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|  Aug 8 2008, 04:15 AM 
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				Aside from the obvious (NASCAR never backs down...), I would be curious what car the support series would run IF the top series did run the ponycars.  I am skeptical of any FWD transmission lasting on the high banks of Daytona.  NASCAR did run V6s in Busch many years ago, but it was still a RWD platform.   I also agree with moving into the 20th century (yes I said 20th, as I doubt NASCAR will ever get into the current century). It isn't that NASCAR can't police the fuel injection systems and other electronics, it's that they WON'T. The teams are already manipulating the ignition boxes as cheap traction control by modifying them to have different timing controls. I have only heard that and not seen any real data to support that. I was surprised at Detroit wanting NASCAR to reduce the schedule (must have been listening to Danica), but do applaud them wanting more road racing, which is something I've wanted as well. The schedule used to be much longer, although it was much more regional then. Many races were run during the week. That's part of how Petty got so many of his wins. They could get rid of one race at New Hampshire, one at Dover, one at Fontana, and maybe one here at Phoenix or Pocono. I like the night race here in the spring, but the November race is the next to last one in the Chase and could prove pivotal (hasn't yet though, IMO). I would like to see Elkhart Lake added and maybe Road Atlanta, but they have current races near them as well. Maybe could swap them out for one of the Chicago/Atlanta dates. Bottom line is the France family needs to wake up and quit acting like Bruton Smith with the pre-race circus atmosphere, the high priced-tickets have got to go, and the cars need to look like cars, not poster children for socialism on wheels. | 
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| No El-Use-O.    Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,368 Joined: 27-December 03 From: SW Michigan Member No.: 52  | Aside from the obvious (NASCAR never backs down...), I would be curious what car the support series would run IF the top series did run the ponycars.  I am skeptical of any FWD transmission lasting on the high banks of Daytona.  NASCAR did run V6s in Busch many years ago, but it was still a RWD platform.   I also agree with moving into the 20th century (yes I said 20th, as I doubt NASCAR will ever get into the current century). It isn't that NASCAR can't police the fuel injection systems and other electronics, it's that they WON'T. The teams are already manipulating the ignition boxes as cheap traction control by modifying them to have different timing controls. I have only heard that and not seen any real data to support that. I was surprised at Detroit wanting NASCAR to reduce the schedule (must have been listening to Danica), but do applaud them wanting more road racing, which is something I've wanted as well. The schedule used to be much longer, although it was much more regional then. Many races were run during the week. That's part of how Petty got so many of his wins. They could get rid of one race at New Hampshire, one at Dover, one at Fontana, and maybe one here at Phoenix or Pocono. I like the night race here in the spring, but the November race is the next to last one in the Chase and could prove pivotal (hasn't yet though, IMO). I would like to see Elkhart Lake added and maybe Road Atlanta, but they have current races near them as well. Maybe could swap them out for one of the Chicago/Atlanta dates. Bottom line is the France family needs to wake up and quit acting like Bruton Smith with the pre-race circus atmosphere, the high priced-tickets have got to go, and the cars need to look like cars, not poster children for socialism on wheels. Aside from really die hard nascar fans the long schedule only undermines the popularity it has. Basically after the first 10 races (because of excitement built during the offseason) interest is lost until the last 10 races...... I LOVE everything that was said in that article...What I'd also like to see is a points system restructure.......Award few points, and only down to 20th place. IMO this would improve racing by adding a perform now desperation to every race. It would also get crashed up junk and people 10 laps down OFF track. The best thing that could happen IMO is that Nascar fall apart from a complete back out from the big 3, and indycar absorb some of the drivers and marketing execs from Nascar. IndyCar has had MUCH better racing for years, and yet it gets horrid ratings. Personally I'd like to see Jeff Gordon, and Tony Stewart in an Indy Car. This post has been edited by ESPCamaro: Aug 8 2008, 12:58 PM | 
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 Rob Hood   Detroit throws the gauntlet at NASCAR...   Aug 8 2008, 03:02 AM
 Rob Hood   Detroit throws the gauntlet at NASCAR...   Aug 8 2008, 03:02 AM 
  StanIROCZ   That was perfect.   Aug 8 2008, 03:21 AM
 StanIROCZ   That was perfect.   Aug 8 2008, 03:21 AM 
  mitchntx   Whoa!
I like what the big 3 are saying, but d...   Aug 8 2008, 03:41 AM
 mitchntx   Whoa!
I like what the big 3 are saying, but d...   Aug 8 2008, 03:41 AM 
  trackbird   It's about time. I'm not a NASCAR fan in t...   Aug 8 2008, 03:53 AM
 trackbird   It's about time. I'm not a NASCAR fan in t...   Aug 8 2008, 03:53 AM
 
  trackbird   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Aug 8 2008, 12:15 AM) ....   Aug 8 2008, 04:21 AM
 trackbird   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Aug 8 2008, 12:15 AM) ....   Aug 8 2008, 04:21 AM

 
  mitchntx   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 8 2008, 07:55 AM) ...   Aug 8 2008, 01:09 PM
 mitchntx   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 8 2008, 07:55 AM) ...   Aug 8 2008, 01:09 PM


 
  Rob Hood   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Aug 8 2008, 06:09 AM) Q...   Aug 9 2008, 06:09 AM
 Rob Hood   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Aug 8 2008, 06:09 AM) Q...   Aug 9 2008, 06:09 AM 
  rmackintosh   NASCRAP heading for trouble......AMEN!   Aug 8 2008, 05:16 AM
 rmackintosh   NASCRAP heading for trouble......AMEN!   Aug 8 2008, 05:16 AM 
  pknowles   About time.  I got into watching NASCAR for 2 seas...   Aug 8 2008, 01:47 PM
 pknowles   About time.  I got into watching NASCAR for 2 seas...   Aug 8 2008, 01:47 PM
 
  T.O.Dillinder   QUOTE (pknowles @ Aug 8 2008, 08:47 AM) I...   Aug 24 2008, 10:46 PM
 T.O.Dillinder   QUOTE (pknowles @ Aug 8 2008, 08:47 AM) I...   Aug 24 2008, 10:46 PM 
  trackbird   Heck, the ASA cars were at least using LS1's, ...   Aug 8 2008, 02:19 PM
 trackbird   Heck, the ASA cars were at least using LS1's, ...   Aug 8 2008, 02:19 PM 
  00 SS   It's about damn time.  These are the things I...   Aug 8 2008, 02:33 PM
 00 SS   It's about damn time.  These are the things I...   Aug 8 2008, 02:33 PM 
  killer_bluebird   ^^ Ditto, I stopped watching because of the way NA...   Aug 8 2008, 03:41 PM
 killer_bluebird   ^^ Ditto, I stopped watching because of the way NA...   Aug 8 2008, 03:41 PM
 
  CMC #37   QUOTE (killer_bluebird @ Aug 8 2008, 10:4...   Aug 8 2008, 05:43 PM
 CMC #37   QUOTE (killer_bluebird @ Aug 8 2008, 10:4...   Aug 8 2008, 05:43 PM 
  trackbird   True, but now that the manufacturers are not makin...   Aug 8 2008, 04:09 PM
 trackbird   True, but now that the manufacturers are not makin...   Aug 8 2008, 04:09 PM
 
  killer_bluebird   QUOTE (trackbird @ Aug 8 2008, 10:09 AM) ...   Aug 8 2008, 05:24 PM
 killer_bluebird   QUOTE (trackbird @ Aug 8 2008, 10:09 AM) ...   Aug 8 2008, 05:24 PM 
  raybob9289   Are you guys ready for the "REAL" Trans ...   Aug 8 2008, 06:08 PM
 raybob9289   Are you guys ready for the "REAL" Trans ...   Aug 8 2008, 06:08 PM
 
  CMC #37   QUOTE (raybob9289 @ Aug 8 2008, 01:08 PM)...   Aug 8 2008, 07:40 PM
 CMC #37   QUOTE (raybob9289 @ Aug 8 2008, 01:08 PM)...   Aug 8 2008, 07:40 PM

 
  trackbird   QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Aug 8 2008, 03:40 PM) QU...   Aug 8 2008, 08:43 PM
 trackbird   QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Aug 8 2008, 03:40 PM) QU...   Aug 8 2008, 08:43 PM 
  slowcamaro   So is any of this legit or is it just more interne...   Aug 8 2008, 07:53 PM
 slowcamaro   So is any of this legit or is it just more interne...   Aug 8 2008, 07:53 PM 
  AllZWay   I know this is a Nascar bash fest....but ALL of th...   Aug 8 2008, 08:30 PM
 AllZWay   I know this is a Nascar bash fest....but ALL of th...   Aug 8 2008, 08:30 PM 
  00 Trans Ram   I wish I was a France. 
Anyone know of a business...   Aug 8 2008, 08:54 PM
 00 Trans Ram   I wish I was a France. 
Anyone know of a business...   Aug 8 2008, 08:54 PM 
  CMC #37   I was being sarcastic about the COT...I think it i...   Aug 8 2008, 09:22 PM
 CMC #37   I was being sarcastic about the COT...I think it i...   Aug 8 2008, 09:22 PM
 
  Rob Hood   QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Aug 8 2008, 02:22 PM) I ...   Aug 9 2008, 05:54 AM
 Rob Hood   QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Aug 8 2008, 02:22 PM) I ...   Aug 9 2008, 05:54 AM 
  Eugenio_SS   I've read this section 3x... and don't und...   Aug 8 2008, 09:23 PM
 Eugenio_SS   I've read this section 3x... and don't und...   Aug 8 2008, 09:23 PM
 
  sgarnett   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Aug 8 2008, 05:23 PM)...   Aug 30 2008, 01:07 AM
 sgarnett   QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Aug 8 2008, 05:23 PM)...   Aug 30 2008, 01:07 AM

 
  roadracetransam   QUOTE (sgarnett @ Aug 29 2008, 06:07 PM) ...   Aug 30 2008, 01:25 AM
 roadracetransam   QUOTE (sgarnett @ Aug 29 2008, 06:07 PM) ...   Aug 30 2008, 01:25 AM


 
  nape   QUOTE (roadracetransam @ Aug 29 2008, 08...   Aug 31 2008, 08:46 PM
 nape   QUOTE (roadracetransam @ Aug 29 2008, 08...   Aug 31 2008, 08:46 PM 
  rpoz-29   One of my beefs with NASCAR is the mandatory tire ...   Aug 9 2008, 12:55 PM
 rpoz-29   One of my beefs with NASCAR is the mandatory tire ...   Aug 9 2008, 12:55 PM 
  nape   I can only speak from personal experience, but the...   Aug 9 2008, 03:16 PM
 nape   I can only speak from personal experience, but the...   Aug 9 2008, 03:16 PM 
  raybob9289   Its Coming!!!!   Aug 24 2008, 09:38 PM
 raybob9289   Its Coming!!!!   Aug 24 2008, 09:38 PM 
  1meanZ   I realize that I'm really right-wing here but ...   Aug 29 2008, 10:36 PM
 1meanZ   I realize that I'm really right-wing here but ...   Aug 29 2008, 10:36 PM|   | 
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