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post Jun 16 2004, 02:07 AM
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I couldn't help but laugh when I read this... I hate it for the owners but I'm sure they can beat it...

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.ph...25&page=1&pp=15
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post Jun 18 2004, 05:41 AM
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QUOTE (Eric02z @ Jun 17 2004, 10:03 PM)
Its the Magnuson-Moss act of 1975....

http://www.enjoythedrive.com/content/?id=7253

As an ex employee of Jegs High Performance, I'm familiar with that one.

I have found that as I am older these days, I still drive hard, but I don't break things. I broke the 700-R4 in my '89 Formula 11 times (broke 6 sets of planetary gears, the car ran 15's). I destroyed 1 ring and pinion. I swapped to a 5 speed and trashed 3 clutches in less than 10k. It's guys like me that I was saying the dealer should not be held responsible for. There are guys that drive them like they are trying to break them, and they often do (I did). If you beat a car sensless and break it, tough luck. That was what I was trying to explain earlier. If I snap a crankshaft on a stock motor while autocrossing, I'd probably take it back (if I still had a warranty). If I snap it on a road course after running it all day long, I would assume that "I'm buying" (I may ask the dealer to look at it, but I'd not be suprised if they don't cover it). That was the difference I was trying to establish. Some guys just abuse stuff and expect the dealer to cover it. As I said, the guy on his 3rd clutch this year, or the guy who has broken multiple T-56s. If you are on your 4th rear end and still bitching at the dealer to fix it, you need to understand the error of your ways. A lightweight checkbook will usually fix those habits quickly.

I'm not just talking about aftermarket parts on cars, I'm speaking of the "chronic abusers" that buy a car and beat it to death from day one. Then they bitch when things go boom. GM should not have to pay for "abuse" (track or otherwise, though most track guys are less apt to just break stuff by sheer abuse, we may wear it out, but we usually don't just beat it up).

Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got a clutch to toast...... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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bruecksteve   Don't worry about Evo's Sam!!   Jun 16 2004, 02:07 AM
00 Trans Ram   I saw this a few days ago, and thought it was just...   Jun 16 2004, 03:09 AM
98_1LE   QUOTE This is very common but also logical. Subaru...   Jun 16 2004, 03:14 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jun 15 2004, 10:09 PM)I...   Jun 16 2004, 04:07 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (98_1LE @ Jun 15 2004, 10:14 PM)That pr...   Jun 16 2004, 04:08 AM
Nestromo   We will warranty cars with suspension (Ford). But...   Jun 16 2004, 04:25 AM
98_1LE   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jun 15 2004, 10:08 PM)And,...   Jun 16 2004, 11:37 AM
bruecksteve   I think the issue is how the cars were marketed. T...   Jun 16 2004, 12:14 PM
trackbird   Not every failure is race related. But, if they fi...   Jun 16 2004, 01:00 PM
bruecksteve   And that's part of my point, are Z28's and...   Jun 16 2004, 02:10 PM
mitchntx   I've always contended there was a definite and...   Jun 16 2004, 02:22 PM
trackbird   I'll not disagree that they seem underbuilt. B...   Jun 16 2004, 02:26 PM
AllZWay   I think Mitsu surfing the web finding offenders is...   Jun 16 2004, 02:29 PM
Nestromo   I know a fellow with an '03 Z06. Another of h...   Jun 16 2004, 03:08 PM
prockbp   i feel that it is the responsibility of manufactur...   Jun 16 2004, 03:17 PM
bruecksteve   I agree, and if it were your Evo that broke while ...   Jun 16 2004, 03:22 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Jun 16 2004, 08:22 AM)2) a ...   Jun 16 2004, 03:25 PM
Nestromo   QUOTE (prockbp @ Jun 16 2004, 09:17 AM)if you...   Jun 16 2004, 03:38 PM
pknowles   QUOTE How has GM handled the "track" Z06...   Jun 16 2004, 03:39 PM
pknowles   I would also say that the manufacturer has to clea...   Jun 16 2004, 03:47 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (prockbp @ Jun 16 2004, 10:17 AM)i feel...   Jun 16 2004, 03:59 PM
trackbird   Wow, there were 5 posts while I was typing that la...   Jun 16 2004, 04:02 PM
jraskell   QUOTE I can just as easily do a 6000 rpm launch on...   Jun 16 2004, 04:09 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (pknowles @ Jun 16 2004, 10:39 AM)I...   Jun 16 2004, 04:12 PM
Barney   GM walked away from my C5 the first year because i...   Jun 16 2004, 04:27 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Barney @ Jun 16 2004, 11:27 AM)GM walk...   Jun 16 2004, 04:48 PM
Barney   I left it in Ohio at Mallett cars for a year. Aft...   Jun 16 2004, 05:15 PM
mitchntx   So Kevin, are you independently wealthy or a male ...   Jun 16 2004, 05:18 PM
Barney   Dealer... You know I made 1 million dollars raci...   Jun 16 2004, 05:28 PM
pknowles   QUOTE Do a 6000 rpm launch right in front of your ...   Jun 16 2004, 05:40 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (Barney @ Jun 16 2004, 12:15 PM)I left ...   Jun 16 2004, 06:24 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (Barney @ Jun 16 2004, 11:28 AM)Dealer....   Jun 16 2004, 07:55 PM
LT4Firehawk   The folks at the Chevy dealership where I had all ...   Jun 16 2004, 08:07 PM
ESPCamaro   My opinion. Don't sell a high performance veh...   Jun 16 2004, 09:46 PM
prockbp   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jun 16 2004, 09:59 AM)I th...   Jun 16 2004, 10:24 PM
98_1LE   I think what you guys are missing is that "de...   Jun 16 2004, 10:33 PM
bruecksteve   So in other words, don't buy any high performa...   Jun 16 2004, 11:01 PM
Formula WS6   what was that comment about timed events void warr...   Jun 17 2004, 02:32 AM
00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jun 15 2004, 10:07 PM)QUOT...   Jun 17 2004, 02:45 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jun 16 2004, 09:45 PM)B...   Jun 17 2004, 02:49 AM
00 Trans Ram   OK, now my "lawyer side" is coming out (...   Jun 17 2004, 02:58 AM
00 Trans Ram   One last thing, then I'll let a few others hav...   Jun 17 2004, 03:05 AM
trackbird   That was very cool of them.   Jun 17 2004, 03:33 AM
CMC #37   Very cool indeed! I have had lots of similar e...   Jun 17 2004, 05:11 AM
AllZWay   This whole Mistu case might be an interesting one ...   Jun 17 2004, 01:15 PM
bruecksteve   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Jun 16 2004, 10:05 PM)O...   Jun 17 2004, 01:45 PM
Eric02z   Its the Magnuson-Moss act of 1975.... http://www....   Jun 18 2004, 03:03 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (Eric02z @ Jun 17 2004, 10:03 PM)Its th...   Jun 18 2004, 05:41 AM

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