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00 SS
post Aug 15 2011, 11:23 PM
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My daily driver is an 88 Buick Park Ave. Lately, I've been having trouble with it running right when the engine is hot and I restart it. Almost seems to be vapor locking, but it's multiport fuel injection. Ocationally when this happens, I can bleed some "air" or maybe fuel vapor out of the schrader valve on the rail which sometimes helps, sometimes not. It starts, then idles like it's missing badly and the engine won't rev up. So far, I've been able to coax it into working and getting me where I need to go, but I at a bit of a loss as to why this is happening all of a sudden (the last week or so). The weather hasn't been too bad lately and it was certainly hotter earlier in the summer and it ran fine. It seems OK while I'm driving and after it's been allowed to cool down all the way.

The recent maintenance includes:
new fuel filter
new plugs
new coil packs and igniton contol module
Removed and cleaned injectors (really were pretty clean to begin with)

My ideas:
fuel pump is low on pressure allowing the fuel to vaporize in the rail while sitting after driving
Bad presure regulator not holding the pressure up while sitting after driving, or sticking not allowing the vapor to exit and return to the tank.

Any insight or ideads would be appreciated.
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post Aug 16 2011, 06:18 PM
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Thanks guys. I ran the tests above.

Test 1. Pump runs for about 1 second and pressure comes up to about 30 psi.
Test 2. Pressure is steady, watched for about 5 minutes.
Test 3. Car starts and pressure is about 38-39 psi.
Test 4. Vaccum line is dry. Pressure comes up to 42-43 psi but the needle on the gauge is not steady, it seems to pulse rapidly in a 1-2 psi range.

Extra test. With the gauge in place, everything connected normally, and engine running, working the throttle induces a momentary pressure increase to about 42-43 psi. Loss of vaccum causes the regulator to increase pressure.

From the tests above, I think I can rule out a bad regulator. The pump might be going since the initial (key on engine off) pressure is below spec (40-43 psi according to my book). But that could also be the result of the run signal interval being so short. The book I have says it should run for about 2 seconds. It does not run that long. However, cycling the key off and on again does not result in much higher pressure. About 33 psi.

The 38-39 psi at engine running seems about right to me. How can the pump do that if it can only make 30-33 psi with the engine off? It seems that the pump may be going, but it may also be the pump controls.

Any ideas on which it may be? I'd hate to go through the ordeal and expense of replacing the pump and have it still not work and have the real problem be some stupid relay or something.

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00 SS   Engine trouble on the DD   Aug 15 2011, 11:23 PM
wrencher   Your right to suspect the fuel pump by the problem...   Aug 16 2011, 02:00 AM
CrashTestDummy   Yep. Possibly a fuel pump, possibly not. First s...   Aug 16 2011, 12:43 PM
00 SS   Thanks guys. I ran the tests above. Test 1. Pum...   Aug 16 2011, 06:18 PM
cccbock   QUOTE (00 SS @ Aug 16 2011, 02:18 PM) The...   Aug 16 2011, 08:36 PM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (00 SS @ Aug 16 2011, 01:18 PM) Tha...   Aug 17 2011, 03:09 PM
trackbird   I'd also look at the ignition module and the c...   Aug 16 2011, 06:45 PM
00 SS   Kevin, I have admit that the thought of the ignit...   Aug 16 2011, 07:13 PM
z28jeff   I had a very similar problem with my old 96 Jimmy....   Aug 17 2011, 04:23 PM
00 SS   Of course, now that I'm trying to figure it ou...   Aug 18 2011, 03:16 AM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (00 SS @ Aug 17 2011, 10:16 PM) Of ...   Aug 18 2011, 12:35 PM
wrencher   Well 34-40 is running spec regulator connected. ...   Aug 19 2011, 05:00 AM
00 SS   I replaced the pump this afternoon. I now get a f...   Aug 20 2011, 02:26 AM
wrencher   Jump out A & B on the 12 pin diagnostic connec...   Aug 20 2011, 05:27 AM
00 SS   Can you do that while it's running? I don...   Aug 20 2011, 03:52 PM
00 SS   Ok, I tried the jumper wire and it flashed 2 codes...   Aug 20 2011, 06:25 PM
slowTA   Code 12 is normal, it is the lack of RPM signal or...   Aug 20 2011, 07:17 PM
wrencher   Yep 12 is normal... The 41 can be a problem though...   Aug 20 2011, 09:58 PM
00 SS   I've got about 100 miles on it since the fuel ...   Aug 22 2011, 01:53 PM
wrencher   It's possible the CKP (crank) sensor has a fau...   Aug 24 2011, 04:34 AM
StanIROCZ   I don't remember the symptoms but FWIW I had t...   Aug 25 2011, 02:14 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Aug 24 2011, 10:14 PM)...   Aug 25 2011, 11:46 AM
StanIROCZ   QUOTE (trackbird @ Aug 25 2011, 07:46 AM)...   Aug 25 2011, 12:57 PM
00 SS   Well, I think it may be fixed. I ran out of ideas...   Sep 14 2011, 01:47 AM

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