[Absolut Speed]

Don't click if you want to see the actual unveiling Monday

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?se...article_id=3124

Be sure to watch the video to see the 360 view.

[robz71lm7]

I think the concept shows a lot of promise. I think they could work some on the front end grille and the rear tail lights.

I'm not a big retro fan to be honest.

[slowTA]

Ehh, I guess I would buy one but I'm sure they'll make some changes to make it look a little better. I looks like rear visibilty will be pretty limited. Independant rear? Didn't hear all of the audio.

'Reasonably compact', but what does it weigh?

[DanO]

Yup, independant rear!!

The cad pictures of the underside were out a while ago and showed independant rear.

[KeithO]

Needs to be less than $25k for a stripper Z28 and weigh less than 3350lbs or I won't even consider it.

[35th_Anniversary...]

It grew on me during the video, at first glance the point of the nose was too much, I still think it would look better more flat. Also, would be nice if they put in the old fashioned hideaway headlight grille covers to hide the headlights during the day. I agree with Keith that it needs to weigh less than 3350-3400 lbs and have a target price of $25 or less. Not sure the big diameter wheels are smart. One could only hope they put a decent posi in it.

[robz71lm7]

So is it a struts up front?

As for IRS I hope it isn't an "abortion" IRS.

[Formula WS6]

where's the firebird?

[Racer X]

So is it a struts up front?

Yes.

where's the firebird

Scuttlebut says it's not gonna happen. No more near identical cars from the same company competing in the same marketplace, so they say.

[Absolut Speed]

No more near identical cars from the same company competing in the same marketplace, so they say.

So GMC is finally going to get the ax? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I know that's what they say, but the entire GMC line is probably the least differentiated line out there. Sam goes for the new GM minivan lineup. But I guess in some cases, they are holding true to that, like there'no no sunfire replacement... unless of course you go to Canada where Pontiac has a Cobalt equivalent. I have to stop trying to figure GM out.

[35th_Anniversary...]

where's the firebird?

video says it's on the GTO platform, GTO = Pontiac

[SS2win]

New styles are usually hard for me to digest. When the new mustang came out I REALLY HATED it. After getting used to it a bit I almost like it... naaah scratch that. On the other hand, this concept Camaro is off to a good start. I'm not thrilled with it but I don't hate it in the least. The vid says without looking retro.. lol, I guess so.

R&T Video

[rmackintosh]

where's the firebird?

...not gonna happen.....sorry (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

[rmackintosh]

So GMC is finally going to get the ax? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

...lets hope not....taking away a DECENT looking truck would take away ANOTHER GM product that I would buy...

The list just gets SMALLER and SMALLER

[marka]

Howdy,

So the Road & Track link doesn't work... Did anyone save the article?

Mark

[bsim]

So the Road & Track link doesn't work... Did anyone save the article?

Link's down, but here's a copy. If clicking doesn't work, 'copy shortcut' and paste into 'open URL' in media player...

Needs to be less than $25k for a stripper Z28 and weigh less than 3350lbs or I won't even consider it.

Should we start a pool?

I call 3500# and $35k...

This post has been edited by bsim: Jan 8 2006, 03:06 AM

[slowTA]

Put me down for 3700 lbs (for some reason it looks heavy) and $32K.

[Rob Hood]

http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_...camaro_concept/

[35th_Anniversary...]

I calll 3800 lbs & $31k sticker

This post has been edited by 35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS: Jan 8 2006, 04:01 AM

[TOO Z MAXX]

Here it is
(IMG:http://www.norcal-ls1.com/multimedia/data/500/12162006144750.jpg)

[tom97ss]

Needs round tailights.

I want to see it in WC trim :drive:

[Rob Hood]

Rear fenders look too much like previous generation Mustang's.

Grille openings look out of proportion, should be smaller. Wonder if the RS-style grille is returning? If it was flush-mounted I bet it would improve aero numbers.

Looks like the whole engine will be visible when the hood is opened. I like the cowl hood, not too high but hopefully functional. Oops - just noticed the opening at the leading edge of the nose.

Car will probably look great as a convertible. Hopefully no T-top versions will be produced.

2009 Camaro plus LS7 = Modern ZL1, anyone? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by Rob Hood: Jan 8 2006, 06:38 PM

[Vracer111]

Not bad...but it's going to weigh more than 4th generation Camaro unless they plan to reverse modern trends. GM can't even make the solstice weigh what it should (2500-2600lbs). I'm calling weight for the Camaro between 3600-3800lbs and cost around $28K. And no I won't be buying one or any other GM or Ford vehicle... had enough of "American" vehicles with my '98 Camaro.

This post has been edited by Vracer111: Jan 8 2006, 08:32 PM

[CMC #37]

Looks like a "Goatvette" hybird of the present GTO and Corvette with a little Musturd thrown in. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[Teutonic Speedra...]

I couldn't get the link to the video to work, but I was entertained by Gordon Murray's writeup on the technical analysis of the Bugatti Veyron:

R&T Tech Analysis Bugatti Veyron

[35th_Anniversary...]

And no I won't be buying one or any other GM or Ford vehicle... had enough of "American" vehicles with my '98 Camaro.

sounds like someone who hasn't yet driven a y-body....

but i agree on the weight thing. but many other companies are worse on weight than GM... like BMW. Look how heavy the Mini is... But yeah, even with carbon fiber front fenders and hood they couldn't get the C6 Z06 to weigh less than a C5 Z06 without the carbon fiber hood.

and what kind of lead do they put in the camaro doors? The doors aren't metal and they weigh 5 times as much as the doors on my y-body. There is an easy 30-50 lbs on each door they can get rid of (or at least that's what it feels like).

[prockbp]

3650#'s @ $29,000 for a V6 version

[Rob Hood]

2006 Mustang v6 starts under $20k, so hopefully GM will price the base Camaro the same comparitavely by 2009. I don't know if Ford dealers are marking up the Mustangs however.

[Brandon]

Im getting the same result this morning.

[pknowles]

I hate the front end of the Camaro concept and I've looked at it a couple times now. As far as I'm concerned this is retro done right!

This post has been edited by pknowles: Jan 9 2006, 03:52 PM

[patred]

It just looks too ... um ... big. Like they took a firstgen Camaro and added 5-inch-thick foam over all the sheet metal and sealed it with laquer.

Pat

[rmackintosh]

I hate the front end of the Camaro concept and I've looked at it a couple times now. As far as I'm concerned this is retro done right!

...true....but Chrysler/Dodge has more experience with retro... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[lt1aggie]

For what it's worth:

(IMG:http://imageserver4.textamerica.com/user.images.x/68/IMG_354368/Big/_0109/T520060109074400395.jpg)
(IMG:http://imageserver4.textamerica.com/user.images.x/68/IMG_354368/Big/_0109/T520060109074304686.jpg)

[Stang Killer]

I call 3800# and 35k dollars.

[BigEnos]

I call it in my garage when they come out, hopefully anyway. Only think I don't really like is the gigantic egg-crate grille, but I'm gonna reserve final comment until I see the production version in person. So far they've got me though.

Bravo GM

Oh, and all you haters (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)

(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[rmackintosh]

I call it in my garage when they come out, hopefully anyway. Only think I don't really like is the gigantic egg-crate grille, but I'm gonna reserve final comment until I see the production version in person. So far they've got me though.

Bravo GM

Oh, and all you haters (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)

(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

It looks better than the first few spy shots I saw. But MAN.....PLEASE, PLEASE fix the front grill area and the interior....

(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rant.gif)

Have you seen the ACTUAL photos on other sites of the ORANGE goofy looking interior....THAT would be IMPOSSIBLE to live with.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

[BigEnos]

It looks better than the first few spy shots I saw. But MAN.....PLEASE, PLEASE fix the front grill area and the interior....

(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rant.gif)

Have you seen the ACTUAL photos on other sites of the ORANGE goofy looking interior....THAT would be IMPOSSIBLE to live with.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Good point about the interior. The seats look good, everything else has to (and probably will) go. Often it seems like interiors are the one thing where the concept will differ from the real thing when its this radical.

[lt1aggie]

I call it in my garage when they come out, hopefully anyway. Only think I don't really like is the gigantic egg-crate grille, but I'm gonna reserve final comment until I see the production version in person. So far they've got me though.

Bravo GM

Oh, and all you haters  (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)

(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

It looks better than the first few spy shots I saw. But MAN.....PLEASE, PLEASE fix the front grill area and the interior....

(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rant.gif)

Have you seen the ACTUAL photos on other sites of the ORANGE goofy looking interior....THAT would be IMPOSSIBLE to live with.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

You mean these?

(IMG:http://people.tamu.edu/~cburkhardt/09_camaro/camaro_3.jpg)
(IMG:http://people.tamu.edu/~cburkhardt/09_camaro/camaro_5.jpg)

[rmackintosh]

...ah...there's the 'ol Camaro back seat we all know and love... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ...I have yet to see a person with knees skinny enough to fit between the front and rear seats... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif)

[BigEnos]

...ah...there's the 'ol Camaro back seat we all know and love... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ...I have yet to see a person with knees skinny enough to fit between the front and rear seats... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif)

Went to Long Island once with a friend and his GF. She rode in the back of the car all the way up and back. She had no problem with leg room (she was small but not tiny). Her only issue was the lack of a window to look out of. Pretty claustrophobic back there. Way up was at night so not as much of a problem.

Yes they are of limited use, I'd rather that than a 4-door camaro a'la dodge charger, though! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

[marka]

Howdy,

That's the most hideous interior I've ever seen.

And I've seen a decent number of ricer show car interiors.

Good lord.

Mark

[CMC #37]

LOL! I am glad they are NOT bringing back the Firebird if that is what they are subjecting the poor Camaro to on the inside! I think Madonna would be comfortable wearing that speedo and tach gauge for her next concert! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif)

[lt1aggie]

LOL! I am glad they are NOT bringing back the Firebird if that is what they are subjecting the poor Camaro to on the inside! I think Madonna would be comfortable wearing that speedo and tach gauge for her next concert! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif)

haha

[Teutonic Speedra...]

The picture of the burgandy one is growing on me. I think most of the interior looks hideous, but I'm confident that is just for the showcar. On the exterior, I think it looks cool to bring back. My concern is the weight and the price. I have a feeling the 4th gens would be better track cars than the 5th gen. I bet my next new vehicle won't be the Camaro, but a new truck!

[robz71lm7]

LOL! I am glad they are NOT bringing back the Firebird if that is what they are subjecting the poor Camaro to on the inside! I think Madonna would be comfortable wearing that speedo and tach gauge for her next concert! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif)

(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/thumbup.gif)

It's sickening isn't it?

I find it funny how the seats are already sloped back like a ghetto sled.

[robz71lm7]

Ahh the Scott S. leghumping is in full bloom:

http://www.chirpthird.com/vb/showthread.ph...96&page=1&pp=10

[2000Z-71]

Please Lord, grant GM the wisdon to build it and may my little girl be out of a car seat by the time it comes to market.

Seriously, I really like the looks of it, at least the exterior. I'll enter the pool for 3750lbs and 33k. I just hope GM doesn't try and do what they did withthe SSR, try and sell something for an outrageously high price as a specialty/halo vehicle.

[trackbird]

Please Lord, grant GM the wisdon to build it and may my little girl be out of a car seat by the time it comes to market.

I hope someone buys it. That way there is a chance of them getting the 6th gen right (since there will only be a 6th gen if they can sell this one to someone).

[v7guy]

alot of the body reminds me of the charger. Can't say I like it really

[SuperMacGuy]

Its officially out now. All I have to say is "Absolutely Badass!" and "effing awesome!".
This from a die hard Firebird guy. I would buy one, based on looks and 'promised' performance.

[lateapex]

Howdy,

That's the most hideous interior I've ever seen.

And I've seen a decent number of ricer show car interiors.

Mark

I have seen worse interiors. The new Chrysler Imperial concept car with its iridescent lavender-chrome dash surround/bezel for example:
http://www.seriouswheels.com/2006/2006-Chr...rd-1280x960.htm

The back seat area is no better with its purple neon lighting. And get a load of that trunk form the rear quarter angle:http://www.seriouswheels.com/2006/2006-Chr...le-1280x960.htm
http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2006-Chry...ial-Concept.htm
By the way, this site has all of the full rez pics of the Camaro concept also.

I would guess that the starting price for the big V8 version would be $25,000 in today’s dollars. I won’t guess what the inflation will be between now and 2009. But it could easily cost $35,000 if Delphi, Visteon and most Tier 1 and 2 suppliers are gone. Can you imagine what it would cost a car manufacturer to have to engineer and make its own parts? But I think the deal breaker will be the weight. Probably over 3650. Maybe well over.

The GTO weighs 3820 lbs. with the 6 speed, and at 110.5”, the Camaro’s wheelbase will be almost an inch longer than the current GTO’s (and close to 10” longer than the 4th gen F-body’s). At least the Camaro concept’s overall length is about 1” shorter than the GTO’s. Where will they get 200 to 400 lbs of weight savings? Will the new platform be any lighter? A platform architecture cannot be weight/strength optimized when it must be adaptable to many different vehicles. The weight could come down, but that would increase the price. Their target buyer would rather drive around a few hundred lbs of extra weight than pay an extra $8,000 for something they can’t even see… lightness. You would think that with all of the emphasis on fuel conservation that manufacturers would be engineering lighter vehicles, but every generation just gets heavier. The Corvette is one of the very few exceptions in the last 15 years.

There will surely be 6 or 8 airbags in the car, and maybe a couple of pedestrian airbags on the front like the new S-Class. And they will want to claim that the chassis is XX % more rigid that the last gen. The longer the wheelbase, the more difficult it becomes to maintain or increase rigidity without adding weight. I would not object to a 16” step-over height for tall side rails, but their target demographic wouldn’t even take a test drive. And 10” tall box section side rails would offer greater “side impact” protection than side air bags while saving the cost and weight of the air bags.

You probably won’t be able to get the Z28 version without power seats, windows, door locks, mirrors, memory, remote, 10 speaker 300 watt surround sound, active handling, traction control, head-up display, bluetooth, sun visor microphone, separate (red) starter button, etc. And if there is one option that you want, you probably won’t be able to order it without getting 4 other options you don’t want, because option “packages” make more for the dealer and manufacturer.

I would have to see it in person to tell if I like the looks. I can see from the pics that it would grow on me, except for the front end. I like many of the exterior side and rear elements, but I can't know if they form a cohesive whole without walking around it. And many of those details may change between now and production.

This post has been edited by lateapex: Jan 11 2006, 08:20 AM