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post Jun 16 2004, 02:07 AM
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I couldn't help but laugh when I read this... I hate it for the owners but I'm sure they can beat it...

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post Jun 16 2004, 02:26 PM
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I'll not disagree that they seem underbuilt. But, after working for a Mitsubishi dealer as a salesman in 1995, I wouldn't buy one anyway (I stay far, far away from their stuff).

I agree that searching for results online is "slimy". I agree that the cars seem exceedingly fragile. And, I agree that performance cars get "beat on". However, none of that was the original issue. It was the dealer not covering "racing abuse", which is a fair and reasonable thing for them to do (not to do?).

My point was simply that if I race it and I break it, as a rule, I don't expect them to fix it. That's fair.

If the car has a "glass jaw", then that may be a reason to consider a class action suit or to persue some other remedy. I am not a fan of todays "sue me" society, but a class action lawsuit regarding durability and warranty claims may be of merit in a case like this. Though, as someone on that post stated, it may kill both the Evo and Mitsubishi in the process. If Mistubishi goes bankrupt (I don't think they are far from it), there will be no warranty work for anyone.

I agree that the car seems underbuilt and non-reliable. And, I agree with you that "something should be done" about that problem. However, I (as a whole) don't expect dealers to cover things I break while racing. Fair enough?

We are really working with two questions here, Mitsubishi's underbuilt EVO and a more general "should dealers cover racing damage" question. I guess I can sum it up by saying:

"Mitsubishi seems to have a problem on it's hands and needs a viable solution. But expecting any dealer to cover damage from participating in a timed motorsports event is not practical either (if the car with damage has a "known problem" then that situation may need specific rules applied to it)."

I think we are both on the same side here. We agree that the EVO is fragile and may be more prone than most to racing injuries. And, as a rule, track abuse is not covered under warranty, but the EVO may make a special case for extending that coverage.
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bruecksteve   Don't worry about Evo's Sam!!   Jun 16 2004, 02:07 AM
00 Trans Ram   I saw this a few days ago, and thought it was just...   Jun 16 2004, 03:09 AM
98_1LE   QUOTE This is very common but also logical. Subaru...   Jun 16 2004, 03:14 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jun 15 2004, 10:09 PM)I...   Jun 16 2004, 04:07 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (98_1LE @ Jun 15 2004, 10:14 PM)That pr...   Jun 16 2004, 04:08 AM
Nestromo   We will warranty cars with suspension (Ford). But...   Jun 16 2004, 04:25 AM
98_1LE   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jun 15 2004, 10:08 PM)And,...   Jun 16 2004, 11:37 AM
bruecksteve   I think the issue is how the cars were marketed. T...   Jun 16 2004, 12:14 PM
trackbird   Not every failure is race related. But, if they fi...   Jun 16 2004, 01:00 PM
bruecksteve   And that's part of my point, are Z28's and...   Jun 16 2004, 02:10 PM
mitchntx   I've always contended there was a definite and...   Jun 16 2004, 02:22 PM
trackbird   I'll not disagree that they seem underbuilt. B...   Jun 16 2004, 02:26 PM
AllZWay   I think Mitsu surfing the web finding offenders is...   Jun 16 2004, 02:29 PM
Nestromo   I know a fellow with an '03 Z06. Another of h...   Jun 16 2004, 03:08 PM
prockbp   i feel that it is the responsibility of manufactur...   Jun 16 2004, 03:17 PM
bruecksteve   I agree, and if it were your Evo that broke while ...   Jun 16 2004, 03:22 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Jun 16 2004, 08:22 AM)2) a ...   Jun 16 2004, 03:25 PM
Nestromo   QUOTE (prockbp @ Jun 16 2004, 09:17 AM)if you...   Jun 16 2004, 03:38 PM
pknowles   QUOTE How has GM handled the "track" Z06...   Jun 16 2004, 03:39 PM
pknowles   I would also say that the manufacturer has to clea...   Jun 16 2004, 03:47 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (prockbp @ Jun 16 2004, 10:17 AM)i feel...   Jun 16 2004, 03:59 PM
trackbird   Wow, there were 5 posts while I was typing that la...   Jun 16 2004, 04:02 PM
jraskell   QUOTE I can just as easily do a 6000 rpm launch on...   Jun 16 2004, 04:09 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (pknowles @ Jun 16 2004, 10:39 AM)I...   Jun 16 2004, 04:12 PM
Barney   GM walked away from my C5 the first year because i...   Jun 16 2004, 04:27 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Barney @ Jun 16 2004, 11:27 AM)GM walk...   Jun 16 2004, 04:48 PM
Barney   I left it in Ohio at Mallett cars for a year. Aft...   Jun 16 2004, 05:15 PM
mitchntx   So Kevin, are you independently wealthy or a male ...   Jun 16 2004, 05:18 PM
Barney   Dealer... You know I made 1 million dollars raci...   Jun 16 2004, 05:28 PM
pknowles   QUOTE Do a 6000 rpm launch right in front of your ...   Jun 16 2004, 05:40 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Barney @ Jun 16 2004, 12:15 PM)I left ...   Jun 16 2004, 06:24 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (Barney @ Jun 16 2004, 11:28 AM)Dealer....   Jun 16 2004, 07:55 PM
LT4Firehawk   The folks at the Chevy dealership where I had all ...   Jun 16 2004, 08:07 PM
ESPCamaro   My opinion. Don't sell a high performance veh...   Jun 16 2004, 09:46 PM
prockbp   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jun 16 2004, 09:59 AM)I th...   Jun 16 2004, 10:24 PM
98_1LE   I think what you guys are missing is that "de...   Jun 16 2004, 10:33 PM
bruecksteve   So in other words, don't buy any high performa...   Jun 16 2004, 11:01 PM
Formula WS6   what was that comment about timed events void warr...   Jun 17 2004, 02:32 AM
00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jun 15 2004, 10:07 PM)QUOT...   Jun 17 2004, 02:45 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jun 16 2004, 09:45 PM)B...   Jun 17 2004, 02:49 AM
00 Trans Ram   OK, now my "lawyer side" is coming out (...   Jun 17 2004, 02:58 AM
00 Trans Ram   One last thing, then I'll let a few others hav...   Jun 17 2004, 03:05 AM
trackbird   That was very cool of them.   Jun 17 2004, 03:33 AM
CMC #37   Very cool indeed! I have had lots of similar e...   Jun 17 2004, 05:11 AM
AllZWay   This whole Mistu case might be an interesting one ...   Jun 17 2004, 01:15 PM
bruecksteve   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jun 16 2004, 10:05 PM)O...   Jun 17 2004, 01:45 PM
Eric02z   Its the Magnuson-Moss act of 1975.... http://www....   Jun 18 2004, 03:03 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (Eric02z @ Jun 17 2004, 10:03 PM)Its th...   Jun 18 2004, 05:41 AM

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