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Member ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 52 Joined: 24-February 05 From: Plano, TX Member No.: 666 |
GM pulls plug on '08 line of cars - Product czar Bob Lutz wants to
speed new trucks, SUVs to market faster. http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0.../A01-123402.htm If the Zeta program is dead, that means the new Camaro/GTO is pretty much dead. Boy those guys at GM are idiots.... McCall |
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Mar 23 2005, 04:35 AM
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Member ![]() Group: Advanced Members Posts: 185 Joined: 12-July 04 From: Haltom City, TX Member No.: 396 |
QUOTE nah...I've owned a few Fords.....all were CRAP....wouldn't waste my time on another one Not trying to turn this into a Ford vs GM vs Dodge things. but... I have always liked GM for high performance and Ford for transportation. I've put about 5 times the miles on Fords than on GM vehicles. 99.9% of them trouble free too. Here's my take on all of this crap: Dodge - will be running until the next millenium, too bad there won't be anything left of the vehicle to carry the engine around in, a/c systems self destruct as soon as the warranty is up, electrical switches, circuits, etc are all crap, body integrity is about as bad as you can get. How I know - My dad, co-workers, and friend all bought them. I repaired them too, with regularity. Chevy/GM - still builds a fine powertrain, and has actually improved the rest of the vehicle...if you want something ugly or want a truck. Remember the 70's and 80's? Paint and trim were abominable, interiors fell apart within three years, GM decides that thinner head castings save 1.00 per car so 86 and up cast iron heads suck, most of them were delivered from the factory with pre-installed oil and water leaks. How I know - I owned these POS's in the 70's. Ford - the worst I can say about them is that their ancillary components don't seem to hold up as long as GM's...water pumps. fuel pumps, alternators seem to go with greater regularity. Other than that--- I have owned three Ford trucks and three cars. I still drive my 76 Ford daily. They have all been stone reliable with never a warranty issue. If you want a full size truck, Ford is it. I'm not impressed with the current crop of Ford cars anymore than GM or Chrysler. If I ever buy a new car, it will be Honda or Toyota. .The wife's Toyota 4 Runner is amazing. The way she treats that thing - no problems whatsoever. I can't believe how well it is built and the way things stay together. |
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McCall New Camaro = D.O.A.?? Mar 22 2005, 12:11 AM
ESPCamaro QUOTE (McCall @ Mar 21 2005, 06:11 PM)Boy tho... Mar 22 2005, 12:27 AM
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trackbird Damn, we may be FMRRAX.com soon (F-body Mustang... Mar 22 2005, 04:20 AM
slowTA :stupid: Mar 22 2005, 04:39 AM
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trackbird QUOTE (sgarnett @ Mar 22 2005, 07:17 AM)We di... Mar 22 2005, 01:17 PM
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trackbird QUOTE (tom97ss @ Mar 22 2005, 09:14 AM)Nostal... Mar 22 2005, 02:33 PM
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trackbird QUOTE (2000Z-71 @ Mar 22 2005, 12:07 PM)... Mar 22 2005, 05:18 PM
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CMC #37 QUOTE QUOTE (y5e06 @ Mar 22 2005, 08:58 AM)
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S... Apr 4 2005, 06:05 PM
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