 Considering an FRRAX track day, Is it possible? |
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 Sep 28 2004, 04:28 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin  Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196  |
Ok, some of you may have wondered why I started a post asking what tracks you attend and how far you would tow to race/play.
I've started toying with the idea of an FRRAX.com track day. I'm not sure of the exact format, it is still a new idea at this point. It could be an HPDE, or maybe a Solo1 format, etc. At this point, I just wondered who would consider attending one (if it were close enough, we'll deal with that seperately if there is interest). So, as I'm just thinking out loud right now.... Who'd come? |
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Sep 28 2004, 04:31 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 289 Joined: 30-December 03 From: Verona, VA Member No.: 71 |
I'd be interested, but I'm pretty limited on travel distance. Of course, if there is enough notice I might be able to work out going further.
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Sep 28 2004, 04:44 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,647 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Pittsburgh, PA Member No.: 14 |
Don't forget, we can "piggy back" on a lapping day that is run by other groups (track-sanctioned, Car Guys, NASA, etc.) and dub it the "frrax track day" without exposing ourselves to costs and risks of low turnout...
As you point out, the real problem is a "central" track that people would be willing to go to interleaved with their normal points-race schedules... |
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Sep 28 2004, 04:47 PM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
Just come out to the greatest track of all Laguna Seca.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Sep 28 2004, 05:02 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
Well, let me look at it another way.
A local message board just did a Gingerman "evening". The track was $500 for 3 hours. They were shooting for 20 people (small outing) and they did the day, the cost was $100 or less each (I didn't make it) and broke even. Fun was had by all. They have about 80 members. We have nearly 500 members (not that all will make it). I wondered if we could come up with more than 20 people for longer than 3 hours (and a track that works for many members). The price would still be reasonable (hopefully) and fun should be had by all. This is about as far as I've worked this through. I'm not looking for 500 cars. But, I'd like to get 50+ or more for a day. Make a good weekend out of it or something like that. If it works well, maybe look at setting up a west coast event as well (I'd be at both). Again, I'm just thinking out loud, looking for ideas, thoughts, trying to find the will of the masses. Please talk amongst yourselves..... |
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Sep 28 2004, 05:26 PM
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Blimey, something completely different... Group: Advanced Members Posts: 200 Joined: 16-January 04 From: San Jose, CA Member No.: 132 |
Definitely, although I don't tow, so somewhere nearby (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Sep 28 2004, 05:28 PM
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Scaring slow F body drivers with a VW diesel Group: Member Posts: 449 Joined: 23-June 04 From: Mt Gilead, Ohio Member No.: 376 |
Kevin, I would defenitely consider this. Just remember our group at Gingerman had one advantage. All 80 members is (for the most part) from Central Ohio. That being said, it was a great day and we could have had more people. Gingerman's pricing seem to be very reasonable too.
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Sep 28 2004, 05:36 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
Neil,
I was aware of that and had considered it. We had spoke/joked about an FRRAX track day in the past. Your outing reminded me that it is not as expensive as I was thinking it might be. This got me wondering if/when/how/could we/etc. So, I thought I'd throw it out to everyone and see what the feelings were. I don't yet know if we can find a track that is central enough to work. And, murphys law states that it will be $4000 an hour to rent if we do find one. But, without researching the location that suits everyone best (see the other thread) and finding interest, we'd never know. So, I'm open to suggestions and thoughts and if (a huge if) we can get a track with decent rates that is close enough to enough members, maybe we can do one. If we pull off one next year, maybe we can try for 2 the following year (closer to the west, or whatever we don't do the first time). So, keep the ideas coming. Who knows what we'll learn. I was thinking spring (early shake down run/test session) as a possibility. I suspect this will take more to organize than the Gingerman trip (but I could be wrong). keep talking.... |
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Sep 28 2004, 05:39 PM
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Apex? What apex? Group: Advanced Members Posts: 245 Joined: 7-January 04 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 106 |
with enought time to figure in time off work, towing, hotels, etc. I would probably drive a fair distance. (of course, from the NW, that still would probably leave it somewhere in the western US for myself.
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Sep 28 2004, 05:54 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,647 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Pittsburgh, PA Member No.: 14 |
I would love to have to w-2-w with some of you guys and would strive to participate.
Location will play heavily into it. I would be willing to tow up to 10 hours maximum each way. FWIW |
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Sep 28 2004, 06:07 PM
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Engine and Tools Moderator Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,859 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Lebanon TN Member No.: 6 |
I would be interested. I don't have any license/certification/etc. so that might be an issue... Not sure if you were thinking everybody that participated would be fully licensed or what.
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Sep 28 2004, 06:28 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,647 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Pittsburgh, PA Member No.: 14 |
QUOTE (John_D. @ Sep 28 2004, 12:07 PM) I would be interested. I don't have any license/certification/etc. so that might be an issue... Not sure if you were thinking everybody that participated would be fully licensed or what. John, you don't need any sort of license to participate in a track day. You just need a car that can pass a basic safety inspection and a helmut that is reasonably current. Beyond that, you just need to look for a run group that has similar experience levels to yourself and look to have some fun. Track days are a blast. A track day full of f-bodies would be a dream... |
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Sep 28 2004, 06:30 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
Still working on that. If the groups are small, I'd think you could get instruction/guidance from some of the other members (I know we have a few instructors around here). Or, we will have to work that out as well.
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Sep 28 2004, 09:43 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 231 Joined: 26-December 03 From: Texas Member No.: 47 |
Since a lot of people would be driving a long way, we'd have to do more than a 3 hour window. The idea of piggy-backing on a larger organization with our own run session would work well. Make a weekend out of it.
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Sep 28 2004, 10:28 PM
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LS1 Inside! / Toolbox / Mechanical Engineer Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,215 Joined: 5-February 04 From: NJ Member No.: 179 |
I'd go somewhere within about 6 hours or so from NJ:
Watkins Glen Limerock Pocono Summit Point Shenendoah Jefferson Circuit Virginia International Raceway Beaverun Mid-Ohio |
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Sep 28 2004, 10:52 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (Nick @ Sep 28 2004, 04:43 PM) Since a lot of people would be driving a long way, we'd have to do more than a 3 hour window. The idea of piggy-backing on a larger organization with our own run session would work well. Make a weekend out of it. I was trying to plan for a longer window. At least a full day or two. Time to drive, hang out, tell lies, etc. And, then head home. I wasn't looking for a 3 hour block. I was looking at a 1 day minimum. Maybe 2 if there are enough f-bodies....uh...bodies. |
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Sep 29 2004, 10:23 AM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 231 Joined: 26-December 03 From: Texas Member No.: 47 |
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Sep 29 2004, 10:53 AM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,640 Joined: 25-December 03 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 40 |
Could we also do ride alongs at the track day? I'd be interested in going, but I'm not going to put my car on the road course (I can't afford to lose it).
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Sep 29 2004, 01:12 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (robz71lm7 @ Sep 29 2004, 05:53 AM) Could we also do ride alongs at the track day? I'd be interested in going, but I'm not going to put my car on the road course (I can't afford to lose it). Unless their insurance says otherwise, I'd think that would be possible. That is part of phase 3 of this operation. Once we find a track and get a head count. We'll see what that track offers from there. |
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Sep 29 2004, 05:48 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 461 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Orlando, FL Member No.: 34 |
I'm in and don't mind driving a pretty good distance to attend.
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Sep 29 2004, 07:25 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
See my "track" poll.....
Thanks! |
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Sep 29 2004, 08:41 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,015 Joined: 28-December 03 From: Texas Member No.: 55 |
I would be willing to go to Hallett (or Motorsport Ranch or TWS). The only other reasonable track I would consider would be Gateway in St. Louis, which I underdstand is difficult to get time on. Anything else would be too far for me.
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Sep 30 2004, 01:27 PM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
How about Heartland Park in Kansas?
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Sep 30 2004, 01:44 PM
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newbie Group: Members Posts: 25 Joined: 17-July 04 Member No.: 408 |
I'd be interested in a track day, and I know 3 or 4 people on my local board that would probably attend if it was reasonable distance from North Carolina.
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Sep 30 2004, 02:49 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (mitchntx @ Sep 30 2004, 08:27 AM) How about Heartland Park in Kansas? That is closer to the east coast than Hallett. Saves me almost 150 miles from Oh. That is a good option (if it's available/affordable). I forgot that one. |
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Sep 30 2004, 03:40 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 588 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Sterling, IL Member No.: 7 |
Heartland Park gets me near ye old KU stomping grounds! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/drink.gif)
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Sep 30 2004, 09:21 PM
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El Cucci Group: Advanced Members Posts: 291 Joined: 26-December 03 From: Queen Creek, AZ Member No.: 46 |
how bout two separate events? East and West ? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Sep 30 2004, 11:24 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (tom97ss @ Sep 30 2004, 04:21 PM) how bout two separate events? East and West ? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Tom, That may be the end result. Depending on how one goes, we'd decide if we should do another. If I/we can't do 2 in the first year, we may do 2 after that. I think that is the only way to try to catch most of the members. But, I'm still waiting on the poll to take shape. |
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Oct 1 2004, 02:00 AM
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El Cucci Group: Advanced Members Posts: 291 Joined: 26-December 03 From: Queen Creek, AZ Member No.: 46 |
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Oct 2 2004, 12:25 PM
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No El-Use-O. Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,368 Joined: 27-December 03 From: SW Michigan Member No.: 52 |
How about a track that can provide facilities to setup an autox? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Oct 2 2004, 01:21 PM
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Moderator Group: Advanced Members Posts: 863 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Tulsa, OK Member No.: 5 |
We also have a new roadcourse opening up here in Tulsa for next year that has a dragstrip and pad big enough for autox. Here's the link:
http://www.tulsaracewaypark.com/ Of course, the big question is will they actually be done building it in time to have any events next year. |
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Oct 2 2004, 01:52 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 231 Joined: 26-December 03 From: Texas Member No.: 47 |
That's an interesting looking track. Hopefully NASA will add it to the schedule!
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Oct 2 2004, 02:24 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
That looks reasonably fast. Could be rather fun.
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Oct 2 2004, 07:14 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 919 Joined: 30-December 03 From: Northern NY Member No.: 66 |
QUOTE (mitchntx @ Sep 30 2004, 07:27 AM) How about Heartland Park in Kansas? I raced there earlier in the yr. Thenew first turn is kinda unnevering for myself and others. Its a slight left going into and uphill blind right. If you screw it up there isnt much room for error. Someone did a couple weeks before we were there and it was on everybody mind. It was the only corner that I didnt like during this yr's One Lap Of America. But thats another track I need another shot at, had the car real loose and it wasnt fun. John. PS I dig the idea of East and West. |
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 Oct 8 2004, 01:17 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 194 Joined: 23-February 04 From: Plano'l Texas Member No.: 244 |
Motorsport Ranch near Ft Worth, Jack can be flexible. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)
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Oct 10 2004, 02:26 AM
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North of the border Group: Admin Posts: 2,307 Joined: 4-February 04 From: Montreal, CANADA Member No.: 177 |
doh...
as said in other thread, would be nice to have the most people, so central US makes sense. I'm willing to drive upto 1500 (each way) for the event... should be fun to meet lots of you guys. Would have to happen in summer... not driving if there is risk of snow anywhere on the way. |
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Oct 10 2004, 05:23 AM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Oct 9 2004, 09:26 PM) doh... as said in other thread, would be nice to have the most people, so central US makes sense. I'm willing to drive upto 1500 (each way) Kilos or miles??? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) |
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Oct 11 2004, 05:56 AM
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North of the border Group: Admin Posts: 2,307 Joined: 4-February 04 From: Montreal, CANADA Member No.: 177 |
QUOTE (trackbird @ Oct 10 2004, 01:23 AM) QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Oct 9 2004, 09:26 PM) doh... as said in other thread, would be nice to have the most people, so central US makes sense. I'm willing to drive upto 1500 (each way) Kilos or miles??? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) willing 1500miles... ie around 2500kms each way. you guys are great and worth the displacement. |
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Oct 11 2004, 12:47 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Oct 11 2004, 12:56 AM) QUOTE (trackbird @ Oct 10 2004, 01:23 AM) QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Oct 9 2004, 09:26 PM) doh... as said in other thread, would be nice to have the most people, so central US makes sense. I'm willing to drive upto 1500 (each way) Kilos or miles??? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) willing 1500miles... ie around 2500kms each way. you guys are great and worth the displacement. So, what tracks can you reach in 1,500 miles? Hallett in Oklahoma is winning so far...... |
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Oct 12 2004, 08:02 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 545 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Germantown, MD USA Member No.: 99 |
QUOTE willing 1500miles... ie around 2500kms each way. you guys are great and worth the displacement. He'd have to pass Mid-Ohio, Nelson Ledges, Gingerman, just to name a few, to get to OK area. |
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Oct 12 2004, 08:08 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (PF Flyer @ Oct 12 2004, 03:02 PM) QUOTE willing 1500miles... ie around 2500kms each way. you guys are great and worth the displacement. He'd have to pass Mid-Ohio, Nelson Ledges, Gingerman, just to name a few, to get to OK area. Nelson Ledges and Gingerman are affordable (Gingerman is, I'm not sure on Ledges, but I suspect it is). I douby we could afford to rent the pit lane at Mid Ohio, much less the whole track...... I'd have to call to be sure on that. |
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Oct 13 2004, 02:15 PM
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North of the border Group: Admin Posts: 2,307 Joined: 4-February 04 From: Montreal, CANADA Member No.: 177 |
QUOTE (trackbird @ Oct 11 2004, 08:47 AM) QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Oct 11 2004, 12:56 AM) QUOTE (trackbird @ Oct 10 2004, 01:23 AM) QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Oct 9 2004, 09:26 PM) doh... as said in other thread, would be nice to have the most people, so central US makes sense. I'm willing to drive upto 1500 (each way) Kilos or miles??? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) willing 1500miles... ie around 2500kms each way. you guys are great and worth the displacement. So, what tracks can you reach in 1,500 miles? Hallett in Oklahoma is winning so far...... I don't know... I'm not good at American geography. but to have an idea if I can make it... I'm 350 miles straight-north of NY-city. So figure anything within 1200 miles of NY-city and I can make it. That means it's a 1 day drive to go, and another one to come back. I've done several rides in 1 day of 1200+ miles and some of 1500... even if they were on a motorcycle... I was an iron-butter on a sportsbike (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/thumbup.gif) I love driving. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/thumbup.gif) When will this be happening ? I'm putting my car aways for winter-sleeping in 2 weeks... I'm assuming this will happen next spring/summer ? |
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Oct 19 2004, 11:04 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
I'm going to unpin a few of these to reduce clutter. Please feel free to continue discussing the events.
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