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94bird
post Feb 11 2004, 02:51 AM
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I drove an Audi TT with a DCT (dual clutch transmission). Basically, it's a paddle wheel shifter on the steering wheel, but this thing was amazing. We've been working on a DCT for future applications and driving this car was a revelation about how good things can be with such a system.

A friend and I drove the car for a few minutes before it had to be returned to Borg Warner.

2 paddles. Left one downshifts and right one upshifts. An automatic type shift lever was on the center console. If you put the lever in the S (sport) position, the paddles controlled the shifting. Downshifting entering a corner was SMOOTH and quick. Upshifting was also very quick, but a little more line pressure would have made them a bit firmer. There was obviously an electronic throttle since when it downshifted and blipped the engine rpm you didn't feel a thing in the accelerator pedal. The shifts were not clunky or obtrusive like they are in Ferraris with paddlewheel shifters. Audi's system is MUCH more refined.

No clutch pedal was present in the car and I didn't miss it at all.

I can't say enough about how fun this car was. Heck, I was downshifting and upshifting just for the fun of it to see the engine rpm rise and fall with just the flip of a switch. In S mode the engine would stay in a gear for a period of time (at least 10 seconds) even when you had light throttle application, such as a steady state corner where you wanted to hold a lower gear to be ready for corner exit.

No more missed gears or overrevs, faster shifts, left foot braking, think what that would mean over a few laps on a road course. How about over a 12 hour race? This whole weekend when I thought about my drive in the car all I could do was smile.

Now, what would this be like with a RWD car and about 800 HP? Hmm, we shall see . . .
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Chris 96 WS6
post Feb 13 2004, 05:10 PM
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Bob,

Actually Top Fuel rail dragsters and funny cars do not shift....they don't even have a transmission. a 5 disk clutch is used which is built to slip off the line until 1/2 track where the heat from slippage and 6500hp melts the disks to the friction plates. From there on out it is 1:1 direct drive and the tires grow in diameter due to centrifugal force, which provides a gearing change for the car. You have to rebuild it every run but considering they rebuild the engine every run too its not much additional work, LOL.

So no...high HP drag cars do not shift....they used to run 2 speed powerglides but that was decades ago.

I don't want to change the subject (especially considering this is an autocross/road race board (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) but I do want to post this. Some wild facts about top fuel cars a friend sent me:

* One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine
makes more horsepower than the first 4 rows at the
Daytona 500.

* Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1½
gallons of nitromethane per second; a fully loaded 747
consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less
energy being produced.

* A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough
power to drive the dragster supercharger.

* With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the
supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is
compressed into a near-solid form before ignition.
Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full
throttle.

* At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for
nitromethane the flame front temperature measures 7050
degrees F.

* Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white
flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning
hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by
the searing exhaust gases.

* Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug.
This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.

* Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a
pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from
compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400
degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting
the fuel flow.

* If spark momentarily fails early in the run,
unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and
then explodes with sufficient force to blow cylinder
heads off the block in pieces or split the block in
half.

* In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters
must accelerate at an average of over 4G's. In order
to reach 200 mph well before half-track, the launch acceleration approaches 8G's .

* Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you
have completed reading this sentence.

* Top Fuel Engines turn approximately 540 revolutions
from light to light!

* Including the burnout the engine must only survive
900 revolutions under load.

* The red-line is actually quite high at 9500 rpm.

* The Bottom Line; Assuming all the equipment is paid
off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING
BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimated US $1,000.00 per
second. The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time
record is 4.441 seconds for the quarter mile
(10/05/03, Tony Schumacher). The top speed record is
333.00 mph (533 km/h) as measured over the last 66' of
the run (09/28/03 Doug Kalitta).

Putting all of this into perspective:

You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter
"twin-turbo" powered Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the
road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged and ready to
launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have
the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette
hard up through the gears and blast across the
starting line and past the dragster at an honest 200
mph. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that
moment. The dragster launches and starts after you.
You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an
incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums and
within 3 seconds the dragster catches and passes you.
He beats you to the finish line, a quarter mile away
from where you just passed him.

Think about it, from a standing start, the dragster
had spotted you 200 mph and not only caught, but
nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you
within a mere 1320 foot long race course."
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94bird   I drove the future last week   Feb 11 2004, 02:51 AM
231go   No experience w/ the audi setup, but I have driven...   Feb 11 2004, 03:03 AM
Bud M   Is this in production or development?   Feb 11 2004, 03:18 AM
94bird   Shaun, drive the Audi system in the TT. It's o...   Feb 11 2004, 03:32 AM
231go   The BMW system did have its downfalls, nothing com...   Feb 11 2004, 03:38 AM
94bird   Keep in mind Shaun I didn't love the car. I ju...   Feb 11 2004, 03:46 AM
231go   QUOTE (94bird @ Feb 10 2004, 09:46 PM)Keep in...   Feb 11 2004, 04:00 AM
lateapex   I am hopeful for the dual clutch systems since the...   Feb 11 2004, 05:15 AM
231go   Interesting reading. It also brings up a good poi...   Feb 11 2004, 05:33 AM
94bird   I think based on the descriptions I've read of...   Feb 12 2004, 12:56 AM
tonycook   I've had my M3 with SMG for about a year and i...   Feb 12 2004, 03:24 AM
Chris 96 WS6   Bob, Actually Top Fuel rail dragsters and funny c...   Feb 13 2004, 05:10 PM
2002ssconv   Daimn! And I was thinking it would be cool to...   Feb 15 2004, 03:26 PM

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