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Member ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 126 Joined: 28-June 07 From: Idaho Member No.: 1,834 ![]() |
Thank you Mike and Andris for adding some sanity to this. It all boils down to conservation of energy (an irrefutable law of physics). It's the idea that nothing comes for free. If you're adding energy to a system, that energy has to come from somewhere. That can be from solar power (directly or indirectly), biological processes (like creating methane from waste), mechanical storage (winding up a spring), electro-chemical conversions (such as using electricity to create hydrogen from water). To get a certain amount of power from a source, at least that much power has to have been placed into that source to begin with. Andris showed this with his calculations: To get a gain from electrically produced hydrogen, you have to put that power into the system first. In this case, that power comes from the alternator. The alternator has to work at least as hard as the engine would work (and in actuality much harder) to make that energy available through the hydrogen.
This scam is similar to that jackass that is selling his "plans" that will inject plasma into your engine, creating the plasma with his 500% efficient generator. Think about that... think about what a plasma torch does to metal. Now think about a 500% efficient device. That means you could plug it into your wall, it would take 100 watts of power and turn it into 500 watts of power... magically. The problem is that they use just enough scientific jargon to confuse the average layperson, but don't actually show anything scientific. It use to be that people could sell "snake oil" out of the back of a covered wagon because people were very ignorant. Now people are more educated, but the scam is exactly the same, you just have to have a more sophisticated sales pitch. This post has been edited by JustinID: Jun 11 2008, 05:49 PM |
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