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 Sep 12 2008, 11:25 PM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks  Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4  |
... Miller Motorsports Park
http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/ Was talking with Glenn and he said it was just announced. |
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Sep 13 2008, 12:58 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 813 Joined: 21-January 04 From: Santa Barbara, CA Member No.: 141 |
Sweet! That's much better for us from a towing standpoint. And supposed to be a fun track.
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Sep 13 2008, 01:14 AM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
It's still out of reach for many of us, but it's good they are moving the venue around.
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Sep 13 2008, 01:41 AM
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Grumpy Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,722 Joined: 1-January 04 From: Bakersfield CA Member No.: 81 |
This is great news! I have missed the first 3yrs of Nat's mainly do to its location.
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Sep 13 2008, 03:14 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 238 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Corpus Christi, Texas Member No.: 219 |
At least that might be a more interesting drive from south Texas.
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Sep 19 2008, 05:38 PM
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CMCer Group: Moderators Posts: 2,932 Joined: 12-February 04 From: the sticks near VIR Member No.: 194 |
The bro-in-law pit crew and I are planning to go unless the IRS has other plans for me! It is a 650 mile tow vs. 4800 we did to Ohio, ahhh! Can't wait to drive this "fast" track. F-bods were made for this!!!
There will be the largest CMC/CMC2 field yet at this event! I am glad NASA listened to its members and decided to rotate this thing around so folks on the other ends of the nation as well as the middle can participate.
Reason for edit: had another thought!
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Sep 19 2008, 06:11 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 689 Joined: 8-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 1,201 |
What saddens me a bit is that the east coast folks looking into organizing a east coast championship, which will draw folks away from the Real championship. I think it is bad form, not to even try to attempt to make it to Utah. Us west coast folks made the effort to go to the east. In the spirit of sportsmanship I would expect them to do the same, vs. saying "will put up our own show".
But than again what I found "weird" is that there were not more east coast folks at Ohio. If it were me and the big show came to my neck of the woods, I would definatley sign up. Even if I was not a top runner. Oh wait I did do that in 2007, even though it was all the way across the country, not my back yard. I'll be there in '09, bringing up the rear in AI. (Hopefully) This post has been edited by roadracetransam: Sep 19 2008, 06:12 PM |
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Sep 19 2008, 07:08 PM
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CMCer Group: Moderators Posts: 2,932 Joined: 12-February 04 From: the sticks near VIR Member No.: 194 |
QUOTE (roadracetransam @ Sep 19 2008, 01:11 PM)  What saddens me a bit is that the east coast folks looking into organizing a east coast championship, which will draw folks away from the Real championship. I think it is bad form, not to even try to attempt to make it to Utah. Us west coast folks made the effort to go to the east. In the spirit of sportsmanship I would expect them to do the same, vs. saying "will put up our own show". But than again what I found "weird" is that there were not more east coast folks at Ohio. If it were me and the big show came to my neck of the woods, I would definatley sign up. Even if I was not a top runner. Oh wait I did do that in 2007, even though it was all the way across the country, not my back yard. I'll be there in '09, bringing up the rear in AI. (Hopefully) I agree with your thoughts Scott. I do not think NASA would sanctify a separate "Nationals" so I believe they are talking about their own event. I'll ask Jerry about this. |
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Sep 19 2008, 09:00 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 689 Joined: 8-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 1,201 |
QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Sep 19 2008, 12:08 PM) QUOTE (roadracetransam @ Sep 19 2008, 01:11 PM) What saddens me a bit is that the east coast folks looking into organizing a east coast championship, which will draw folks away from the Real championship. I think it is bad form, not to even try to attempt to make it to Utah. Us west coast folks made the effort to go to the east. In the spirit of sportsmanship I would expect them to do the same, vs. saying "will put up our own show". But than again what I found "weird" is that there were not more east coast folks at Ohio. If it were me and the big show came to my neck of the woods, I would definatley sign up. Even if I was not a top runner. Oh wait I did do that in 2007, even though it was all the way across the country, not my back yard. I'll be there in '09, bringing up the rear in AI. (Hopefully) I agree with your thoughts Scott. I do not think NASA would sanctify a separate "Nationals" so I believe they are talking about their own event. I'll ask Jerry about this. It is on their own, using the NASA events as the venue, multiple events, traveling road show. I forgot where I read about it... |
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Sep 19 2008, 09:09 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Member Posts: 2,688 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Ft Worth, TX Member No.: 8 |
i find that to be in bad taste too. i would be even more saddened if those class's are allowed to hand out National Champ awards at those events.
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Sep 19 2008, 09:15 PM
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CMCer Group: Moderators Posts: 2,932 Joined: 12-February 04 From: the sticks near VIR Member No.: 194 |
QUOTE (GlennCMC70 @ Sep 19 2008, 04:09 PM) i find that to be in bad taste too. i would be even more saddened if those class's are allowed to hand out National Champ awards at those events. I don't see that happening. |
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Sep 20 2008, 10:29 PM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
Guys, what is happening in NASA? I do not follow it much, but I was under the impression that car counts were growing, the national championships were also growing, and the club was well on its way to running other clubs out the door by showing them how it is done and catering to all the needs of the local/amateur racer......
Then I see 7 car fields in the championships???? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) And now this seemingly discordance. Is there a problem developing? We used to see a bunch of NASA guys run SCCA events now and then, but I haven't seen one in a while. Well, that is until the monster new Griggs car came out this past weekend and bested all of our times by like 5 seconds a lap: MONSTER MUSTANG He said he was going to run SCCA full time because of nobody to run with in NASA.... Trouble in paradise???? This post has been edited by rmackintosh: Sep 20 2008, 10:30 PM |
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Sep 21 2008, 05:28 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 205 Joined: 23-December 06 Member No.: 1,551 |
QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Sep 20 2008, 04:29 PM) Guys, what is happening in NASA? I do not follow it much, but I was under the impression that car counts were growing, the national championships were also growing, and the club was well on its way to running other clubs out the door by showing them how it is done and catering to all the needs of the local/amateur racer...... Then I see 7 car fields in the championships???? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) And now this seemingly discordance. Is there a problem developing? We used to see a bunch of NASA guys run SCCA events now and then, but I haven't seen one in a while. Well, that is until the monster new Griggs car came out this past weekend and bested all of our times by like 5 seconds a lap: MONSTER MUSTANG He said he was going to run SCCA full time because of nobody to run with in NASA.... Trouble in paradise???? Dude that thing sounds WICKED!!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/gr_guns.gif) |
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Sep 21 2008, 05:51 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 813 Joined: 21-January 04 From: Santa Barbara, CA Member No.: 141 |
Randy, tomes can be written in answer to your question. But briefly, some classes are better represented than others in various regions. Moving the Nationals to a more westerly venue will see a change in fields for some classes.
How does Griggs bringing a car to SCCA events point to a problem with NASA? Griggs ran in AI for a number of years, and did quite well. There was disagreement whether they brought a good element to the paddock or not. For whatever reason, they no longer field cars in AI. While we're talking about AI, they had a good showing at Nationals. Jason |
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Sep 21 2008, 06:11 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Member Posts: 2,688 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Ft Worth, TX Member No.: 8 |
between the economy (face it - CMC racers are way more budget minded) and the 2010 rules change's coming, it was just a bad year for CMC. my bet is, CMC-2 will be huge next year. in fact, i'm already planning to be a CMC-2 car for all of '09 - including Nats.
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Sep 21 2008, 06:44 PM
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CMCer Group: Moderators Posts: 2,932 Joined: 12-February 04 From: the sticks near VIR Member No.: 194 |
There is a ton of enthusiasm for CMC...the economy was the big car count problem this year at the Nats. Notice there were a ton of AI cars at the Nats. For some reason AI has always been bigger out east! Congrats to Dave Shotz in taking 5th in that huge AI field.
I'm looking forward to my relatively short 650 mi tow to Miller for the '09 Nats! |
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Sep 21 2008, 09:51 PM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
The economy is a very convenient excuse. And regardless, I probably won't make 09/10 Nats either.
There is a lot of dirty laundry being aired and bubbling to the surface. While well intentioned in the name of increasing car count, the time has probably come to clean up our house and let the series stand on it's own 2 legs. Sink or swim ... |
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Sep 22 2008, 03:51 AM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
QUOTE (JKnight @ Sep 21 2008, 12:51 PM) Randy, tomes can be written in answer to your question. But briefly, some classes are better represented than others in various regions. Moving the Nationals to a more westerly venue will see a change in fields for some classes. How does Griggs bringing a car to SCCA events point to a problem with NASA? Griggs ran in AI for a number of years, and did quite well. There was disagreement whether they brought a good element to the paddock or not. For whatever reason, they no longer field cars in AI. While we're talking about AI, they had a good showing at Nationals. Jason No...I did not mean that Griggs car coming to the SCCA events meant anything about NASA....other than it was the ONLY NASA car I have seen in a while, and the driver mentioned to me he did not like the "lack of competition" (his words) at the NASA events he had been to. That and Griggs is a NASA guy.....he himself tried to recruit me to NASA a few years ago to boost the AIX numbers.....dunno. I have just gotten used to SCCA bashing over the years and all the talk that NASA was a big, fat, happy, growing family that I was shocked to hear the low turnout news at the Nationals in the other thread and then hear some dissention talked of here.... Just wonderin' what is happening on the other side of the fence is all..... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) |
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Sep 22 2008, 03:58 AM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
QUOTE (mitchntx @ Sep 21 2008, 04:51 PM) The economy is a very convenient excuse. And regardless, I probably won't make 09/10 Nats either. There is a lot of dirty laundry being aired and bubbling to the surface. While well intentioned in the name of increasing car count, the time has probably come to clean up our house and let the series stand on it's own 2 legs. Sink or swim ... ....hmmmm....sorry to hear that. As much a SCCA guy that I am, and my position that all series will either gravitate to either a stricter, draconian type rule based system in many of your opinions like the SCCA, or become a catfight between rules stretchers, rules makers, the original "just want economic racing" guys, etc....I honestly hate to see you having "typical such issues" I hope you guys work it out and get back to a great, enjoyable racing environment! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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Sep 22 2008, 04:00 AM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
QUOTE (supermac @ Sep 21 2008, 12:28 PM) QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Sep 20 2008, 04:29 PM) Guys, what is happening in NASA? I do not follow it much, but I was under the impression that car counts were growing, the national championships were also growing, and the club was well on its way to running other clubs out the door by showing them how it is done and catering to all the needs of the local/amateur racer...... Then I see 7 car fields in the championships???? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) And now this seemingly discordance. Is there a problem developing? We used to see a bunch of NASA guys run SCCA events now and then, but I haven't seen one in a while. Well, that is until the monster new Griggs car came out this past weekend and bested all of our times by like 5 seconds a lap: MONSTER MUSTANG He said he was going to run SCCA full time because of nobody to run with in NASA.... Trouble in paradise???? Dude that thing sounds WICKED!!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/gr_guns.gif) .....yeah.....he admits it is a "detuned" Rousch NASCAR motor. I told him I was putting down 461 to the rear wheels....he said "oh....we are close then.....I detuned my motor and I am at close to 500 hp...." (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif) |
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Sep 22 2008, 04:53 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 689 Joined: 8-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 1,201 |
I got a theory for the turnout.
Budget classes like CMC, lower ranks of PT, and most TT guys are made up of folks running on a budget. So if your racing budget is low, you won't make the tow. |
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Sep 22 2008, 06:33 AM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 122 Joined: 21-October 06 From: Marysville, CA Member No.: 1,423 |
Randy, I think Darrell Anderson, the owner/driver of that monster Mustang is an old SCCA racer. I've talked with him a bunch, and spent several hours helping him debug/wrench on it during its first trip to the track (10 hours after Griggs finished bolting it together) Griggs involvement explains NASA, but isn't Bruce Griggs behind the west coast AV8SS push? And isn't it running with SCCA ITE right now?
I bought a trailer from Bruce about a year ago, and he was seriously trying to talk me into running AV8SS with my 4th gen ... of course that Mustang extinguished any hope of my competitiveness, since he's planning to run AV8SS as well. I think Darrell just wants to drive and have fun ... and has way more $$$ tied up in the Mustang build than he intended, so is driving it anywhere he can to "make it worth it". BTW, at the last NASA Thunderhill weekend, Darrell told me he's run 1:43's in practice at Infineon in that Mustang ... |
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Sep 22 2008, 11:51 AM
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I build race cars Group: Advanced Members Posts: 4,748 Joined: 31-August 05 From: Central coast, CA Member No.: 874 |
QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Sep 21 2008, 08:51 PM) Just wonderin' what is happening on the other side of the fence is all..... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) And I have been meaning to ask what's up with AV8SS? - Griggs was at Infineon in June, same weekend as SCCA was at Laguna. I talked to Bruce briefly, wanted to ask him but thought better of it since it looked to me like the AV8SS/SCCA deal had fizzled. CMC is going thru some growing pains... AI is strong tho, I've got a hand in at least 4 new builds for 2009 |
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Sep 23 2008, 06:36 AM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
QUOTE (Blainefab @ Sep 22 2008, 06:51 AM) QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Sep 21 2008, 08:51 PM) Just wonderin' what is happening on the other side of the fence is all..... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) And I have been meaning to ask what's up with AV8SS? - Griggs was at Infineon in June, same weekend as SCCA was at Laguna. I talked to Bruce briefly, wanted to ask him but thought better of it since it looked to me like the AV8SS/SCCA deal had fizzled. CMC is going thru some growing pains... AI is strong tho, I've got a hand in at least 4 new builds for 2009 I don't the the AV8SS/"SCCA" deal fell through. As far as I know they were all for it.....had the big shindig at the track last year to pump up folks and all at Griggs shop. But it is SCCA, and they don't typically champion classes. It was up to Miki and a couple of other people to push the series and get folks interested as I heard it..... Either the push was not enough, or there was not enough interest to warrant the effort.....dunno......I haven't asked lately either. |
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Sep 23 2008, 06:38 AM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
QUOTE (johns68 @ Sep 22 2008, 01:33 AM) Randy, I think Darrell Anderson, the owner/driver of that monster Mustang is an old SCCA racer. I've talked with him a bunch, and spent several hours helping him debug/wrench on it during its first trip to the track (10 hours after Griggs finished bolting it together) Griggs involvement explains NASA, but isn't Bruce Griggs behind the west coast AV8SS push? And isn't it running with SCCA ITE right now? I bought a trailer from Bruce about a year ago, and he was seriously trying to talk me into running AV8SS with my 4th gen ... of course that Mustang extinguished any hope of my competitiveness, since he's planning to run AV8SS as well. I think Darrell just wants to drive and have fun ... and has way more $$$ tied up in the Mustang build than he intended, so is driving it anywhere he can to "make it worth it". BTW, at the last NASA Thunderhill weekend, Darrell told me he's run 1:43's in practice at Infineon in that Mustang ... He was running 1:43's at Sears pretty easily.....He passed me one lap and I was OUT OF CONTOL trying to stay with him, and all the while his car looked like he was running a cool off lap.....never missed a mark....put the car WHEREVER he wanted.....just cruising! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif) |
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Oct 1 2008, 02:05 PM
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That is a heck of a drive from Jersey, but I am gonna see if I can make it. Most likely as a spectator/random help if anyone needs it. I am sure I can drag some others from the NJ crew out for the fun with me. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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