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Absolut Speed
post Mar 16 2005, 06:23 PM
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Last fall, GM announced a reduction in GTO production and had to offer large rebates on this brand new model to sell off inventory

In December, GM had a 301 day supply of SSR's on hand.

Then the XLR gets a production cut from 23 to 12 a day. There's a 200 day supply of them out there. Cadillac hoped to sell 6,000 annually, but through 18 months, sold just 4,744.

February, GM decides to cut $1500-$2000 off the sticker mid-year on Trailblazers/Envoys/Rainiers and currently has 0% for 60 months to get them selling again. TrailBlazer sales fell 46% compared with January 2004. Envoy sales were off 52% and Rainier 27% according to Autodata reports.

Then for March, the factory that produces the LaCrosse & Grand Prix is shutting down for a week.

Then the earnings forecast for 2005 drops 80%. Stocks drop to 8 year low.

I think this goes back to cutting the Camaro and Firebird out of the lineup.
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post Mar 16 2005, 10:52 PM
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I was kidding about the Camaro/Firebird thing, but the list of attributable faults is so long....

Rebates are certainly a huge issue. They are a nice advert once, but then they cheapen the car, and then you can't get away from them.

Pricing is an issue, as noted with the $2000 MSRP drop in some Trailblazer/Envoys. I think it can be reasonably argued the GTO and SSR were overpriced.

Stigma of poor overall quality from prior decades. It's going to take a lot of time to overcome the perception of lesser quality, that's assuming they are near Honda/Toyota standards now.

Sourcing Chinese engines (personal lament). I was hoping to replace my wife's Bravada with an Equinox, as she likes the ride height of an SUV, and I like throwing the dog in the back along with camping gear. But don't think I can with the Chinese motor, especially when its cousin, the Saturn VUE gets a Honda engine, built in Ohio, that comes with 50 more hp and better fuel mileage.

Bad sales forecasting (see the original post)

Interior quality with cheap plastics and plenty of squeaks.

Interior design has not been one of GM's strengths in recent times.

They're still making overweight cars. The SSR ended up as a pig, and with a lot less hp than initially speculated.

Seen the HHR? It's a PT Cruiser style ride, complete with throwback looks and 4 banger on a compact car chassis, that's arriving 5 years after the PT Cruiser first started cruising the streets. That's what I call behind the curve.

GM was supposed to be at the forefront of hybrid/electric design with the EV1, but the first hybrid success is the Honda Insight and the Toyota Prius. Then Ford rolls out a hybrid compact SUV just one year after Chevy finally launches a respectable compact SUV. And what does GM do in response, delay the launch of the hybrid VUE.

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Absolut Speed   Get it together GM   Mar 16 2005, 06:23 PM
rmackintosh   GM is "hurtin' for certain" these da...   Mar 16 2005, 07:10 PM
trackbird   I think there is a lot at work here. Consider tha...   Mar 16 2005, 07:12 PM
pknowles   I agree with Randy, other then the vette, some cad...   Mar 16 2005, 07:33 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 02:33 PM)I agr...   Mar 16 2005, 07:44 PM
pknowles   QUOTE Sure they do, they have that abomination of ...   Mar 16 2005, 07:48 PM
trackbird   You can't polish a turd. It's sad that th...   Mar 16 2005, 07:51 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (trackbird @ Mar 16 2005, 01:44 PM)Othe...   Mar 16 2005, 10:17 PM
rpoz-29   When I bought my Camaro, I received an email from ...   Mar 16 2005, 10:42 PM
Absolut Speed   I was kidding about the Camaro/Firebird thing, but...   Mar 16 2005, 10:52 PM
00 SS   I have to agree. GM has very little I would consi...   Mar 16 2005, 11:03 PM
jensend   Just don't get it. Enthusiasts, like those on...   Mar 16 2005, 11:31 PM
Jeff97FST/A   Given the choice between a Kobalt/Malibu/Monte Car...   Mar 16 2005, 11:37 PM
trackbird   Randy, I fully understand the German car issues. ...   Mar 16 2005, 11:58 PM
rmackintosh   Yikes! I just heard that about VW's......   Mar 17 2005, 12:09 AM
JonV   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 01:33 PM)I...   Mar 17 2005, 12:28 AM
94bird   You know, all of you missed one of the biggest con...   Mar 17 2005, 03:30 AM
pknowles   QUOTE I would like to go test drive the new Dodge ...   Mar 17 2005, 03:48 AM
94bird   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 11:48 PM)The ...   Mar 17 2005, 03:53 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 16 2005, 10:30 PM)Regardl...   Mar 17 2005, 04:04 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Mar 16 2005, 07:09 PM).....   Mar 17 2005, 04:15 AM
TOO Z MAXX   I just bought a new truck a few months ago and I w...   Mar 17 2005, 05:06 AM
Eugenio_SS   they used to be innovative and take risks... they ...   Mar 17 2005, 05:41 AM
Absolut Speed   The pension problem (and it's a BIG problem) h...   Mar 17 2005, 06:10 AM
Rob Hood   Have had very few problems with my 99 Z; 59K miles...   Mar 17 2005, 06:13 AM
35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 16 2005, 01:33 PM)Also ...   Mar 17 2005, 06:42 AM
Absolut Speed   QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Mar 17 2005, 12:13 AM)The w...   Mar 17 2005, 07:42 AM
Teutonic Speedracer   These talks of German cars......you guys ever try ...   Mar 17 2005, 12:04 PM
77chevy   Just thought I'd add my lil .02. GM is hurtin...   Mar 17 2005, 01:05 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (trackbird @ Mar 16 2005, 10:15 PM)I to...   Mar 17 2005, 01:12 PM
Eugenio_SS   looks like Toyota is taking a lot of market share....   Mar 17 2005, 01:45 PM
Soma07   QUOTE (Teutonic Speedracer @ Mar 17 2005, 06:...   Mar 17 2005, 01:59 PM
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AllZWay   GM only makes a hand full of vehicles that most pe...   Mar 17 2005, 05:02 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (AllZWay @ Mar 17 2005, 12:02 PM)I woul...   Mar 17 2005, 05:05 PM
WS6WRX   trackbird, don't buy an Mcoupe w/ out doing so...   Mar 18 2005, 12:49 AM
94bird   QUOTE (35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS @ Mar 17...   Mar 18 2005, 03:42 AM
94bird   QUOTE (trackbird @ Mar 17 2005, 12:04 AM)QUOT...   Mar 18 2005, 03:51 AM
rpoz-29   My dad was the parts manager at a local Chevrolet ...   Mar 18 2005, 01:21 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 17 2005, 09:51 PM)Things ...   Mar 18 2005, 04:04 PM
JonV   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 16 2005, 09:30 PM)You kno...   Mar 18 2005, 04:25 PM
LT4Firehawk   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 17 2005, 09:51 PM)The UAW...   Mar 18 2005, 04:39 PM
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Trance   I'd take the cheap Korean car at this point. ...   Mar 29 2005, 06:06 AM
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