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ESPCamaro
post Jun 19 2005, 11:23 PM
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MY GOD did anyone see what happened. The USGP started SIX CARS. All Michilin tired cars took a warm up lap then parked.

Probably the death of a USGP for a few years.



Sheesh and some people say that the SCCA and NASCRAP is a political mess.....
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post Jun 20 2005, 03:17 PM
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Michelin definitely screwed up; no doubt about it. However, there were a few critical tidbits in the Speed Channel coverage that were barely mentioned:

1) Michelin's backup tires had the same problem.
2) The FIA's pissy response letter clearly put the blame on Michelin, and in effect told anyoine involved to go f*ck themselves. It also hinted that Michelin's future status as a tire supplier for F1 may be in doubt.
3) There was ALREADY a rule change proposal on the books to go to a single tire supplier in the future (along with eliminating the tread grooves).

To me, all the pieces add up to someone at the FIA wanting to oust Michelin anyway, and they seized the opportunity to fortify their position.

Ferrari may have also voiced opposition to the chicane. I don't know, but it wouldn't have taken a genius to see that their reputation and image could only suffer. If they DID oppose it, they were idiots to do so.

The one and only right course of action would have been to add the chicane. Indy was ready to do it. All teams would have been affected equally. Instead, the paying fans were really the ones who were used as pawns (ie screwed), and that's shameful.

Of course, all the FIA can do is pull its sanction. So be it. Run the race without points. At least the fans and sponsors would still get what they paid for. F1 must share part of the blame.

In other words, as far as I'm concerned the FIA and F1 willfully defrauded the fans and sponsors to advance their own agenda.

Michelin screwed up, but at least they had the balls to notify everyone before the race instead of just quietly crossing their fingers and letting people risk their lives.

I don't think the alternate tires or speed limits for the Michelin drivers were the answer. I'm sure someone at Michelin will be fired, but it's really the execs of the FIA and possibly F1 who should be immediately fired - not asked to resign for "personal reasons", but simply FIRED.
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ESPCamaro   USGP. What a political POS race.   Jun 19 2005, 11:23 PM
trackbird   I missed it. Tire issues (based on what I could ga...   Jun 19 2005, 11:33 PM
y5e06   I would have so amazingly pissed if I had paid goo...   Jun 20 2005, 12:37 AM
firehawkclone   Only toyota had an issue(ok 2) and 1 was under bra...   Jun 20 2005, 12:43 AM
SuperMacGuy   It was a joke.. I have some Le Mans and Champ Car ...   Jun 20 2005, 01:52 AM
rmackintosh   ...In my opinion F1 has been a bad joke for MANY y...   Jun 20 2005, 03:43 AM
conemark   I was truly baffled by the childish way that this ...   Jun 20 2005, 10:42 AM
axoid   I was there yesterday and I would like to thank th...   Jun 20 2005, 12:40 PM
sgarnett   Michelin definitely screwed up; no doubt about it....   Jun 20 2005, 03:17 PM
rmackintosh   I don't see why all the people are coming down...   Jun 20 2005, 04:18 PM
beuke23   I personally would still put the blame on Michelin...   Jun 22 2005, 02:56 AM
nape   I watched part of qualifying but that was it. Wha...   Jun 22 2005, 04:40 AM
trackbird   [devil's advocate mode on] Ok....It sucks, I ...   Jun 22 2005, 12:24 PM
robz71lm7   All professional sports suck imo. I'd much ra...   Jun 22 2005, 12:28 PM
Soma07   Below are the words of Paul Stoddart of Minardi. I...   Jun 22 2005, 12:43 PM
trackbird   I wonder what that letter will cost him (fines, et...   Jun 22 2005, 01:03 PM
sgarnett   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jun 22 2005, 07:24)[devil...   Jun 22 2005, 01:58 PM
trackbird   Though, the brake pad "problem" is the c...   Jun 22 2005, 02:25 PM
mitchntx   Designing and building a chicane hours before the ...   Jun 22 2005, 02:28 PM
CMC#5   Wow...Paul has some balls publishing things like t...   Jun 22 2005, 02:31 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Jun 22 2005, 09:28)Also mis...   Jun 22 2005, 02:52 PM
sgarnett   QUOTE (CMC#5 @ Jun 22 2005, 09:31)As to wethe...   Jun 22 2005, 03:02 PM
mitchntx   Clarification: Reasons behind they took a "h...   Jun 22 2005, 03:03 PM
beuke23   QUOTE (trackbird @ Jun 22 2005, 10:52)It...   Jun 22 2005, 06:10 PM
rmackintosh   ....that IS the problem... EVERYONE did what ...   Jun 22 2005, 06:56 PM
beuke23   QUOTE EVERYONE did what "they had to"......   Jun 22 2005, 07:33 PM
35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   I disagree with being able to add a chicane to the...   Jun 22 2005, 10:08 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS @ Jun 22...   Jun 23 2005, 12:22 AM
sgarnett   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Jun 22 2005, 10:03)I realiz...   Jun 23 2005, 12:36 AM
Soma07   QUOTE (35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS @ Jun 22...   Jun 23 2005, 03:40 AM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (Soma07 @ Jun 22 2005, 21:40)QUOTE (35t...   Jun 23 2005, 05:54 AM
mitchntx   QUOTE (Soma07 @ Jun 22 2005, 21:40)QUOTE (35t...   Jun 23 2005, 11:33 AM
sgarnett   The chicane might have been erected two hours befo...   Jun 23 2005, 01:10 PM
mitchntx   That would've been a good thing to do ... In ...   Jun 23 2005, 01:13 PM
sgarnett   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Jun 22 2005, 09:28)We'r...   Jun 23 2005, 01:13 PM
y5e06   QUOTE (35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS @ Jun 22...   Jun 23 2005, 01:16 PM
Soma07   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Jun 23 2005, 05:33)If I rec...   Jun 23 2005, 02:27 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (Soma07 @ Jun 23 2005, 08:27)its not as...   Jun 23 2005, 03:07 PM
beuke23   On a side note, the only bright thing that happen...   Jun 23 2005, 06:49 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (beuke23 @ Jun 23 2005, 12:49)On a side...   Jun 23 2005, 09:30 PM
ESPCamaro   I've got to get ready for Oscoda Pro Solo. Mor...   Jun 23 2005, 10:20 PM
Absolut Speed   RE: USGP. What a political POS race.   Jun 24 2005, 04:50 PM
CMC #37   RE: USGP. What a political POS race.   Jun 26 2005, 05:52 AM
Teutonic Speedracer   RE: USGP. What a political POS race.   Jun 27 2005, 02:12 AM

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