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Rob Hood
post Jul 15 2008, 03:06 AM
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http://www.autoextremist.com/current/2008/7/8/rants-453.html

Was listening to some newsradio today - many analysts are painting a bleak picture. Heard that Hummer and Saab were going to be let go, maybe more. I've already seen where Chevy is not sponsoring several NASCAR races next year.

Rick Wagoner is supposed to deliver an announcement tomorrow morning at 0830 EST. Should be worth listening to.

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post Jul 15 2008, 07:52 PM
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Right now, the problem is that there is not enough care and what is there is too expensive. Ultimately, government run care has one of two solutions to this. Each of those solutions has a problem, based on the fact that it costs money to provide healthcare. So, let's analyse the two problems:

1) MORE HEALTHCARE - to provide more care will cost more money. More people will be covered, and more people will be getting services. The problem is that the government gets its money from taxpayers. So, taxpayers will be paying more, which is part of the same problem we have now.

2) LOWER COST - to lower costs, less care will be provided. Providing the "right" kind of care (preventative medicine) will help, but no more Viagara, Prevacid, hip replacements (it's an elective surgery) or heart transplants for 70 year olds. The problem here is that people are not going to accept being told that there is a remedy, but the government will not provide it.

As a side note, someone mentioned that things the government refuses to pay for will still be available if you pay yourself. This is true, to a degree. Currently, every single bill introduced at the Federal or State level that would have set up a universal government coverage has also made it illegal to provide parallel services in the private sector. In English, this means that it's illegal to sell health insurance. Therefore, people would have to pay out-of-pocket the entire costs of these things. Instead of pills costing a co-pay of $70, they'd be $400. This would mean that the uber-rich (not you or me!) could afford these things, while everyone from the upper-middle class downward would have to do without.
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Rob Hood   the future of GM...   Jul 15 2008, 03:06 AM
poSSum   Tough times for sure.   Jul 15 2008, 09:31 AM
sgarnett   I hate to say this, but it seems like a terrible t...   Jul 15 2008, 11:56 AM
trackbird   http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/15/news/compa...dex.h...   Jul 15 2008, 02:32 PM
Rob Hood   I think what surprises me is that the price of oil...   Jul 15 2008, 02:39 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Jul 15 2008, 10:39 AM) ...   Jul 15 2008, 03:03 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 15 2008, 11:03 AM)...   Jul 15 2008, 05:11 PM
Rob Hood   So drilling our way out of this really isn't g...   Jul 15 2008, 03:23 PM
marka   Howdy, Not to mention, "drilling our way out...   Jul 15 2008, 03:48 PM
sgarnett   If you think about it though, gas(oline) prices ha...   Jul 15 2008, 03:53 PM
CamaroFS34   I don't buy the "gas costs" argument...   Jul 15 2008, 03:55 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (marka @ Jul 15 2008, 11:48 AM) Thi...   Jul 15 2008, 04:04 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 15 2008, 12...   Jul 15 2008, 04:11 PM
00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (marka @ Jul 15 2008, 11:11 AM) Can...   Jul 15 2008, 04:54 PM
roadracetransam   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 09:54 ...   Jul 15 2008, 05:27 PM
CMC #37   QUOTE Couldn't agree more! I used to live ...   Jul 15 2008, 05:44 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 12...   Jul 15 2008, 06:48 PM
00 Trans Ram   One problem (certainly not the only, and maybe not...   Jul 15 2008, 04:22 PM
Rob Hood   Universal health care will bankrupt the country fa...   Jul 15 2008, 05:11 PM
Rob Hood   Oil price fell about 9 bucks last week too, then s...   Jul 15 2008, 05:16 PM
CMC #37   Eugenio, what can you tell us about Canadian healt...   Jul 15 2008, 05:20 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Jul 15 2008, 01...   Jul 15 2008, 06:56 PM
poSSum   QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Jul 15 2008, 12:20 PM) E...   Jul 15 2008, 09:41 PM
00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (poSSum @ Jul 15 2008, 04:41 PM) QU...   Jul 15 2008, 10:00 PM
poSSum   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 05:00 ...   Jul 16 2008, 03:37 AM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Jul 15 2008, 01:20 PM) E...   Jul 15 2008, 10:34 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Jul 15 2008, 06:34 PM...   Jul 16 2008, 05:18 AM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 16 2008, 01:18 AM)...   Jul 16 2008, 07:32 PM
sgarnett   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Jul 15 2008, 06:34 PM...   Jul 16 2008, 02:21 PM
firehawkclone   QUOTE (marka @ Jul 15 2008, 08:48 AM) How...   Jul 15 2008, 05:41 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Jul 15 2008, 01:16 PM) ...   Jul 15 2008, 05:56 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 15 2008, 01...   Jul 15 2008, 07:02 PM
CMC #37   QUOTE (marka @ Jul 15 2008, 02:02 PM) How...   Jul 15 2008, 07:07 PM
Rob Hood   I think Julie (and others here who are self-employ...   Jul 15 2008, 06:36 PM
CMC #37   QUOTE "Too expensive" is a cop out. Figu...   Jul 15 2008, 06:57 PM
marka   Howdy, To be fair... My level of knowledge about ...   Jul 15 2008, 07:19 PM
00 Trans Ram   Mark - you've hit the nail on the head in a fe...   Jul 15 2008, 07:38 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 03...   Jul 15 2008, 07:54 PM
roadracetransam   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 12:38 ...   Jul 15 2008, 09:09 PM
00 Trans Ram   Right now, the problem is that there is not enough...   Jul 15 2008, 07:52 PM
Sam Strano   Big business runs the country, it has for a long t...   Jul 15 2008, 08:02 PM
00 Trans Ram   Sorry - I may have muddied the waters. There's...   Jul 15 2008, 09:58 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 05...   Jul 15 2008, 10:18 PM
T.O.Dillinder   Hold on now!!! You can't be seriou...   Jul 15 2008, 10:00 PM
Rob Hood   "Universal healthcare" (as proposed by H...   Jul 15 2008, 11:22 PM
roadracetransam   what was this topic about again?   Jul 15 2008, 11:29 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (roadracetransam @ Jul 15 2008,...   Jul 16 2008, 12:05 AM
cccbock   QUOTE (roadracetransam @ Jul 15 2008, 07...   Jul 16 2008, 01:08 AM
slowTA   Can't afford a new GM... screw that I'm lo...   Jul 16 2008, 12:47 AM
nape   QUOTE (slowTA @ Jul 15 2008, 07:47 PM) Ca...   Jul 16 2008, 04:10 AM
Rob Hood   QUOTE (nape @ Jul 15 2008, 09:10 PM) QUOT...   Jul 16 2008, 04:26 AM
nape   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Jul 15 2008, 11:26 PM) ...   Jul 16 2008, 05:06 AM
Rob Hood   QUOTE (nape @ Jul 15 2008, 10:06 PM) QUOT...   Jul 16 2008, 06:20 AM
Rob Hood   Actually it was about how a leviathan like GM has ...   Jul 16 2008, 01:06 AM
Eugenio_SS   wow... the most political thread ever in this foru...   Jul 16 2008, 04:38 AM
pknowles   I honestly think GM is doing OK and people buy mor...   Jul 16 2008, 01:36 PM
trackbird   Seems that this is a second report to back up the ...   Jul 16 2008, 04:05 PM
00 Trans Ram   See - this is how a political discussion SHOULD ha...   Jul 16 2008, 04:31 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 16 2008, 11:31 ...   Jul 17 2008, 02:01 AM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Jul 16 2008, 10:01 PM) ...   Jul 17 2008, 04:44 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Jul 17 2008, 12:44 AM...   Jul 17 2008, 01:57 PM
T.O.Dillinder   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 17 2008, 08:57 AM)...   Jul 17 2008, 02:30 PM
rpoz-29   Hey Phil, where are you locating to 2 hours south ...   Jul 16 2008, 04:45 PM
pknowles   QUOTE (rpoz-29 @ Jul 16 2008, 12:45 ...   Jul 17 2008, 01:27 PM
Todd   QUOTE (pknowles @ Jul 17 2008, 09:27 AM) ...   Jul 17 2008, 01:42 PM
nape   I wish I had an online stock trading account last ...   Jul 17 2008, 01:13 AM
Rob Hood   No cats allowed...   Jul 17 2008, 02:02 AM
rpoz-29   I have 2 ferrets. Elvis and Jerry Lee.   Jul 17 2008, 02:41 AM
sgarnett   I see the Camaro press release mentioned "exc...   Jul 17 2008, 11:14 AM
trackbird   I still have 4 cats, but the hellion is now in the...   Jul 17 2008, 02:35 PM
prockbp   I'm not worried about GM. If they can't a...   Jul 18 2008, 03:13 AM
Rob Hood   QUOTE (prockbp @ Jul 17 2008, 08:13 PM) I...   Jul 18 2008, 03:58 AM
Mean Green Z28   I'm not surprised that they are in this situat...   Jul 18 2008, 03:32 AM

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