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KeithO
post May 19 2009, 04:59 PM
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The supposed standards about to be enacted might make performance cars more difficult to get for a while. I am wondering if we aren't looking at new-car performance similar to what we saw from 1973 through around 1987...

This is just more motivation for me to maintain my f-body.

Do you guys think that we will be able to achieve this? Regardless, how slow do you think new cars will get before performance returns?
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post May 20 2009, 04:08 PM
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I'm becoming ever more convinced that "free market" is a euphemism for "swarm of locusts". That doesn't mean I'm in favor of socialism, but I think the free market is desperately in need of some good dampers - economic/political Konis, so to speak.

Currently, everyone is desperately hoping that someone else will do the right or necessary thing so we don't have to, almost regardless of the topic.

Economically, many companies are embracing the "beatings will continue until morale improves" idea. They keep laying off employees and outsourcing more and more work while they wonder why spending is declining. On a personal level, we all know that unless spending picks up, we may lose our jobs, so we have to bump up the saving and cut spending. We (here at Frrax) really need everyone else to drive efficient cars so we don't have to. And so on.

Personally, I think it might be a pretty good thing if it became so expensive to ship that semi-local production became viable again.

Yeah, perhaps I am bitter as I wait to find out if I'm going to be another free market speed bump. There's more layoffs coming after this round, too. They started before the current downturn, and they'll continue afterward, enabled by the continuous stream of Filipino replacements (oops, I mean trainees) that keep rotating through.

Even beyond that though, the free market has an extremely short-term view, and will gleefully sacrifice the future to boost today. Like I said, I'm not advocating communism/socialism/whatever, or price controls and etc, but the free market can't be left entirely to its own mischief either. There's just far too much collateral damage.
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KeithO   New Economy and Emissions Standards   May 19 2009, 04:59 PM
trackbird   The Corvette can do it, or get really close (not s...   May 19 2009, 05:05 PM
CMC#5   I have no idea why in a country with as many intel...   May 19 2009, 06:13 PM
trackbird   Yea, but if you tax fuel to $5 a gallon, you...   May 19 2009, 06:56 PM
mitchntx   Al works in the petroleum industry ... of course h...   May 19 2009, 07:13 PM
00 SS   Well let's take a broader look at this. Right...   May 19 2009, 07:51 PM
00 Trans Ram   stupid - but I don't much care.There is no car...   May 19 2009, 08:35 PM
StanIROCZ   The good thing about this is that cars are going t...   May 19 2009, 08:50 PM
nape   As a middle leaning Democrat, I think I need to ru...   May 20 2009, 03:58 AM
prockbp   39 mpg for cars by 2016.... What is the problem w...   May 20 2009, 06:28 AM
Todd   QUOTE (prockbp @ May 20 2009, 02:28 AM) 3...   May 20 2009, 02:14 PM
CMC#5   I only used the Prius and Fiesta as examples of US...   May 20 2009, 02:07 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (CMC#5 @ May 20 2009, 09:07 AM) Tax...   May 20 2009, 04:21 PM
trackbird   I think you'd be farther ahead to implement a ...   May 20 2009, 02:31 PM
bubba353z   QUOTE (trackbird @ May 20 2009, 10:31 AM)...   May 20 2009, 03:41 PM
00 Trans Ram   I don't get it. The overall environmental impa...   May 20 2009, 02:38 PM
KeithO   I guess I have a unique perspective. I think this...   May 20 2009, 02:49 PM
TOO Z MAXX   QUOTE (KeithO @ May 20 2009, 09:49 AM) I ...   May 25 2009, 11:20 PM
00 SS   Keith, I wouldn't call that opinion unique. I...   May 20 2009, 03:09 PM
sgarnett   I'm becoming ever more convinced that "fr...   May 20 2009, 04:08 PM
CMC#5   No worries Mitch, I know you're easily confuse...   May 20 2009, 05:18 PM
sgarnett   Somewhere between Chicken Little and the Grasshopp...   May 27 2009, 11:41 AM
sgarnett   Al, I'm not even suggesting anything as lofty ...   May 28 2009, 11:22 AM
tx_warrior   QUOTE (sgarnett @ May 28 2009, 06:22 AM) ...   May 28 2009, 02:46 PM
sgarnett   QUOTE (tx_warrior @ May 28 2009, 10:46 AM...   May 28 2009, 03:03 PM
c4racer   And of course, we wouldn't want to do anything...   Jun 4 2009, 05:56 AM
sgarnett   What happened? Oil was cheap for a few months. Tha...   Jun 4 2009, 11:20 AM
cccbock   QUOTE (sgarnett @ Jun 4 2009, 07:20 AM) W...   Jun 4 2009, 01:00 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (cccbock @ Jun 4 2009, 08:00 AM) I ...   Jun 4 2009, 01:35 PM
cccbock   For electric power, I think nuclear and solar are ...   Jun 4 2009, 02:07 PM
CMC#5   Ideally we'd want to be the first to not requi...   Jun 4 2009, 12:51 PM
c4racer   I think the most chilling view into the future of ...   Jun 4 2009, 04:06 PM
Eskimo   QUOTE (c4racer @ Jun 4 2009, 12:06 PM) Wh...   Jun 4 2009, 06:42 PM
KeithO   Eskimo - That was part of the reason that I starte...   Jun 4 2009, 07:14 PM
cccbock   QUOTE (KeithO @ Jun 4 2009, 03:14 PM) Esk...   Jun 5 2009, 03:58 PM
sgarnett   I see a lot of auto parts in my future, but no new...   Jun 4 2009, 11:26 PM
CMC#5   The glass is half full The glass is half empty The...   Jun 5 2009, 08:35 PM
Mojave   QUOTE (CMC#5 @ Jun 5 2009, 03:35 PM) The ...   Jun 6 2009, 01:12 AM
mitchntx   QUOTE (CMC#5 @ Jun 5 2009, 03:35 PM) The ...   Jun 6 2009, 02:03 AM
sgarnett   There is something good that comes from mpg - ligh...   Jun 5 2009, 10:38 PM
sgarnett   Isn't Formula One using regenerative braking n...   Jun 6 2009, 02:18 AM
Mojave   QUOTE (sgarnett @ Jun 5 2009, 09:18 PM) I...   Jun 6 2009, 05:37 AM

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