[Chris 96 WS6]

Below you will see a link to a post that was supposed to be discussing the next Camaro. However, I seem to be butting heads with the guy named IZ28 that seems hellbent on proving the IROC-Z is a better handling car than any 4th gen ever made.

I find this very hard to believe considering the improvements in the 4th gen front suspension plus the availablility of 17" tires later on. He's quoting imaginary kid pad numbers like they are gospel.

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread....d=1#post2354233

If anybody is interested, I could use some fact-based assistance. He claims 3rd gens still dominate F-stock to this day...I kinda find this hard to believe.

Not that I am anti-thirdgen, I've owned two of them, including an IROC, so don't take my opposition to this guy the wrong way. I just don't agree with his "facts."

[prockbp]

well... skidpad results are definately useless... the skidpad has absolutely nothing to do with transitions...


as far as autocross goes.. the 4th gens definately have some big disadvantages.. 4th gens are wider and heavier especially if you get into ESP...

width and weight are PHYSICAL limitations.. third gens are faster in autocross..


both third and fourth gen front suspensions do their jobs very well...
stock for stock, the fourth gen front suspension is more stable if you ask me, but keep in mind that i have never driven a brand new third gen... third gens need strut tower braces for stability and fourth gens do not


bottom line is that both cars have suspensions that work very well.. the 4th gen has some serious disadvantages on an autocross course



if 4th gens could compete in ESP, then surely there would allready be some well known LT1 ESP drivers.. it is a lot cheaper to buy an LT1 4th gen than a 3d gen... my car was 5000 bucks and that was a relatively good deal(car was in pretty sad shape when i got it)...

keep in mind that a LT4 Camaro was faster than Sam when Sam won his ESP national championship... but that car had illegal modifications and got disqualified(extended camber slots)


If ESP rules allowed 4th gens to gain more camber, then we would get some more evidence on which front suspension is superior.. but then third geners could blame their losses on the horsepower of LT1/LS1/LT4 engines



how could you ever compare the cars on a road course?.. you can't... if you gave both cars LS1 motors, then the third gen would be lighter up front... if you gave both cars L98 motors, then the 4th gen would gain weight on the front end... there really just isn't a way to come up with a fair comparison


that IZ28 guy is just an enthusiast, not an engineer.... neither one of you is right or wrong... there really isn't enough evidence to entirely prove either of your points of view


i'm excited about seeing this years ESP results... Sam has been running his LS1 car in ESP(i assume he'll run it at nationals) and i think it will be interesting to see how well he does... but even if he does win, it will not be a landslide victory