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Rob Hood
post Jul 15 2008, 03:06 AM
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http://www.autoextremist.com/current/2008/7/8/rants-453.html

Was listening to some newsradio today - many analysts are painting a bleak picture. Heard that Hummer and Saab were going to be let go, maybe more. I've already seen where Chevy is not sponsoring several NASCAR races next year.

Rick Wagoner is supposed to deliver an announcement tomorrow morning at 0830 EST. Should be worth listening to.

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post Jul 15 2008, 05:20 PM
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Eugenio, what can you tell us about Canadian health care? So far every Canadian I have spoken to has no complaints and no big Dr. bills. I am sick, sick of our health care system! I am self-employed and it looks like I'll have to get a second job just to pay for health insurance. That's not right.
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post Jul 15 2008, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Jul 15 2008, 01:20 PM) *
Eugenio, what can you tell us about Canadian health care? So far every Canadian I have spoken to has no complaints and no big Dr. bills. I am sick, sick of our health care system! I am self-employed and it looks like I'll have to get a second job just to pay for health insurance. That's not right.

Well... the thing with our health care system, it's far from the best...
Yeah it's free... If I get a heart attack, get into an accident and end up in a coma for 9 months, and need several surgeries... it all costs 0$.

kinda...

our taxes are higher than yours, though.
Nonetheless, we have too many idiots going to hospitals, emergencies for light headaches that minor rest or a tylenol will take care of.
Instead, the engorge the system.
Lineups are long, although it's free.

To speed up or get a bit of better service, ie a private room @ the hopital... that is charged to you or insurance... but nothing compared to your prices.
Now, given the lack of professionalism of the entire health community, since the end-user ain't paying, service sucks, and waiting lists are long for any intervention... unless you are a celebrity, and you bump my friend from getting its Chimio (damm @#$%^er Saku Koivu bumped my friends appointment so he could get treatment when he was diagnosed)

Anyways... private sector is developing, and i'm a believer that Canada is getting into a good path of getting away from too much socialistic programs.
The health care needs a good kick in the ass, employees need to realize no matter if the client, insurance, government is paying the bill... they should offer A1 service... something that would never happen in the US, where ppl are very service oriented and making sure customers are treated well.

Anyway, that's my rant of the day... but at least, it's good to know that no matter my financial situation, my health will always be dealt with.
I dunno how you guys can live knowing that from one day, a health bad luck can ruin your whole life, not only physically, but financially as well.

Also, In some case where critical, and ppl can't get care in fast enough time, the government allows ppl to get the care in the US and they fork the bill... but needs to be approved before hand.

Note that the following isn't included in the freebies:
medication (unless you part of a gov program, elderly, etc)
dental care
eye care (prescription glasses, laser surgery) ... but if you need an eye surgery for medical reasons, it's free

For these 3 items, there are insurances.


Just to finish the argument,

here is what one pays when buying a product for sale.
5% federal tax (used to be 7% 2 years ago, 6% 1 year ago)
7.5% state tax (compounded over the federal one)

ie. 1.05 x1.075 = 1.12875 = 12.875% on purchase of service/goods.

Income tax... well, what about 55% of your income being held and gone... you keeping 45% of your income.
Yet, high % of population with low salaries pay 0 income tax... government doesn't encourage success much there.
Unemployment last ~1yr
Welfare is a joke and abused.
interest paid on mortgage is NOT tax-refundable
property/school taxes are outrageous

car/bikes yearly registrations are outrageous.

ex. me having a perfect driving record (points/accidents), just for the plates, I pay ~$260 / car / yr... ~$420 / yr for camaro because they passed a law on extra $ for cars with more than 4.0l of displacement.
motorcycles are over 1k$ on registrations alone.
This does not include insurance, gas, etc, where you are always charged the famous 13%

You do the math on what is needed to live in a place where it's safe, good freedom, good healthcare, no guns, etc... there is no perfect place.
Canadians dream of the States, Americans dream of Canada... lol


And FWIW, 87 octane regular gasoline is ~$6/gallon here... so gas is cheap in the US.
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post Jul 16 2008, 05:18 AM
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QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Jul 15 2008, 06:34 PM) *
no guns, etc...



Don't start down that path.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 16 2008, 01:18 AM) *
QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Jul 15 2008, 06:34 PM) *
no guns, etc...



Don't start down that path.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

i'm staying on-topic... GM survival making us sick.. lol (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Rob Hood   the future of GM...   Jul 15 2008, 03:06 AM
poSSum   Tough times for sure.   Jul 15 2008, 09:31 AM
sgarnett   I hate to say this, but it seems like a terrible t...   Jul 15 2008, 11:56 AM
trackbird   http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/15/news/compa...dex.h...   Jul 15 2008, 02:32 PM
Rob Hood   I think what surprises me is that the price of oil...   Jul 15 2008, 02:39 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Jul 15 2008, 10:39 AM) ...   Jul 15 2008, 03:03 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 15 2008, 11:03 AM)...   Jul 15 2008, 05:11 PM
Rob Hood   So drilling our way out of this really isn't g...   Jul 15 2008, 03:23 PM
marka   Howdy, Not to mention, "drilling our way out...   Jul 15 2008, 03:48 PM
sgarnett   If you think about it though, gas(oline) prices ha...   Jul 15 2008, 03:53 PM
CamaroFS34   I don't buy the "gas costs" argument...   Jul 15 2008, 03:55 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (marka @ Jul 15 2008, 11:48 AM) Thi...   Jul 15 2008, 04:04 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 15 2008, 12...   Jul 15 2008, 04:11 PM
00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (marka @ Jul 15 2008, 11:11 AM) Can...   Jul 15 2008, 04:54 PM
roadracetransam   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 09:54 ...   Jul 15 2008, 05:27 PM
CMC #37   QUOTE Couldn't agree more! I used to live ...   Jul 15 2008, 05:44 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 12...   Jul 15 2008, 06:48 PM
00 Trans Ram   One problem (certainly not the only, and maybe not...   Jul 15 2008, 04:22 PM
Rob Hood   Universal health care will bankrupt the country fa...   Jul 15 2008, 05:11 PM
Rob Hood   Oil price fell about 9 bucks last week too, then s...   Jul 15 2008, 05:16 PM
CMC #37   Eugenio, what can you tell us about Canadian healt...   Jul 15 2008, 05:20 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Jul 15 2008, 01...   Jul 15 2008, 06:56 PM
poSSum   QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Jul 15 2008, 12:20 PM) E...   Jul 15 2008, 09:41 PM
00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (poSSum @ Jul 15 2008, 04:41 PM) QU...   Jul 15 2008, 10:00 PM
poSSum   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 05:00 ...   Jul 16 2008, 03:37 AM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Jul 15 2008, 01:20 PM) E...   Jul 15 2008, 10:34 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Jul 15 2008, 06:34 PM...   Jul 16 2008, 05:18 AM
Eugenio_SS   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 16 2008, 01:18 AM)...   Jul 16 2008, 07:32 PM
sgarnett   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Jul 15 2008, 06:34 PM...   Jul 16 2008, 02:21 PM
firehawkclone   QUOTE (marka @ Jul 15 2008, 08:48 AM) How...   Jul 15 2008, 05:41 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Jul 15 2008, 01:16 PM) ...   Jul 15 2008, 05:56 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 15 2008, 01...   Jul 15 2008, 07:02 PM
CMC #37   QUOTE (marka @ Jul 15 2008, 02:02 PM) How...   Jul 15 2008, 07:07 PM
Rob Hood   I think Julie (and others here who are self-employ...   Jul 15 2008, 06:36 PM
CMC #37   QUOTE "Too expensive" is a cop out. Figu...   Jul 15 2008, 06:57 PM
marka   Howdy, To be fair... My level of knowledge about ...   Jul 15 2008, 07:19 PM
00 Trans Ram   Mark - you've hit the nail on the head in a fe...   Jul 15 2008, 07:38 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 03...   Jul 15 2008, 07:54 PM
roadracetransam   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 12:38 ...   Jul 15 2008, 09:09 PM
00 Trans Ram   Right now, the problem is that there is not enough...   Jul 15 2008, 07:52 PM
Sam Strano   Big business runs the country, it has for a long t...   Jul 15 2008, 08:02 PM
00 Trans Ram   Sorry - I may have muddied the waters. There's...   Jul 15 2008, 09:58 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jul 15 2008, 05...   Jul 15 2008, 10:18 PM
T.O.Dillinder   Hold on now!!! You can't be seriou...   Jul 15 2008, 10:00 PM
Rob Hood   "Universal healthcare" (as proposed by H...   Jul 15 2008, 11:22 PM
roadracetransam   what was this topic about again?   Jul 15 2008, 11:29 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (roadracetransam @ Jul 15 2008,...   Jul 16 2008, 12:05 AM
cccbock   QUOTE (roadracetransam @ Jul 15 2008, 07...   Jul 16 2008, 01:08 AM
slowTA   Can't afford a new GM... screw that I'm lo...   Jul 16 2008, 12:47 AM
nape   QUOTE (slowTA @ Jul 15 2008, 07:47 PM) Ca...   Jul 16 2008, 04:10 AM
Rob Hood   QUOTE (nape @ Jul 15 2008, 09:10 PM) QUOT...   Jul 16 2008, 04:26 AM
nape   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Jul 15 2008, 11:26 PM) ...   Jul 16 2008, 05:06 AM
Rob Hood   QUOTE (nape @ Jul 15 2008, 10:06 PM) QUOT...   Jul 16 2008, 06:20 AM
Rob Hood   Actually it was about how a leviathan like GM has ...   Jul 16 2008, 01:06 AM
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