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Tommy R
post Oct 5 2004, 05:22 PM
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Hey you all,

I'm looking for information on 4th Gen F-bodies. Specifically, I'm interested in the diff options, gearing differences (rear end and tranny), 1LE vs. base model specs, and any other differences from model year to model year.

For example, I know the '93s are speed density, not mass air. Are there any differences there from a performance or maintenance standpoint? The '93s also had a slightly different T-56 tranny, as I understand it. Were '93 and '94 models not available with 3.42 rear gears? Would a 150 mph speedo indicate that the car has 3.42's? No governor? I remember my old roommate's '94 T/A didn't have the "GT" package and as a result had the 115mph speedo, governor, and maybe even 3.23 gears (instead of 3.42s).

I know in '96 they went OBD-II with dual cats. They're also rated at an insignificant 10 hp more than the '93-'95 models. Of course, in '98 the LS1 came out with much more power. However, the LT1s are obviously still very compeitive in F-Stock, despite the power deficit, iron block, and smaller front brakes. Any particular reason for this? Or are the right people just not running LS1's? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

So, needless to say, I'm intersted in LT1 vs. LS1 differences, too. But, I'll likely stay with the cheaper candidate, i.e. the LT1.

I should point out that I'd mainly be interested in F-Stock, so update/backdate concerns are of less importance. I'm not sure if/when I'd move to ESP.

Thanks in advance,
Tommy
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post Oct 6 2004, 08:11 PM
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Suspension: Any differences among the years of LT1 cars? Obviously a 1LE isn't necessary to win. Any spring rate differences over the years? Sway bar/bushing differences?

All the same. Only suspension option was 1LE. Like you said, that's not really that big a deal, just get some Koni SAs or DAs and stick with stock springs.

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Non-performance stuff: I know the Optispark can be an issue. And changing plugs/wires requires an act of Congress. But, what about the other "mundane" maintenance issues? T-56's and the rear ends seem to hold up well to anything, but drag slick launches. The LT1 sure seems plenty robust. What about steering racks, A/C compressors, window motors, electrical issues, fit-n-finish after 100k miles, etc.? I need to consider the whole package and potential repair costs and daily nuisances are a real consideration. I don't expect BMW interior quality, but just how bad does it get?

FWIW, I'm expecting the suitable candidate to have 100k+ miles. At that point I'm sure it'll be needing lots of maintenance, if not already done. Are bushings a PITA?

Window motors can be somewhat problematical, but that's just because of the design. They'll usually start slowing down long before they fail and give you plenty of warning.

Power steering pumps can also be prone to failure under heavy abuse, at least with roadcourse use. I'm not sure how true that is to autox, I'll let some of the others give feedback on dedicated autox PS failure.

Timing chain will probably be getting very weak by 100K miles. If it hasn't been done, plan on doing it immediately and going with an upgraded unit. While your in there is a good time to go ahead and replace the opti and waterpump. You should be able to go ahead and upgrade to a vented opti too, I know there's at least one place out there that sells a wiring harness adaptor to fit the late model opti to the early harness.

Really there shouldn't be a lot of issues if the car was well maintained. I sold my 95 at 97K miles and it was still in very good condition and fit/finish.

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Diffs: Are all LT1's equipped with some sort of posi? Are they Auburns? I understand the LS1's came with Torsens, but even they have shown to be far from flawless. Do the Auburns wear and need replacement every few years? Suggestions here?

The LT1s (other than SLP cars) all came with Auburns. While they aren't as strong as the Torsen used in the SLP/LS1 cars, it is still a decent unit. I never replaced the stock one on my 95 and it had probably 200 quater mile passes, several autoxes, 10 track days, and 97K miles on it. It was still working like new when I got rid of it.
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Tommy R   Seeking F-Body Tech   Oct 5 2004, 05:22 PM
y5e06   What? Tommy are you thinking of moving to an F-b...   Oct 5 2004, 05:55 PM
Tommy R   Hey Morgan, Yup, I'm considering a move to an...   Oct 5 2004, 06:09 PM
CamaroFS34   Honestly, I prefer the LT1 over the LS1 as well. P...   Oct 5 2004, 06:23 PM
y5e06   go here http://www.1le.net/ also click on manual g...   Oct 5 2004, 06:30 PM
bruecksteve   I'm tired of being 60 hp short of a LS1. It do...   Oct 5 2004, 06:57 PM
y5e06   I didn't really buy it either, but I could swe...   Oct 5 2004, 06:59 PM
CamaroFS34   QUOTE (bruecksteve @ Oct 5 2004, 01:57 PM)I d...   Oct 5 2004, 07:04 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (CamaroFS34 @ Oct 5 2004, 02:04 PM)QUOT...   Oct 5 2004, 07:22 PM
NataSS Inc   Christ almighty guys, let try and resize those pic...   Oct 5 2004, 07:30 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (NataSS Inc @ Oct 5 2004, 01:30 PM)Chri...   Oct 5 2004, 07:36 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Oct 5 2004, 02:36 PM)QUOTE ...   Oct 5 2004, 08:13 PM
Soma07   QUOTE (CamaroFS34 @ Oct 5 2004, 12:23 PM)Oh, ...   Oct 5 2004, 09:04 PM
Sam Strano   Tommy Regan....... I knew it was you. Tommy R, A...   Oct 5 2004, 10:57 PM
TxAgZ28   The ladies man is interested in F-bodies! ...   Oct 5 2004, 11:25 PM
ESPCamaro   IMO the LS1 gains you little on an autox course. ...   Oct 5 2004, 11:39 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Oct 5 2004, 06:39 PM)IMO t...   Oct 5 2004, 11:48 PM
pknowles   QUOTE I was trying to explain that the numbers say...   Oct 6 2004, 01:41 AM
JKDZ28   i have a 93, and have no desire for an LS1   Oct 6 2004, 08:40 AM
shortbus   The LT1's biggest problem is the optispark. O...   Oct 6 2004, 10:27 AM
GaryK   My $.02: I've had a couple LT1 Camaros, ...   Oct 6 2004, 10:58 AM
shortbus   I regularly compete againt LS1 cars. In fact I am...   Oct 6 2004, 11:38 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (shortbus @ Oct 6 2004, 05:27 AM)Otherw...   Oct 6 2004, 12:50 PM
LT4Firehawk   QUOTE (trackbird @ Oct 5 2004, 05:48 PM)What ...   Oct 6 2004, 03:54 PM
shortbus   So what LT4Firehawk is saying.... I need an LT4 i...   Oct 6 2004, 06:12 PM
LT4Firehawk   QUOTE (shortbus @ Oct 6 2004, 12:12 PM)So wha...   Oct 6 2004, 06:36 PM
Tommy R   Hey fellas, Okay, Jason (Soma07), how do you know...   Oct 6 2004, 07:37 PM
LT4Firehawk   QUOTE Suspension: Any differences among the years ...   Oct 6 2004, 08:11 PM
y5e06   Batch fire really isn't that much of an issue....   Oct 6 2004, 09:03 PM
y5e06   oh, At the April national tour My car weighed 345...   Oct 6 2004, 09:10 PM
ESPCamaro   Expect eventual problems with optisparks, diffs, a...   Oct 6 2004, 09:11 PM
2manyfbods   QUOTE Expect eventual problems with optisparks, .....   Oct 6 2004, 09:42 PM
patred   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Oct 6 2004, 03:11 PM)DO NO...   Oct 6 2004, 09:42 PM
robz71lm7   QUOTE (shortbus @ Oct 6 2004, 07:38 AM)I regu...   Oct 6 2004, 10:37 PM
Soma07   Tommy, I recognize you from CC.com I am a frequ...   Oct 7 2004, 01:05 AM
CamaroFS34   In terms of what "goes bad" with a highe...   Oct 7 2004, 02:59 PM
robz71lm7   Mobil 1 is a decent oil, but it's not the best...   Oct 7 2004, 03:54 PM
Sam Strano   QUOTE (CamaroFS34 @ Oct 7 2004, 08:59 AM)ps.,...   Oct 7 2004, 05:14 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (sam@stranoparts.com @ Oct 7 2004, 11:1...   Oct 7 2004, 06:56 PM
sgarnett   Mobil 1 is one of those periodically-debated topic...   Oct 7 2004, 07:07 PM
patred   QUOTE (sam@stranoparts.com @ Oct 7 2004, 11:1...   Oct 7 2004, 07:24 PM
robz71lm7   QUOTE (2manyfbods @ Oct 6 2004, 05:42 PM)By E...   Oct 7 2004, 07:32 PM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (sam@stranoparts.com @ Oct 7 2004, 11:1...   Oct 8 2004, 12:18 AM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (CamaroFS34 @ Oct 7 2004, 08:59 AM)ps.,...   Oct 8 2004, 12:23 AM
Tommy R   Okay, so exactly how do the Firebirds and Camaros ...   Oct 9 2004, 02:39 AM
pknowles   I got a Camaro because I believe the Camaro's ...   Oct 9 2004, 03:05 AM
Tommy R   Thanks, Phil. You touched on some of my weight co...   Oct 9 2004, 03:29 AM
Jabberwocky   Is it okay to run without the t-tops? Locally peop...   Oct 9 2004, 05:20 AM
pknowles   QUOTE Is it okay to run without the t-tops? Locall...   Oct 9 2004, 11:40 AM
patred   Personally, I wouldn't nit-pick about what opt...   Oct 9 2004, 02:13 PM
Tommy R   Thanks, Pat. I agree. I guess what I'm wonde...   Oct 9 2004, 02:47 PM
35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   I ran without my t-roofs in Peru & DC at Nat...   Oct 9 2004, 03:18 PM
Nick   QUOTE (35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS @ Oct 9 ...   Oct 9 2004, 08:01 PM
patred   QUOTE (Tommy R @ Oct 9 2004, 08:47 AM)Thanks,...   Oct 9 2004, 10:43 PM
LT4Firehawk   Here's a list of weights I compiled a while ba...   Oct 9 2004, 11:18 PM
Soma07   QUOTE (pknowles @ Oct 8 2004, 09:05 PM)I got ...   Oct 11 2004, 01:21 AM
bruecksteve   QUOTE (sam@stranoparts.com @ Oct 7 2004, 12:1...   Oct 11 2004, 01:54 AM
CamaroFS34   QUOTE (pknowles @ Oct 8 2004, 10:05 PM)AC bec...   Oct 11 2004, 02:39 PM
pknowles   QUOTE Actually, AC was standard starting in '9...   Oct 11 2004, 02:47 PM
trackbird   I wanted to order a 2002 1LE, but, as I remember, ...   Oct 11 2004, 02:59 PM
robz71lm7   I was going to say, I think a lot of these motor f...   Oct 11 2004, 07:04 PM
Sam Strano   QUOTE (Tommy R @ Oct 8 2004, 08:39 PM)Okay, s...   Oct 12 2004, 11:09 PM
Sam Strano   On the oil front, mileage and all that doesn't...   Oct 12 2004, 11:13 PM
2manyfbods   Sam, What oil do you use?   Oct 12 2004, 11:49 PM
NataSS Inc   Back on the LT1vs LS1. Here is my dyno on my 99 S...   Oct 14 2004, 05:31 PM
robz71lm7   There a bunch of Advanced Induction/Lloyd Elliott ...   Oct 14 2004, 06:06 PM
Sam Strano   QUOTE (2manyfbods @ Oct 12 2004, 05:49 PM)Sam...   Oct 14 2004, 06:30 PM
trackbird   Bang for the buck, I'd buy an LT1 car (I bough...   Oct 14 2004, 06:33 PM
Tommy R   Back on topic from the oil debate..... I drove t...   Oct 21 2004, 03:54 PM
trackbird   I wear a 10.5 shoe as well. If I wear tennis shoes...   Oct 21 2004, 04:12 PM
y5e06   I don't think I've ever noticed this probl...   Oct 21 2004, 05:25 PM
shortbus   I have noticed that (foot hitting the underside) a...   Oct 21 2004, 05:46 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (shortbus @ Oct 21 2004, 12:46 PM)I hav...   Oct 21 2004, 05:49 PM
LT4Firehawk   I had this problem sometimes with my 95 Formula, b...   Oct 21 2004, 05:53 PM
patred   QUOTE (Tommy R @ Oct 21 2004, 09:54 AM)It was...   Oct 21 2004, 05:56 PM

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