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post May 30 2008, 05:42 PM
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Very Interesting>>>
http://water4gas.com/2books.htm
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http://runyourcarwithwater.com/

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The more heat you take out of the burn, the lower your cylinder pressure, and the less power you make*.

(*if you're not mojorly timing limited)

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post Sep 7 2008, 03:32 AM
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QUOTE (z28tt @ Aug 25 2008, 07:33 AM) *
The more heat you take out of the burn, the lower your cylinder pressure, and the less power you make*.

(*if you're not mojorly timing limited)

A.



As a matter of fact, piston engines do not make power directly from heat. They make torque from the pressure of expanding gases in the combustion chamber pushing on the crown of the pistons. Injecting water into that combustion process in the correct volume causes a tremendously more efficient increase in that pressure, resulting in as much as 30% more torque. This is done while using less fuel (de-richen from 12.5:1 best power A/F to 14.7:1 best heat A/F) during maximum power production. The temperature is less (of course) but as I said, heat doesn't have any real relationship to torque. The engine runs smoother, cooler, cleaner, and gets at least 25% more power. All this with a bottle of pure water, and a simple low pressure injection pump. Mine was a Nissan windshield washer pump. A 1-ton dually 350 SBC with a 10 ft. camper towing a boat up the 10-mile steep grade into the interior of British Columbia on Highway 5 proved the concept. Drilled two holes in the air cleaner lid for small jets (drilled .050" holes in 3/16ths bolts) positioned over the secondary barrels. A momentary contact switch under the gas pedal, and an arming switch to get it all working. Just don't forget to add a little alcohol to the bottle in the winter.

The idea is not at all new. I just copied the basic system used in the Pratt & Whitney R-2800 CB16 18 cylinder aircraft engine used in the DC-6 four-engined airliners of the late '40s. They got an EXTRA 500 BHP for take-off on each engine (that's a total of 2000 BHP, equal to a 5th engine!) when using water injection. The tanks and pumps were quite small, with 6 gallons providing enough for about 40 minutes of extra power. They used 25% LESS fuel during the take-off and climb than when running "dry".
Jets also used the concept to lower turbine inlet temperatures while conserving fuel and increasing power. Both piston and turbine helicopters used it too, for extreme high altitude hover rescues, etc.

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QUOTE (ReEntryRacer @ Sep 6 2008, 10:32 PM) *
QUOTE (z28tt @ Aug 25 2008, 07:33 AM) *
The more heat you take out of the burn, the lower your cylinder pressure, and the less power you make*.

(*if you're not mojorly timing limited)

A.



As a matter of fact, piston engines do not make power directly from heat. They make torque from the pressure of expanding gases in the combustion chamber pushing on the crown of the pistons. Injecting water into that combustion process in the correct volume causes a tremendously more efficient increase in that pressure, resulting in as much as 30% more torque. This is done while using less fuel (de-richen from 12.5:1 best power A/F to 14.7:1 best heat A/F) during maximum power production. The temperature is less (of course) but as I said, heat doesn't have any real relationship to torque. The engine runs smoother, cooler, cleaner, and gets at least 25% more power. All this with a bottle of pure water, and a simple low pressure injection pump. Mine was a Nissan windshield washer pump. A 1-ton dually 350 SBC with a 10 ft. camper towing a boat up the 10-mile steep grade into the interior of British Columbia on Highway 5 proved the concept. Drilled two holes in the air cleaner lid for small jets (drilled .050" holes in 3/16ths bolts) positioned over the secondary barrels. A momentary contact switch under the gas pedal, and an arming switch to get it all working. Just don't forget to add a little alcohol to the bottle in the winter.

The idea is not at all new. I just copied the basic system used in the Pratt & Whitney R-2800 CB16 18 cylinder aircraft engine used in the DC-6 four-engined airliners of the late '40s. They got an EXTRA 500 BHP for take-off on each engine (that's a total of 2000 BHP, equal to a 5th engine!) when using water injection. The tanks and pumps were quite small, with 6 gallons providing enough for about 40 minutes of extra power. They used 25% LESS fuel during the take-off and climb than when running "dry".
Jets also used the concept to lower turbine inlet temperatures while conserving fuel and increasing power. Both piston and turbine helicopters used it too, for extreme high altitude hover rescues, etc.

Nothing is really new. We just forget. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Does this thing work then? Or the idea of it?
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27Cam02   Have anyones using "run your car w/water"?   May 30 2008, 05:42 PM
27Cam02   Found at LS1Tech.. http://ls1tech.com/forums/showt...   May 30 2008, 06:08 PM
JaredT   QUOTE (27Cam02 @ May 30 2008, 12:42 PM) V...   May 30 2008, 06:37 PM
00 Trans Ram   I haven't looked for the technical rebuttal, b...   May 30 2008, 07:33 PM
JustinID   He's talking about "steam cleaning" ...   May 30 2008, 09:16 PM
trackbird   I'm not defending this since it smells of ...   May 30 2008, 10:11 PM
rpoz-29   I haven't seen this since the oil embargo of t...   May 31 2008, 12:47 AM
35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   sounds scary to me.. HHO gas? This is different fr...   May 31 2008, 08:47 PM
gopanoz   There was a segment on local fox channel about thi...   Jun 2 2008, 04:22 AM
RVachon   I wonder if it also gives detailed description how...   Jun 2 2008, 12:49 PM
gopanoz   that has already been done and is free online htt...   Jun 3 2008, 05:57 AM
firechkn   I have the plans to build your own kit. It doesn...   Jun 3 2008, 03:08 PM
00 Trans Ram   Why go to all that trouble? For a couple hundred d...   Jun 3 2008, 03:28 PM
00 SS   Here's the problem I see with all of these sys...   Jun 3 2008, 07:04 PM
firechkn   The alternator is spinning away anyways making ene...   Jun 3 2008, 07:53 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (firechkn @ Jun 3 2008, 03:53 PM) T...   Jun 3 2008, 07:56 PM
00 SS   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jun 3 2008, 01:56 PM) ...   Jun 3 2008, 09:04 PM
firechkn   I guess the only way to tell for sure is to try it...   Jun 3 2008, 10:42 PM
Herron Performance   I have been reading alot about this and it's v...   Jun 6 2008, 05:33 PM
souseless   I've been looking at this and in fact had come...   Jun 11 2008, 01:58 AM
z28tt   The systems disassociate water into Brown's ga...   Jun 11 2008, 04:26 PM
JustinID   Thank you Mike and Andris for adding some sanity t...   Jun 11 2008, 05:48 PM
Alien   But the media would NEVER lie! http://www.wpt...   Jul 31 2008, 02:59 AM
Rob Hood   I have a friend who has installed this contraption...   Jul 31 2008, 06:34 AM
SLICK1851   People use water injection for turbo setups, doesn...   Aug 18 2008, 04:05 AM
Mojave   QUOTE (SLICK1851 @ Aug 17 2008, 11:05 PM)...   Aug 22 2008, 04:19 AM
CMC#5   Guys, guys...you're looking at this all wrong...   Aug 18 2008, 01:10 PM
bsim   Or, they'd be drilling for water by now.   Aug 20 2008, 03:32 AM
Rob Hood   Environmentalists won't let them drill offshor...   Aug 20 2008, 03:36 AM
z28tt   The more heat you take out of the burn, the lower ...   Aug 25 2008, 02:33 PM
ReEntryRacer   QUOTE (z28tt @ Aug 25 2008, 07:33 AM) The...   Sep 7 2008, 03:32 AM
SLICK1851   QUOTE (ReEntryRacer @ Sep 6 2008, 10:32 P...   Sep 11 2008, 03:27 AM
Mojave   QUOTE (SLICK1851 @ Sep 10 2008, 10:27 PM)...   Sep 11 2008, 04:53 AM

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