pit spots are deep, so I always parked the truck in front of the car, and coned the spot off if I left. Get there early and there won't be any problem with civvies clogging up your space - they usually show up mid day.

The supps might have some useful info, should have gotten them with your entry confirmation.

You're in a 90dB sound window Fri AM, might want to sit out, or just putt around, the first couple of laps. 101dB starts at 9AM.

I'm gonna try to get down there and say hi, and watch Fri qualifying.

Alan's got it down....however, they typically queue us up near the OUTSIDE of turn 5. Basically come in the gates, drive up the hill and about 100 feet after the ranger shack go SLIGHTLY left....more like a straight, but you jog around a tree there, and wait. You can get there anytime on Thursday.....SCCA folks get there early.

I did hear that the motorcycle races the weekend after ours means the pits might be tight....they installed a bunch of temporary grand stands everywhere.

As for the sound window...at 9am the window opens up, so we should only have 5 minutes of 90db....if they are late just a bit....maybe no 90db!

See ya there!

This post has been edited by rmackintosh: Jun 19 2008, 06:19 AM

[ReEntryRacer]

I have to thank you two for calming my fears about my venture down there! Its tough enough getting it all together for a local race, but this trip is a whole new ballgame and your guidance is priceless. I'll make sure we keep cold drinks ready for you all weekend! Neither of you mentioned radios, so can I assume there are no regulations on their use, (or maybe you don't use them)?
I did not get the SupRegs with my confirmation email so I sent a reply asking for them. No response yet.

[ReEntryRacer]

Hmmm... I see there are only 4 GT1 cars as of now (including me). I expected to see lots of those high-buck bullets using me as a moving chicane. Is everyone going to ITE instead these days?

[rmackintosh]

I have to thank you two for calming my fears about my venture down there! Its tough enough getting it all together for a local race, but this trip is a whole new ballgame and your guidance is priceless. I'll make sure we keep cold drinks ready for you all weekend! Neither of you mentioned radios, so can I assume there are no regulations on their use, (or maybe you don't use them)?
I did not get the SupRegs with my confirmation email so I sent a reply asking for them. No response yet.

Sorry......forgot about the radios. I, and everybody else just uses them as they are. Countless guys have them and no need to check in with the SCCA. I have heard once a guy was asked not to use his because he was on a emergency channel, but only once. You should be OK.
(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

[rmackintosh]

Hmmm... I see there are only 4 GT1 cars as of now (including me). I expected to see lots of those high-buck bullets using me as a moving chicane. Is everyone going to ITE instead these days?

GT1 has been lightly attended here for quite a few years. There will likely be a lot of big cars to run with...SP, GTA and the like....just the big cars seem to be a bit too pricey or something.....

One thing we DO HAVE A LOT OF is Miatas......YIKES (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) .....you will need to practice AVOIDING them in the Group 1 race.....they are quite aggressive, and don't move over for nobody....you gotta take 'em strong! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)

[Blainefab]

One thing we DO HAVE A LOT OF is Miatas......YIKES (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) .....you will need to practice AVOIDING them in the Group 1 race.....they are quite aggressive, and don't move over for nobody....you gotta take 'em strong! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)

My last year racing was the first year SM had its own run group, I saw the beginning of the phaseout of RX-7s in favor of the Miata as budget racer. You won't outbrake a good SM, so set up for a good drive out and get them on exit. In group1 you'll start lapping the backmarkers in a couple of laps - hopefully by midseason the new batch of rookies have it figured out, but they are usually more focused on other SMs than a fast car that's closing quickly. Watch out for a line of them spreading out 2-3 wide abruptly as you approach.

[ReEntryRacer]

One thing we DO HAVE A LOT OF is Miatas......YIKES (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) .....you will need to practice AVOIDING them in the Group 1 race.....they are quite aggressive, and don't move over for nobody....you gotta take 'em strong! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)

My last year racing was the first year SM had its own run group, I saw the beginning of the phaseout of RX-7s in favor of the Miata as budget racer. You won't outbrake a good SM, so set up for a good drive out and get them on exit. In group1 you'll start lapping the backmarkers in a couple of laps - hopefully by midseason the new batch of rookies have it figured out, but they are usually more focused on other SMs than a fast car that's closing quickly. Watch out for a line of them spreading out 2-3 wide abruptly as you approach.

Watch out for a line of them spreading out 2-3 wide abruptly as you approach. YIKES!! Now I just can't get that thought out of my head of taking out a whole gaggle of those little buggers all at once! Don't talk like that around my wife when we meet, PLEASE! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)

[rmackintosh]

One thing we DO HAVE A LOT OF is Miatas......YIKES (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) .....you will need to practice AVOIDING them in the Group 1 race.....they are quite aggressive, and don't move over for nobody....you gotta take 'em strong! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)

My last year racing was the first year SM had its own run group, I saw the beginning of the phaseout of RX-7s in favor of the Miata as budget racer. You won't outbrake a good SM, so set up for a good drive out and get them on exit. In group1 you'll start lapping the backmarkers in a couple of laps - hopefully by midseason the new batch of rookies have it figured out, but they are usually more focused on other SMs than a fast car that's closing quickly. Watch out for a line of them spreading out 2-3 wide abruptly as you approach.

Watch out for a line of them spreading out 2-3 wide abruptly as you approach. YIKES!! Now I just can't get that thought out of my head of taking out a whole gaggle of those little buggers all at once! Don't talk like that around my wife when we meet, PLEASE! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)

It is true...Miatas running for position 20-30 IN THERE OWN CLASS will be running like they were on the last lap of the 24 Hours of LeMans and it was all on the line! It is a point of "pride" with them that they can find a "race" anywhere in the field...no matter what your "skill" level may be. So just be VERY cautious/aware around them. They will think NOTHING of running 3 wide up the straight and make you either A. wait or B. make a risky move at times.

I am not trying to scare you (and I will not discuss this with your wife....trust me I know this feeling) but I think you would be better served to get the heads up. If you drive a clean/heads up race you will be fine. I am just trying to prevent you from getting in a session and having a "WTF IS THAT IDIOT DOING" moment and putting the car in the wall in session number one (Miatas drive like crazed fools on the out lap of the first session of the weekend--couldn't tell ya how many I see get balled up on the test day BEFORE the weekend!). Sorta like warning you about the sound thing there....hate to have you tow all that way and have a problem right off. Keep your head and you will have a blast! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

[ReEntryRacer]

One thing we DO HAVE A LOT OF is Miatas......YIKES (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) .....you will need to practice AVOIDING them in the Group 1 race.....they are quite aggressive, and don't move over for nobody....you gotta take 'em strong! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)

My last year racing was the first year SM had its own run group, I saw the beginning of the phaseout of RX-7s in favor of the Miata as budget racer. You won't outbrake a good SM, so set up for a good drive out and get them on exit. In group1 you'll start lapping the backmarkers in a couple of laps - hopefully by midseason the new batch of rookies have it figured out, but they are usually more focused on other SMs than a fast car that's closing quickly. Watch out for a line of them spreading out 2-3 wide abruptly as you approach.

Watch out for a line of them spreading out 2-3 wide abruptly as you approach. YIKES!! Now I just can't get that thought out of my head of taking out a whole gaggle of those little buggers all at once! Don't talk like that around my wife when we meet, PLEASE! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)

It is true...Miatas running for position 20-30 IN THERE OWN CLASS will be running like they were on the last lap of the 24 Hours of LeMans and it was all on the line! It is a point of "pride" with them that they can find a "race" anywhere in the field...no matter what your "skill" level may be. So just be VERY cautious/aware around them. They will think NOTHING of running 3 wide up the straight and make you either A. wait or B. make a risky move at times.

I am not trying to scare you (and I will not discuss this with your wife....trust me I know this feeling) but I think you would be better served to get the heads up. If you drive a clean/heads up race you will be fine. I am just trying to prevent you from getting in a session and having a "WTF IS THAT IDIOT DOING" moment and putting the car in the wall in session number one (Miatas drive like crazed fools on the out lap of the first session of the weekend--couldn't tell ya how many I see get balled up on the test day BEFORE the weekend!). Sorta like warning you about the sound thing there....hate to have you tow all that way and have a problem right off. Keep your head and you will have a blast! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

Up here, blocking of faster cars is a black flag issue, and nobody wins a race while parked. Don't these guys get told to respect the blue flag? Or do the Stewards not bother to enforce the rules? Seems a little like anarchy has taken over down there!

[rmackintosh]

It is "the Power of the Miata" down here. The region sports 80 car Miata fields! They can double and even TRIPLE enter the cars if different groups and many do.....therefore the region caters to them VERY, VERY much. Big money makers for the region they are...and after all it is a club, and if the majority want to race Sorority Girl cars....so be it!

That being said, I don't know so much as it is a black flag issue or not....it is a judgement call....if you come up on a pack of Miatas and they are stupid enough to race 3 wide....all the while not realizing they are knocking 3-4 seconds a lap off their times by being idiots...is that a flagging offense? Probably not. They have a "right" to their race too, most "old school" racers would be courteous and race sanely and move over to allow much faster cars by, it is just funny but the entire field of Miata drivers missed this day in the training of a good race car driver and drive like THEY are the ones that must be watched out for. If you watch the races of just SM cars, talk to the drivers, and even see them in our group it really is a group mentality....dunno what to say.

They do, for the most part, obey the passing flag. At least when they are alone. In a group....it is anyones guess....they can be unpredictable. It is just the way they are...it is really weird. I don't know what to say other than they are a culture of drivers who got into the sport because the racing is "cheap" and most don't seem to have a racing background in their blood like "old school" racers. They seem to be guys who "always thought racing a car would be cool" but never thought about it until an inexpensive option for them to do it came up....they haven't spent their formative years learning the sport...it just seems that way.....JMHO

Anyway, don't worry about them! Just be aware of them and keep your head on straight and you will be fine! HAVE SOME BIG FUN! Laguna is one of a kind!!!!!!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

[ReEntryRacer]

It is "the Power of the Miata" down here. The region sports 80 car Miata fields! They can double and even TRIPLE enter the cars if different groups and many do.....therefore the region caters to them VERY, VERY much. Big money makers for the region they are...and after all it is a club, and if the majority want to race Sorority Girl cars....so be it!

That being said, I don't know so much as it is a black flag issue or not....it is a judgement call....if you come up on a pack of Miatas and they are stupid enough to race 3 wide....all the while not realizing they are knocking 3-4 seconds a lap off their times by being idiots...is that a flagging offense? Probably not. They have a "right" to their race too, most "old school" racers would be courteous and race sanely and move over to allow much faster cars by, it is just funny but the entire field of Miata drivers missed this day in the training of a good race car driver and drive like THEY are the ones that must be watched out for. If you watch the races of just SM cars, talk to the drivers, and even see them in our group it really is a group mentality....dunno what to say.

They do, for the most part, obey the passing flag. At least when they are alone. In a group....it is anyones guess....they can be unpredictable. It is just the way they are...it is really weird. I don't know what to say other than they are a culture of drivers who got into the sport because the racing is "cheap" and most don't seem to have a racing background in their blood like "old school" racers. They seem to be guys who "always thought racing a car would be cool" but never thought about it until an inexpensive option for them to do it came up....they haven't spent their formative years learning the sport...it just seems that way.....JMHO

Anyway, don't worry about them! Just be aware of them and keep your head on straight and you will be fine! HAVE SOME BIG FUN! Laguna is one of a kind!!!!!!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

Thanks for the thoughtful reply Randy. I hope we can find each other on Friday. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
Larry

[rmackintosh]

It is "the Power of the Miata" down here. The region sports 80 car Miata fields! They can double and even TRIPLE enter the cars if different groups and many do.....therefore the region caters to them VERY, VERY much. Big money makers for the region they are...and after all it is a club, and if the majority want to race Sorority Girl cars....so be it!

That being said, I don't know so much as it is a black flag issue or not....it is a judgement call....if you come up on a pack of Miatas and they are stupid enough to race 3 wide....all the while not realizing they are knocking 3-4 seconds a lap off their times by being idiots...is that a flagging offense? Probably not. They have a "right" to their race too, most "old school" racers would be courteous and race sanely and move over to allow much faster cars by, it is just funny but the entire field of Miata drivers missed this day in the training of a good race car driver and drive like THEY are the ones that must be watched out for. If you watch the races of just SM cars, talk to the drivers, and even see them in our group it really is a group mentality....dunno what to say.

They do, for the most part, obey the passing flag. At least when they are alone. In a group....it is anyones guess....they can be unpredictable. It is just the way they are...it is really weird. I don't know what to say other than they are a culture of drivers who got into the sport because the racing is "cheap" and most don't seem to have a racing background in their blood like "old school" racers. They seem to be guys who "always thought racing a car would be cool" but never thought about it until an inexpensive option for them to do it came up....they haven't spent their formative years learning the sport...it just seems that way.....JMHO

Anyway, don't worry about them! Just be aware of them and keep your head on straight and you will be fine! HAVE SOME BIG FUN! Laguna is one of a kind!!!!!!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

Thanks for the thoughtful reply Randy. I hope we can find each other on Friday. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
Larry

My wife just told me I am relieved of kid duty in the afternoon on Thursday....therefore I should be down there by late morning/early afternoon. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/drink.gif) We should be able to hook up while waiting in line Thursday. I have a white crew cab Chevy Duramax truck and towing a triple axle TPD enclosed trailer....either right in front of me or right behind me in line should be my dad's big 38" Brown with Maroon stripes Monaco Windsor Diesel Pusher motorhome. If you don't see me in line, I try to pit VERY close to the entry gate of the paddock....usually right against the fence in turn 4 so we can watch the races between sessions. I hear that is occupied by temporary bleachers now, so we may not be against the fence but close most likely....

[ReEntryRacer]

My wife just told me I am relieved of kid duty in the afternoon on Thursday....therefore I should be down there by late morning/early afternoon. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/drink.gif) We should be able to hook up while waiting in line Thursday. I have a white crew cab Chevy Duramax truck and towing a triple axle TPD enclosed trailer....either right in front of me or right behind me in line should be my dad's big 38" Brown with Maroon stripes Monaco Windsor Diesel Pusher motorhome. If you don't see me in line, I try to pit VERY close to the entry gate of the paddock....usually right against the fence in turn 4 so we can watch the races between sessions. I hear that is occupied by temporary bleachers now, so we may not be against the fence but close most likely....

We'll have our dark blue Avalanche and a 20' grey Haulmark, with BC plates of course. I'm still not certain of our arrival time Thursday, too many variables when traveling with 2 women! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif) I hope to be there in mid afternoon, but who knows? If all else fails, I'll have my cel phone of course. See PM. We're staying at the Quality Inn in Monterey, but I assume you're staying at the track. I hope the weather remains cool, as I've been watching the very high temps in LA. I removed my oil cooler today because it would be illegal as it was mounted inside in the passenger footwell, with a scoop and duct that SCCA would fail me for. I have been running 1-hour mini-enduro races for the last 3 years and it worked great. Half-hour races shouldn't be a big deal as long as the weekend temps are reasonable.

This post has been edited by ReEntryRacer: Jun 24 2008, 07:26 AM

[rmackintosh]

OK. We will likely be close in line then. I will keep an eye out.

Yes, we stay at the track in the motorhome.

The temps I am LOOKING FORWARD TO!!!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) It has been as hot as 107 at my house this week! I have been living in the pool! I HATE HEAT! We went to the ocean at Santa Cruz yesterday and it was 100 degrees there.....AND RAINING!!! WTF???? This is not Hawaii is it? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) Supposed to be in the 90's at my house all week this week....sigh....but MID 60's in Monterey for the race weekend! Will be VERY NICE.....will seem like AC to me!

Should be perfect weather for Laguna!

My cell is in a PM to you now.... but seems to be crapping out lately, so it may, or may not work. I need a new phone.

See you there!

This post has been edited by rmackintosh: Jun 22 2008, 07:48 PM

[slowcamaro]

I'm SO spamming both of those phone numbers....

[Blainefab]

Up here, blocking of faster cars is a black flag issue, and nobody wins a race while parked. Don't these guys get told to respect the blue flag? Or do the Stewards not bother to enforce the rules? Seems a little like anarchy has taken over down there!

Blue flag is advisory. It's the responsibility of the overtaking car to make a safe pass. Not trying to be an alarmist, it's just a reality with the SM's mixed into Group 1. It's also true that it's in the best interest of a SM driver to not get parked on by a Camaro.

Mebbe make a up a big windshield banner: !SEKARB YTTIHS

[rmackintosh]

Mebbe make a up a big windshield banner: !SEKARB YTTIHS

...perfect!....
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[ReEntryRacer]

Well, thanks again you two. The trailer is packed, the trusty Chevy is gassed and ready to go. We're getting some shut eye for a few hours, then leaving at first light to avoid the line up at the border crossing that builds up quickly these days. See you on Thursday! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[ReEntryRacer]

That's half the battle! We arrived in Monterey an hour ago without incident (not counting that WA state trooper on his Harley...) and I'll be able to join that line up at the track entrance after lunch tomorrow. I'm happy with the very cool weather, especially after two days at 90 degrees plus getting down here! Randy, if you see this, I'll watch for you and see if we can set up camp nearby. Now, just to get that tech sticker... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[ReEntryRacer]

Things went about as I had hoped and expected at Tech, with my car's Canadian CACC Annual being accepted at face value. Then things started to get interesting.
I suited up for the first Group 1 ITE practice session on Friday morning and prepared to learn as much as I could by finding someone with a similar car and abilities, and was fortunate to find a 4th gen Camaro to follow, driven by Gary Hascall of Fresno who seemed to know his way around the track, which was very handy for me as I had no clue! It didn't help that there were 45 cars registered, in all, out there!

I just wanted to play tag but we were black-flagged after about 3 laps, and I retired without much track time in my first session because I was scrubbing in a set of new front tires and figured they were hot enough and pulled in to remove them. Then my crewchief/daughter informs me that we have an oil drip under the car...location not known yet. I have had problems with the dipstick weeping if the level is a bit too high, so we cleaned everything up and prepared for the Group 3 GT1 practice. Only 26 cars here, but most are missiles going by me at warp factor 5 or so... a little unnerving but expected. I finish the practice with 10 laps and some learning taking place, as my lap times are getting better by a few seconds, but still the slowest of the group. As I exit I get called into Tech for oil smoke visible on certain corners. A small seep has now turned into a constant drool, spraying oil all over the accessory area and driver's side inner fender.

We can't go out for the Group 1 ITE qualifier with a leak, so we clean it all off and add a cloth cuff around the PS reservior lid, and try to get it to leak while we watch with the hood off. It won't do anything! Dry as a bone, so we're ready to try it again. Out I go, 8 laps and I'm satisfied with my improvement as I'm 7 seconds faster than the earlier sessions, and I'm on my good tires, and I'm starting to get comfortable with the track. Still sucks to be the slowest in class, even if I am the newbie... BUT, we again get cited for smoke at cetain corners of the track. This is getting old now...

The best bet is the power steering gear, as the worst oil spillage was around the top where the pressure line enters the case, and the level was down a bit. I borrow an 18mm wrench from Randy Mackintosh's dad, Doug, and find only the remnents of an O ring on that fitting. A trip to a recommended speed shop in Salinas results in a replacement that looks like it will fit. Back to the track, install and tighten, and we clean everything up again and test it as best we can, all looks good! The Friday afternoon Group 3 GT1 qualifier was next, and I just looked at that session as a chance to learn some lines, as I was going to be creamed by the real GT1 cars in any event. I played with different lines and braking points, all of which were just slowing me down. Oh well, nothing ventured...

Oil drooling again! We've eliminated 3 possible causes, and its getting worse! I'm prepared to change the steering box as it might be cracked, as it still appears to be pouring out of the area around the pressure fitting that we are sure is OK, as we have now visited the Salinas auto mall and have the correct GM P/N O rings for that pipe, courtesy of the Cadillac/Honda dealer, as the Chevy dealer's parts dept. was closed. The next morning the Group 1 ITE race was a frustrating challenge, with all those cars, and being passed by cars that I should be able to leave behind, IF I only knew the track better. I was smelling smoke from the first lap and was watching for a black flag with my number each time past the starter stand. A call to my CC/daughter to confirm the race was at least half time, and I pulled off the track to head back to the paddock with smoke eminating from all over the place! I'm not a happy guy at this point.

We call Alan Blaine in Santa Cruz to see if we can get a new steering gear, but as it turned out, he was at Sears Point for the weekend. I call a couple of wrecking yards near Salinas and prepare to hunt for what I need. Then as I make a final attempt to find the source of this disastrous leak, I take the serpentine belt off the pump, and find the pulley all but falling off with the bearing absolutely shot, along with the seal of course! It had been spraying out from behind the pulley onto the top of the steering box, which is right in line with the pressure line fitting, fooling us the whole time.

Its late Saturday afternoon by now, and a replacement pump is the ticket. Calls to the wreckers North and South on Highway 101 and they think they have the correct version, if I just want to come and find it myself... Into the truck, back towards Salinas while I wonder if we can find something closer and sooner. I'll need the tools to remove and install the pulley as well. I drive past the speed shop we visited the day before, only to find the lights out and the door locked . A desperate bang on the door is met with a friendly smile from the owner Joe Williams and a welcome into the closed Dotseth Speed Shop. He quickly provides the tools we need and also pulls a pump from his shelf that appears to be rebuilt and looks right. Joe makes me a deal I can't refuse, and off we go back down Route 68, which we are getting very familiar with by now.

I work till way too late getting the pump installed because the #%#& thing is not metric, as the original was. Randy and Doug have allowed me to rifle through their supplies while they are away in town, and I find the correct SAE bolts to mount it with, but the two rear bolt/stud threads are still a problem. I gingerly force the first one in succesfully with my impact wrench, and then try the second... with it snapping off clean at the case! A quick fit of temper and blue air, then a mix of JB Weld to seal any possible leak from the reservior. The pump gets filled and tested with a drive around the paddock at 9:30 PM which I'm sure was annoying someone, then the fluids are chacked and the hood goes on. We get to eat if we can find something open in Monterey. We like r.g Burgers now. It really does stand for Really Good, and they are.
I sleep well, thinking how much fun it will be to race the next day without worrying about the damn oil leaking from the power steering.

We roll in to Laguna the next morning with a few minutes to spare, confident that I'll finally be able to enter and finish a race, but first comes the Group 1 ITE Qualifier. I head out and pound around for 4 laps, finally not the slowest car in my class, and with a dozen cars or so behind me in the group when the race line-up is printed. That's better!

My first race on this last day would be Group 3 GT1, and we get an additional race scheduled later in the day as well. I know I can't possibly end up anywhere but last in GT1, but I'm no longer the slowest car in the group, so there will be someone to race with, despite the fact that I failed to qualify the previous day due to the repair sessions. I'm looking forward to this! We wander down to buy some souveniers at the big tent, sure that we have all in readiness. Once my wallet was empty, we wandered back up to the car to get raedy for the race, only to find that my out time was misread (no names here!) by the crew, and the race would start in 4 minutes! I smoked through the clothing change and all the pre-race stuff, a quick radio check and blast off to pre-grid, to find it EMPTY! I hoped it wasn't as bad as it looked, and maybe I was going out on the pace lap... but no such luck! I later found that I was 4 laps down. I was all alone on the track for a while, then the missiles started going past me, with some of them ending in the gravel with huge clouds of dust. I gave it my best shot and had a good time, while staying on the hard stuff and trying to make way for the local hot shoes who occasionally needed the part of the track I was on. I got 10 laps in, with the winner doing 15, which means he should have lapped me only once if I had been out there at the start as I should have been. The car was finally working well, with no distractions (like oil smoke) and it was a good feeling to have that much fun.

They weighed me and held the class for quite some time due to various issues, including 2 cars passing me on a standing yellow. Once finally released, I drove back to the paddock space ready for the next race. But that's where this long tale ends...as I was parking the Trans Am, the power steering simply stopped working! I was stunned! The hood came off, and for once there was no oil anywhere. I removed the drive belt, and spun the pulley: no connection to the pump rotor whatsoever! The so-called rebuilt pump had sheared the drive and that meant I was now officially at the end of my adventure to Laguna Seca. After winning my class at every one-hour race this car started (14 total) in the last 2 years at my home track, a system I had thought bulletproof had done me in. Murphy is alive and well. The long 14 hour tow back to BC gave me time to consider if it was all worth the effort, time and money. I have to say the best parts of the trip were not related directly to the on-track sessions, but to the nice people we met everywhere we stopped, especially the Mackintosh family. Will I do it again? I'll wait for the fuel and hotel bills to arrive before I'll say for sure, but I want to.

Thanks again to all who helped this old, fat, slow amateur have an experience of a lifetime! I'll post some pics later perhaps.
Larry Bell

[z28tt]

Larry - Thanks for sharing! I've been there with the leaks. One took two years to find - turns out it was a pourous weld on the aftermarket oilpan's dipstick bung. JB Weld to the rescue... Very frustrating to tow 1300 miles, only to spend the whole "vacation" wrenching (like there isn't any in the thrash preceding the event!)

A.

[rmackintosh]

Laguna can be a cold hearted mistress I can tell you THAT from experience! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I just feel bad for Larry and family that they had to experience that in such an intense way! The racing Gods can be cruel, and it REALLY sucks when they decide to come down on you so hard....at the same time! You would think that with the luck he had at the speed shop right in town, his luck would have been golden.....not to be unfortunately.

Larry, I feel so bad for you guys that you struggled with a "bulletproof" part of the car the whole weekend. I have been there trust me....sometimes trouble comes from the most UNLIKELY of sources.

I hope you had SOME fun, and get the chance to come down and have a FUN filled weekend someday! You deserve it!

Randy