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Rob Hood
post Jul 15 2008, 03:06 AM
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http://www.autoextremist.com/current/2008/7/8/rants-453.html

Was listening to some newsradio today - many analysts are painting a bleak picture. Heard that Hummer and Saab were going to be let go, maybe more. I've already seen where Chevy is not sponsoring several NASCAR races next year.

Rick Wagoner is supposed to deliver an announcement tomorrow morning at 0830 EST. Should be worth listening to.

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T.O.Dillinder
post Jul 15 2008, 10:00 PM
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Hold on now!!! You can't be serious! The government making sure you are taking your medicine! This does not describe a free state. That is stepping way over the line and infriging on my presonal liberty, freedom.

We lost that a long time ago.

I am going to piss some people off now.

I was raised in Janesville, WI. Home to Tahoes and Suburbans, besides Texas and Mexico.
This plant which started as a tractor plant in 1909, will be closing by 2010.
Janesville's economy is based on the GM plant and other manufacturing and supply lines in and around Janesville.
This closing affects my brother who works for Lear Seating Corp on the assembly line making $ 18.00 p/hr., and his wife who works on the assembly line at GM who makes $ 22.00 p/hr. The economy here is going to implode like a blackhole.
My Grandfather was one of the original "Sit-Downers" in the late 1940's, and he and my father both retired from GM.
I have a couple of Uncles that have worked and retired. Even my Uncle Harold " Vernel" (he developed the rigging to install the windshields for the 55 Chevy Belairs and became Plant Manager for the Cadillac Plant in Michigan- he retired in the late 70's)
Especially in my Grandfather's time and even during my Fathers time (he retired in 1996 after 31 years) Unions were needed.
Now days, the Unions are bad as the "FatCats". The are not about protection of GOOD employess, but lining their pockets. The Bigger the pay, the Bigger the Union Dues.
I use to be a Union Steward at Alcoa, so I know, I have been there and seen it, and been in Union Negotiations. What a Nightmare.

The Salaried Paycuts are going to be at the expense of the Middle Management and on down employees. Supervisors, Engineers, Customer Service Reps, etc.
Do you think Wagoneer or Lutz are going to take a pay cut, or give away their "Golden Parachutes"? I think not.

There are so many things that can be fixed and changed overall, it is mind boggling, but as a culture I do not see any of us taking a paycut, can't afford to.

Small Business owners pay taxes for earnings for their business, and pay taxes for their personal earnings. Isn't that a load of bull.

Free Trade agreements have killed us. Thanks Clinton.
Very few people take pride in American things, or even being American. Just look at all of the Political Correctness bull pucky.
African American, Mexican American, Irish American, etc. etc..
Last I knew, if you were born here, you are an American.Period.
I am probably preaching to the choir, but damn, we need Reganomics again.
The Economy was great during Regans second term, Bush Sr.'s term and Clinton's first term. Then the Democrats had to screw it up. And I come from a traditionally Democratic Party Family.
Now the Dems want to tax the Oil Companies more, who is going to pay for it in the end? Us, John and Jane Q. Public.
It just seems as of late it has been spiraling deeper and deeper into an economic abyss.

I am just thankful I have a new 40 hr job in Madison in the Medical Industry, and able to still have this small business of mine to let it grow and nurture. I am thankful to be able to provide for my family, and be able to do some of the things we like. We do not own nice shiny new vehicles, but the are mine lock, stock and barrel. I am glad I can say I am debt free so I can weather this economic turn.
I wish my younger brother's family could say the same.

Sorry for letting some frustrations out on here.

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Rob Hood   the future of GM...   Jul 15 2008, 03:06 AM
poSSum   Tough times for sure.   Jul 15 2008, 09:31 AM
sgarnett   I hate to say this, but it seems like a terrible t...   Jul 15 2008, 11:56 AM
trackbird   http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/15/news/compa...dex.h...   Jul 15 2008, 02:32 PM
Rob Hood   I think what surprises me is that the price of oil...   Jul 15 2008, 02:39 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Jul 15 2008, 10:39 AM) ...   Jul 15 2008, 03:03 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 15 2008, 11:03 AM)...   Jul 15 2008, 05:11 PM
Rob Hood   So drilling our way out of this really isn't g...   Jul 15 2008, 03:23 PM
marka   Howdy, Not to mention, "drilling our way out...   Jul 15 2008, 03:48 PM
sgarnett   If you think about it though, gas(oline) prices ha...   Jul 15 2008, 03:53 PM
CamaroFS34   I don't buy the "gas costs" argument...   Jul 15 2008, 03:55 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (marka @ Jul 15 2008, 11:48 AM) Thi...   Jul 15 2008, 04:04 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 15 2008, 12...   Jul 15 2008, 04:11 PM
00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (marka @ Jul 15 2008, 11:11 AM) Can...   Jul 15 2008, 04:54 PM
roadracetransam   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 09:54 ...   Jul 15 2008, 05:27 PM
CMC #37   QUOTE Couldn't agree more! I used to live ...   Jul 15 2008, 05:44 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 12...   Jul 15 2008, 06:48 PM
00 Trans Ram   One problem (certainly not the only, and maybe not...   Jul 15 2008, 04:22 PM
Rob Hood   Universal health care will bankrupt the country fa...   Jul 15 2008, 05:11 PM
Rob Hood   Oil price fell about 9 bucks last week too, then s...   Jul 15 2008, 05:16 PM
CMC #37   Eugenio, what can you tell us about Canadian healt...   Jul 15 2008, 05:20 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Jul 15 2008, 01...   Jul 15 2008, 06:56 PM
poSSum   QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Jul 15 2008, 12:20 PM) E...   Jul 15 2008, 09:41 PM
00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (poSSum @ Jul 15 2008, 04:41 PM) QU...   Jul 15 2008, 10:00 PM
poSSum   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 05:00 ...   Jul 16 2008, 03:37 AM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Jul 15 2008, 01:20 PM) E...   Jul 15 2008, 10:34 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Jul 15 2008, 06:34 PM...   Jul 16 2008, 05:18 AM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 16 2008, 01:18 AM)...   Jul 16 2008, 07:32 PM
sgarnett   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Jul 15 2008, 06:34 PM...   Jul 16 2008, 02:21 PM
firehawkclone   QUOTE (marka @ Jul 15 2008, 08:48 AM) How...   Jul 15 2008, 05:41 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Jul 15 2008, 01:16 PM) ...   Jul 15 2008, 05:56 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 15 2008, 01...   Jul 15 2008, 07:02 PM
CMC #37   QUOTE (marka @ Jul 15 2008, 02:02 PM) How...   Jul 15 2008, 07:07 PM
Rob Hood   I think Julie (and others here who are self-employ...   Jul 15 2008, 06:36 PM
CMC #37   QUOTE "Too expensive" is a cop out. Figu...   Jul 15 2008, 06:57 PM
marka   Howdy, To be fair... My level of knowledge about ...   Jul 15 2008, 07:19 PM
00 Trans Ram   Mark - you've hit the nail on the head in a fe...   Jul 15 2008, 07:38 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 03...   Jul 15 2008, 07:54 PM
roadracetransam   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 12:38 ...   Jul 15 2008, 09:09 PM
00 Trans Ram   Right now, the problem is that there is not enough...   Jul 15 2008, 07:52 PM
Sam Strano   Big business runs the country, it has for a long t...   Jul 15 2008, 08:02 PM
00 Trans Ram   Sorry - I may have muddied the waters. There's...   Jul 15 2008, 09:58 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 05...   Jul 15 2008, 10:18 PM
T.O.Dillinder   Hold on now!!! You can't be seriou...   Jul 15 2008, 10:00 PM
Rob Hood   "Universal healthcare" (as proposed by H...   Jul 15 2008, 11:22 PM
roadracetransam   what was this topic about again?   Jul 15 2008, 11:29 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (roadracetransam @ Jul 15 2008,...   Jul 16 2008, 12:05 AM
cccbock   QUOTE (roadracetransam @ Jul 15 2008, 07...   Jul 16 2008, 01:08 AM
slowTA   Can't afford a new GM... screw that I'm lo...   Jul 16 2008, 12:47 AM
nape   QUOTE (slowTA @ Jul 15 2008, 07:47 PM) Ca...   Jul 16 2008, 04:10 AM
Rob Hood   QUOTE (nape @ Jul 15 2008, 09:10 PM) QUOT...   Jul 16 2008, 04:26 AM
nape   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Jul 15 2008, 11:26 PM) ...   Jul 16 2008, 05:06 AM
Rob Hood   QUOTE (nape @ Jul 15 2008, 10:06 PM) QUOT...   Jul 16 2008, 06:20 AM
Rob Hood   Actually it was about how a leviathan like GM has ...   Jul 16 2008, 01:06 AM
Eugenio_SS   wow... the most political thread ever in this foru...   Jul 16 2008, 04:38 AM
pknowles   I honestly think GM is doing OK and people buy mor...   Jul 16 2008, 01:36 PM
trackbird   Seems that this is a second report to back up the ...   Jul 16 2008, 04:05 PM
00 Trans Ram   See - this is how a political discussion SHOULD ha...   Jul 16 2008, 04:31 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 16 2008, 11:31 ...   Jul 17 2008, 02:01 AM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Jul 16 2008, 10:01 PM) ...   Jul 17 2008, 04:44 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Jul 17 2008, 12:44 AM...   Jul 17 2008, 01:57 PM
T.O.Dillinder   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 17 2008, 08:57 AM)...   Jul 17 2008, 02:30 PM
rpoz-29   Hey Phil, where are you locating to 2 hours south ...   Jul 16 2008, 04:45 PM
pknowles   QUOTE (rpoz-29 @ Jul 16 2008, 12:45 ...   Jul 17 2008, 01:27 PM
Todd   QUOTE (pknowles @ Jul 17 2008, 09:27 AM) ...   Jul 17 2008, 01:42 PM
nape   I wish I had an online stock trading account last ...   Jul 17 2008, 01:13 AM
Rob Hood   No cats allowed...   Jul 17 2008, 02:02 AM
rpoz-29   I have 2 ferrets. Elvis and Jerry Lee.   Jul 17 2008, 02:41 AM
sgarnett   I see the Camaro press release mentioned "exc...   Jul 17 2008, 11:14 AM
trackbird   I still have 4 cats, but the hellion is now in the...   Jul 17 2008, 02:35 PM
prockbp   I'm not worried about GM. If they can't a...   Jul 18 2008, 03:13 AM
Rob Hood   QUOTE (prockbp @ Jul 17 2008, 08:13 PM) I...   Jul 18 2008, 03:58 AM
Mean Green Z28   I'm not surprised that they are in this situat...   Jul 18 2008, 03:32 AM

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