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McCall
post Mar 22 2005, 12:11 AM
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GM pulls plug on '08 line of cars - Product czar Bob Lutz wants to
speed new trucks, SUVs to market faster.
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0.../A01-123402.htm

If the Zeta program is dead, that means the new Camaro/GTO is pretty much dead. Boy those guys at GM are idiots....

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post Mar 23 2005, 12:40 AM
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Found this in AutoTech daily recently. It's a little different spin on the previous posts:

GM PUTS THE BRAKES ON REAR-DRIVE ZETA MODELS
General Motors Corp. has halted development of up to four rear-wheel-drive midsize
vehicles that were due to be launched in North America in three years, according to
several media reports. The vehicles—including the next-generation Pontiac GTO—were
to be built on GM’s Zeta platform, which is expected to still be used for applications
outside North America.
The move is said to have been initiated by Vice Chairman Bob Lutz after it was determined
the vehicles couldn’t be engineered and produced as cost effectively as competitive
rear-drive models such as the hot-selling Chrysler 300 and new Ford Mustang. The
decision also allows GM to shift resources to the development of new full-size pickups
and SUVs that are due next year.
In addition to the GTO, the Zeta platform was expected to be the basis for new
Chevrolet and Buick models—possibly reviving the Camaro nameplate and giving life to a
production version of last year’s Buick Velite concept car. The current GTO shares a platform
with the Holden Monaro and is produced in Australia.
An internal GM memo circulated last week said the vehicles have been put on hold
until further notice by the current business climate, according to some reports. Although
the automaker acknowledges the Zeta platform programs have been stopped, officials
insist new approaches are being analyzed for future midsize rear-drive vehicles.
Those new models may eventually be shifted to the existing Monaro-GTO platform or
the Sigma architecture that carries the Cadillac CTS and STS sedans and SRX crossover
vehicles. But this likely would delay introduction by at least a year.

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In the same issue they spoke of showing a SS version of the Trailblazer with a 391 HP version of the LS2 in it and 20" wheels. Hehe, the 0-60 was touted as 5.7s. Heck, notice above that one of the reasons GM is killing the Zeta platform is it's not as cost effective of a RWD platform as the LX (Charger, Magnum, 300) for Chrysler and the Mustang for Ford. Now, they're coming out with a SS Trailblazer that SRT already has covered handily with a Grand Cherokee. GM's other SS will be a 250 HP V6 Monte Carlo (FWD). Ugh. I'm with you guys. GM is making some outright stupid marketing decisions.

It's in the headlines lately that they will offer "early retirement" to about 28% of their white collar workers asap.

It's heartbreaking.
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McCall   New Camaro = D.O.A.??   Mar 22 2005, 12:11 AM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (McCall @ Mar 21 2005, 06:11 PM)Boy tho...   Mar 22 2005, 12:27 AM
axoid   On fastlane.gmblogs.com Bob posted a follow up to ...   Mar 22 2005, 01:02 AM
rushman   QUOTE perhaps even a few with a trace of nostalgia...   Mar 22 2005, 01:20 AM
TOO Z MAXX   "with a little bit of nostalga baked in...   Mar 22 2005, 01:26 AM
Absolut Speed   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Mar 21 2005, 06:27 PM)What...   Mar 22 2005, 02:34 AM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Mar 21 2005, 06:27 PM)QUOT...   Mar 22 2005, 02:58 AM
Teutonic Speedracer   Why can't GM start making cars we want? They ...   Mar 22 2005, 03:07 AM
trackbird   Damn, we may be FMRRAX.com soon (F-body Mustang...   Mar 22 2005, 04:20 AM
slowTA   :stupid:   Mar 22 2005, 04:39 AM
sgarnett   QUOTE (axoid @ Mar 21 2005, 08:02 PM)On fastl...   Mar 22 2005, 12:17 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (sgarnett @ Mar 22 2005, 07:17 AM)We di...   Mar 22 2005, 01:17 PM
tom97ss   Nostalgia = Underpowered Cars of the mid to late ...   Mar 22 2005, 02:14 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (tom97ss @ Mar 22 2005, 09:14 AM)Nostal...   Mar 22 2005, 02:33 PM
AllZWay   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Mar 21 2005, 08:58 PM)QU...   Mar 22 2005, 02:51 PM
y5e06   ah, just face it. We'll all have to become Fo...   Mar 22 2005, 02:58 PM
2000Z-71   Why do I have a feeling the nostalgia will be a re...   Mar 22 2005, 05:07 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (2000Z-71 @ Mar 22 2005, 12:07 PM)...   Mar 22 2005, 05:18 PM
robz71lm7   QUOTE (2000Z-71 @ Mar 22 2005, 12:07 PM)...   Mar 22 2005, 08:35 PM
bobbylee   I've bought my last GM product...That's wh...   Mar 22 2005, 08:46 PM
slowTA   QUOTE (y5e06 @ Mar 22 2005, 09:58 AM)ah, just...   Mar 22 2005, 09:59 PM
JKnight   QUOTE GM does not make anything I am interested in...   Mar 22 2005, 10:12 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (y5e06 @ Mar 22 2005, 08:58 AM)ah, just...   Mar 22 2005, 11:19 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (JKnight @ Mar 22 2005, 04:12 PM)QUOTE ...   Mar 22 2005, 11:22 PM
94bird   Found this in AutoTech daily recently. It's a ...   Mar 23 2005, 12:40 AM
pknowles   SS Monte Carlo, haven't we learned that hotrod...   Mar 23 2005, 01:55 AM
CMC #37   QUOTE QUOTE (y5e06 @ Mar 22 2005, 08:58 AM) ah, ju...   Mar 23 2005, 01:59 AM
Absolut Speed   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Mar 22 2005, 05:19 PM).....   Mar 23 2005, 02:12 AM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (Absolut Speed @ Mar 22 2005, 08:12 PM)...   Mar 23 2005, 02:55 AM
bobbylee   QUOTE nah...I've owned a few Fords.....all wer...   Mar 23 2005, 04:35 AM
2000Z-71   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 22 2005, 06:40 PM)The mov...   Mar 23 2005, 06:25 AM
sgarnett   Between my wife and I, we currently own a 2001 Che...   Mar 23 2005, 12:56 PM
AllZWay   QUOTE (bobbylee @ Mar 22 2005, 10:35 PM)I...   Mar 23 2005, 02:37 PM
94bird   QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 22 2005, 09:55 PM)SS Mo...   Mar 24 2005, 12:18 AM
CMC #37   Omni GLH (goes like hell), Caroll Shelby car. Fun ...   Mar 24 2005, 01:35 AM
00 Trans Ram   Well, here's the short list of the next cars t...   Mar 24 2005, 02:59 AM
94bird   No offense to you ESPers out there, but the Evo is...   Mar 24 2005, 04:31 AM
robz71lm7   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 23 2005, 11:31 PM)No offe...   Mar 24 2005, 04:59 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (robz71lm7 @ Mar 23 2005, 11:59 PM)QUOT...   Mar 24 2005, 02:32 PM
mjf454   I've said all along that GM has no interest in...   Mar 24 2005, 04:05 PM
pknowles   QUOTE Out here 91 octane is $2.50 a gallon, a...   Mar 24 2005, 04:13 PM
trackbird   Phil, I'm with you. I drive 13 miles to work (...   Mar 24 2005, 04:50 PM
94bird   SHELBY MUSTANG NAME IS BACK WITH A VENGEANCE Ford...   Mar 25 2005, 02:13 AM
McCall   QUOTE (axoid @ Mar 21 2005, 07:02 PM)On fastl...   Mar 26 2005, 12:20 AM
94bird   GM is obviously going through some very bad times ...   Mar 26 2005, 04:13 AM
McCall   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 25 2005, 10:13 PM)GM is o...   Mar 26 2005, 05:58 PM
94bird   Hmm, all they're doing is lowering their stick...   Mar 26 2005, 06:05 PM
sgarnett   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 26 2005, 01:05 PM)Hmm, al...   Mar 26 2005, 07:38 PM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (94bird @ Mar 23 2005, 10:31 PM)No offe...   Mar 26 2005, 09:39 PM
RWB____s   Rest assured, we remain committed to developing RW...   Mar 26 2005, 09:44 PM
McCall   More wonderful GM news today: GM's decision t...   Mar 29 2005, 03:33 AM
94bird   Bob Lutz did say that yes, but notice how quickly ...   Mar 29 2005, 11:42 PM
prockbp   i know how we all feel about the Zeta being cancel...   Apr 2 2005, 04:50 AM
94bird   You know, not very long ago I would have said the ...   Apr 2 2005, 04:56 AM
McCall   I think the sales of the Mustang as well as the re...   Apr 4 2005, 05:29 PM
pknowles   QUOTE QUOTE (pknowles @ Mar 22 2005, 09:55 PM) S...   Apr 4 2005, 06:05 PM
rpoz-29   At least at my local Chevy dealer, EVERYTHING is l...   Apr 4 2005, 10:51 PM
McCall   Update: Cadillac may share Sigma architecture; Bui...   Apr 5 2005, 07:13 PM
94bird   Don't forget, the first car that Lutz will put...   Apr 5 2005, 11:53 PM
McCall   Fresh news today: Who Gets the Needle First - Bui...   Apr 14 2005, 04:44 AM
McCall   Zeta light? GM looking for ways to build high-perf...   Apr 19 2005, 03:35 AM
cdb95z28   QUOTE Lutz: U.S. engineers need more hands-on trai...   Apr 21 2005, 01:56 AM
94bird   Jason, the 300's chassis is not from Mercedes....   Apr 22 2005, 03:04 AM
1LEThumper   It has nothing to do with hands on, health costs, ...   Apr 22 2005, 03:17 AM
94bird   Tony, I wouldn't worry too much about competin...   Apr 22 2005, 03:25 AM
1LEThumper   Well I was just using that as an example....the Mi...   Apr 22 2005, 03:30 AM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (1LEThumper @ Apr 21 2005, 21:17)It has...   Apr 22 2005, 05:46 AM
McCall   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Apr 21 2005, 23:46)...so...   Apr 22 2005, 10:50 PM
00 Trans Ram   Well, I must honestly admit that I really could ca...   Apr 25 2005, 02:08 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Apr 25 2005, 08:08)I si...   Apr 25 2005, 07:47 PM

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