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I would suggest that you read all the forum rules or be ready to be roasted.

I would suggest you lurk for awhile before stepping in. It is one of the best tech site out there that I know of, but the sites admin. Does not tolerate violations of there rules.

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[quote=Jon A,Jul 29 2004, 12:42 PM] [quote=rmackintosh,Jul 29 2004, 10:50 AM] ...must be a bunch of NON-RACERS then......or some REAL FAKE WANNA BE racers..... [/quote]
You should really check the board out before saying that, Randy. You couldn't be farther off. Yes, racers do what they can to help other racers and I know of no other place on the net where this happens more.

The attitude over there comes from racers not wanting to waste their time answering the same damn questions over and over again asked by street poseurs who want to know which billet shift knob will make their car, "Handle good on the offramps without messing up their 1/4 mile time." From not wanting the tech to be deluted with LS1.com/Corral-type "just because he says 2+2=5 doesn't mean you should be mean to him, everybody is entitled to their own opinion..." type crap. [/quote]
ABSOLUTELY.

Without question the racers help the other racers.

And I completely agree that the same old tech questions are pretty boring. EVEN IF It is a question about something rarely discussed.

I have seen it on this board already. There will be a topic in the S/C forum, with a bunch of replies, and then someone will ask the same question. Or VERY similar.

Also, I agree with DG about the kind of tech we are talking about, that happens at CC.com.
I think he pulls made up/false numbers out of his butt, HOWEVER, if you are not up to speed with everyone else, start busting your butt, and get up to speed.

Here is a perfect example. I have discussed with another board mod about the level in which we are willing to help others who we compete with.

I've been working on something that is generally pretty damn simple. BUT, I have put HOUR UPON HOUR of research into it. Maybe it's just me but in this instance, for others to catch up, they need to bust butt, not have the info given away by me.

(I MAY OR MAY NOT GET TO THE FACT THAT I'M NOT THE JERK THIS MAY MAKE ME SEEM LIKE TO SOME)

Look at it this way. Say you have a direct work partner. And your busting butt all day, while joe shmoe bs's and generally slacks off all day. Most people sure as hell wouldn't want to let that guy take credit for what we accomplished in that day.

HOWEVER, I think that with some effort (see even they need to put forth more effort) WE here at FRRAX.com can avoid the exact same things that they want to avoid, WITHOUT being rude jerks.

With easily searchable database as well as a 'required reading section' that answers most questions before even posting.

About the only thing I would be all for, that portrays a 'we are to good for you attitude' here on FRRAX, is deleting what is the best PHR, LCA's, SFC's etc.


I STILL THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE MORE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS HERE ON FRRAX. I don't see the NEED to go to CC.com. We can simply buckle down as a team, and find out what we need to.

My guess is that my thread about suspension modeling will eventually have alot of good info in it. If anyone showed interest. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

In the meantime maybe I'll do a simple text write up about simple terms that can be looked up. Maybe a sticky for now, and eventually in the tech section archive that Kevin spoke of.


The tech is good at CC.com. The attitude is PISS POOR. There is no reason why, with effort, that we at FRRAX.com, can't have the best of both worlds. Great tech and good people.




[quote=rmackintosh,Jul 30 2004, 04:37 PM] (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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And here I agree with Randy.

NO WAY IN HELL is it EVEN CLOSE to fair or IMO accurate to stereotype F-body owners as lazy.


I HAVE GOT TO THINK that Rand, and I ARE NOT the only ones who feel this way. AND I DO KNOW that we are not the only ones practicing the same way.


I already know what some of you think, and could give a shit...To PROPERLY, AND METICULASLY prep EVEN AN AUTOX car takes A TON of time.

Now this isn't always the case. I've really stepped up car prep/development in the past year. And there IS a big difference between 'just doing' it' and doing the things you need to do THE RIGHT WAY.


IMO NOT ONE OF US, is as lazy as your rant seems to imply. If that were the case we wouldn't be racing F-bodies, and we would be paying someone else to DO EVERYTHING. I just can't, for the most part, consider enthusiasts lazy. At least not at a wholesale level.



[quote=rmackintosh,Jul 31 2004, 12:27 AM-->

Should be a fun toy though....learn GOOD before those brackets....I have heard from Jason and others that STRONG welds are critical in that system....

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Sorry to go off topic but I'll keep it short.

Good welds are mandatory. Stressing GOOD, not pretty.

I have had TWO failures. One I'm not willing to bet was weld related. And would bet otherwise. The bracket bought from Lane Automotive, just simply ripped apart. Flawed designe wasn't braced at the most stressed point. MY BAD.

#2 WAS MY FAULT. In my defence I was using an unfamiler welder. But the stock PHR bracket that I welded to ripped apart near the welds, BUT NOT AT THE WELDS.
Again MY BAD. This one required a new housing.

Dammit didn't I say I would keep it short. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)



One other thing. Jon are you ignoring my thread about modeling because I'm so damn dumb and lazy? :stupid:



Tell you what, and I ask this to benefit many and possibly including YOU...
I really want to KNOW what is going on with the different geometries of the suspensions both front and rear. In my current position I can do the work, but I CAN'T afford the software, especially with future plans for the car/racing budget...

I would still like to double check the measurements. NOT, REPEAT NOT beacause I don't trust your measurements, because I KNOW your the type of guys to take accurate measurments. BUT, because of my own piece of mind, and because eventually I would like to purchase my own software, (Probably Autoware, or Bill Mitchell)

What do you think of taking our measurements, and making say 20 different printouts in various states of rolls, steering angles, bumps, and maybe plug in any different changes we had in mind.

All for a fee, that would be a good bit cheaper than buying our own software, but still worthwhile to you. Possibly putting some money in your pocket if enough guys took advantage of it. (which plenty SHOULD)


What do you think????