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CMC#5
post May 9 2007, 09:02 PM
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Now that things are starting to settle down here in our new home, we broke ground on the GarageMahal.

Any suggestions/tips from those that know much more than I ever will about electricity and other shop essentials? Keep it simple, essential and wonderland arent the same (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Specifically I'm looking for advice on # of circuits and size, as well as floor and wall paint/coating/covering options.

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post May 9 2007, 10:22 PM
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Good point...a few details. Its 40x45 with a good chunk devoted to getting the trailer out of sight. So about a 24x40 work area. Its not commercial, just my car stuff. Stuff I own includes a 220v compressor and 220V Mig, 110v drill press and band saw. I plan on putting our old washer/dryer out there too so I can clean shop rags with impunity. Future equipment wish list includes a lift, a lathe, and a mill in that order...but likely none of those will happen for many many many years. There'll be a small 1/2 bath so I can clean up before getting back into the house.
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Howdy,

QUOTE (CMC#5 @ May 9 2007, 06:22 PM) *
Good point...a few details. Its 40x45 with a good chunk devoted to getting the trailer out of sight. So about a 24x40 work area. Its not commercial, just my car stuff. Stuff I own includes a 220v compressor and 220V Mig, 110v drill press and band saw. I plan on putting our old washer/dryer out there too so I can clean shop rags with impunity. Future equipment wish list includes a lift, a lathe, and a mill in that order...but likely none of those will happen for many many many years. There'll be a small 1/2 bath so I can clean up before getting back into the house.



Ok...

I'd say you want a dedicated 220vac circuit for the compressor and any other "big" machinery like a mill or lathe. The mill/lathe could potentially share a circuit, but I've not seen anything that lets you easily put two 220vac receptacles on the same circuit. If you could... The mill/lathe would be a good choice for this. Oh, and if the dryer is electric, you'll want a dedicated circuit for that.

You'll also want a couple floater 220vac circuits for stuff like the welder. This could just be one circuit and a big 220vac extention cord that's 20' long or so so that you can move the welder to where you want to work.

For all the 220vac circuits, I'd go with 50A breakers for them all. You don't have too... For instance the compressor circuit probably doesn't need that many amps. Still, if you're doing this stuff yourself the cost difference between the two (and particularly compared to paying someone else to do it) isn't that bad. Having more amperage available gives you more future options.

Speaking of amperage... A 100A box would probably be enough, but if the cost difference for a 200A service wasn't much I'd go that way instead. It may well be a good bit more expensive though.

In terms of 110vac outlets, I'd want one at 3' or so off the floor every 4'. For a couple people working in the shop probably you don't need more than two separate circuits, but think a decent bit if you'll have something on the utility circuits running when you want to use a chopsaw or something else that takes a good bit of amps on that same circuit... Remember also that you can split your outlets so that one receptacle uses one circuit and the other receptacle uses another. The other option is to split the circuits per wall or something like that.

For lighting, you want that on its own circuit so that when you pop a breaker you're not standing in the dark. Use plenty of lighting. No, more than that. :-) In my shop I'm going to use 8' fixtures that use four 4' t-8 bulbs. The T-8 stuff seems to be the way to go these days in terms of cold start/run & efficency, but I'm certainly not an expert.

Other stuff... I dunno where you live but if it gets cold in the winters consider radiant floor heating. Around us, natural gas and fuel oil prices are as bad or worse than electric now, and I'm kicking myself that I didn't do electric radiant floor heat when we poured the new floor.

For the future lift, make sure you've got the headroom you need and remember also that a garage door in the up position or a garage door opener may be your limiter. The floor requirements for a four post lift are much better than a two post, but if you're like me you'll find a two post more versatile.

I'd put in an exhaust fan on one of the walls too.

There's probably other stuff I'm not thinking about.

Mark

Edit: This is a good reference book for wiring. Reading the NEC is a non-starter. http://www.amazon.com/Wiring-House-Pros-Re...l/dp/1561585270

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CMC#5   its all about the garage   May 9 2007, 09:02 PM
marka   Howdy, How big will the shop be? How many folks ...   May 9 2007, 09:30 PM
CMC#5   Good point...a few details. Its 40x45 with a good ...   May 9 2007, 10:22 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (CMC#5 @ May 9 2007, 06:22 ...   May 10 2007, 03:17 PM
z28tt   How large of a power feed will you have? I'd e...   May 9 2007, 10:56 PM
rmackintosh   Well....there you go Al...you ACTUALLY found ONE t...   May 9 2007, 11:31 PM
SSTAT   While I cant comment on all the hieroglyphics abov...   May 10 2007, 12:23 AM
wdtiger   I have nothing to add. I would just like to add my...   May 10 2007, 12:45 AM
mitchntx   How many outlets? Decide on paper and double it. H...   May 10 2007, 01:07 AM
cccbock   Every one of Mitch's and Andris' suggestio...   May 10 2007, 01:40 AM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (mitchntx @ May 9 2007, 09...   May 10 2007, 03:36 PM
mitchntx   Bathroom over a beer fridge? I need to see your m...   May 10 2007, 01:47 AM
cccbock   QUOTE (mitchntx @ May 9 2007, 08:47 PM) B...   May 10 2007, 11:08 AM
Eugenio_SS   as mentionned, make sure you have lots of lighting...   May 10 2007, 12:27 PM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ May 10 2007, 07:27 AM...   May 10 2007, 02:27 PM
mitchntx   RE: its all about the garage   May 10 2007, 12:51 PM
BigEnos   If you're worried about security (and you shou...   May 10 2007, 03:51 PM
Powerslide91   Random thoughts: My experience from building my sh...   May 10 2007, 04:04 PM
CMC#5   Wow, a ton of excellent advice! I figured ther...   May 10 2007, 04:54 PM
cccbock   QUOTE (CMC#5 @ May 10 2007, 11:54 AM) 3) ...   May 10 2007, 05:27 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (CMC#5 @ May 10 2007, 12:54...   May 10 2007, 05:52 PM
pknowles   QUOTE (marka @ May 10 2007, 01:52 PM) Fol...   May 10 2007, 11:20 PM
Powerslide91   QUOTE (CMC#5 @ May 10 2007, 11:54 AM) 1) ...   May 10 2007, 09:38 PM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (Powerslide91 @ May 10 2007, 04:38 ...   May 11 2007, 03:46 PM
AllZWay   You should visit Mitch's Warren Motorsports Co...   May 10 2007, 06:38 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (AllZWay @ May 10 2007, 01:38 PM) I...   May 10 2007, 07:22 PM
roadracetransam   Put skylights! They sell nice circular ones a...   May 10 2007, 08:37 PM
mitchntx   Remember guys ... this is Texas. Front and rear do...   May 10 2007, 09:47 PM
firehawkclone   I would also do the awning/overhang outside for th...   May 10 2007, 10:40 PM
mitchntx   I used black iron natural gas line.   May 10 2007, 11:22 PM
AndyB   I'm a license electrician in California so hop...   May 11 2007, 01:22 AM
slowTA   So who has info about a 220V GFCI? Out of necessi...   May 11 2007, 01:37 AM
AndyB   QUOTE (slowTA @ May 10 2007, 08:37 PM) So...   May 11 2007, 02:58 AM
z28tt   The price of copper has gone through the roof, whe...   May 11 2007, 01:41 PM
DavidDymaxion   Some more ideas: Do a 240V central vac rather tha...   May 11 2007, 03:39 PM
Blainefab   QUOTE (z28tt @ May 11 2007, 08:41 AM) A 2...   May 20 2007, 08:49 PM
Blainefab   Al - Some random thoughts: Bench space - I'v...   May 11 2007, 10:11 PM
cccbock   QUOTE (Blainefab @ May 11 2007, 05:11 PM)...   May 11 2007, 10:39 PM
firehawkclone   This was posted awhile back on here http://www.ult...   May 12 2007, 04:02 PM
v7guy   I've also found this site useful http://www.ga...   May 15 2007, 05:43 PM
bsim   <<--- Jealous.   May 16 2007, 01:38 AM
CMC#5   Just move Brad! Man you guys have my head ...   May 16 2007, 05:37 PM
pkincy   Big Al, Real Estate and acreage is a bit more man...   May 26 2007, 09:00 PM
CMC#5   Perry! Good to hear from you! You guys are...   May 29 2007, 07:01 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (CMC#5 @ May 29 2007, 03:01...   May 29 2007, 08:25 PM
Glenn98ZM6   why wood?   May 29 2007, 08:14 PM
CMC#5   Glenn...I struck a deal with the guy that built ou...   May 29 2007, 09:59 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (CMC#5 @ May 29 2007, 04:59 PM) I p...   May 30 2007, 12:25 AM
slowTA   Wow... rough crowd! To follow suit I'll a...   May 29 2007, 10:07 PM
CMC#5   Well, the front of the house has several sort of s...   May 30 2007, 12:25 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (CMC#5 @ May 30 2007, 07:25 AM) Wel...   May 30 2007, 01:27 PM

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