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mitchntx
post Feb 17 2004, 05:54 PM
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After watching a some of the coverage of the Daytona 500 this weekend and hearing a lot of discussion about the costs associated with feilding a competitive team and hearing the gnashing of teeth surrounding the dwindling sponsorships and hearing the concerns about enough cars to field a full grid and seeing Waltrip's wild tumble and seeing that tumble re-played on network after network after network ....

I began to wonder ....

Because it's all about the number of minutes a specific sponsor get's it's name on TV, when will a driver, who is an "also ran", purposely wreck his car, just get gleen a few extra minutes of sponsor coverage?

Is it cost effective to spend a $100,000 race car in order to keep a $10 million sponsor?

NAPA received tons of exposure from networks to local TV stations replaying his wreck. I would hate to see that happen on purpose, but ... it has to be there in someone's mind ...
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post Feb 18 2004, 04:49 AM
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I think NAPA and Mikey would stand to gain a LOT more by him winning his third 500 in four years, rather than wrecking.

IMO, almost no race promoter is a racer, and vice versa. A promoter is out to make a profit off of his show, whatever that show may be. And the France's are promoters. The one thing they listen to is money. Sure, Big Bill raced early on, but he recognized a way to make a buck, and began laying the foundations of NASCAR.

Did people get away with cheating or "improvising" in the early years? Yup. Was a "call" made to a certain racer (or racers, or manufacturer)? Probably. The small block Chevy (Gen 1) was basically grown and nurtured early on in NASCAR by Smokey Yunick and others. But I highly doubt that any serious management of the race itself is happening today or for that matter, five to 10 years back. There are too many variables, plus NASCAR has probably tripled its checks and balances in the inspection and rule processes that have now made the cars cookie-cutter, regardless of manufacturer. They (NASCAR) are too concerned about how to manage electronics (traction control of various forms is being used by numerous top teams, IMO).

I too would prefer that NASCAR have some more road courses on its schedule, as long as Bruton Smith doesn't own one of the tracks. The roots of NASCAR are steeped in the tradition of moonshine runners evading the "revenuers," and the modfications to those 'shine cars was a strong starting point for racing cars in the South to begin with.

CART vs IRL - Tony George AND Penske/other CART owners are responsible for the death of a good solid open-wheel road racing series in America. CART for jacking up the costs to extreme proportions, and George for saying one thing and doing another.

One more item - get rid of the restrictor plates, period. Run a short track body (more downforce/drag), cut the carburetor in half (850 to 425), and mandate 9:1 CR. That would remove enough power from the car that the speeds would be manageable. (I'm not against speed, but I don't like the "hornets nest" theory of slowing the cars down. At least this year's 500 had the pack broken up due to the different tire Goodyear brought).

Sorry for the long post...
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mitchntx   Everyone likes a good "Conspiracy Theory"   Feb 17 2004, 05:54 PM
Chris 96 WS6   I don't think Mikey would ever go along with s...   Feb 17 2004, 05:57 PM
trackbird   Guess I don't watch enough TV. I didn't se...   Feb 17 2004, 05:58 PM
Absolut Speed   You certainly wonder how long the cycle can go on ...   Feb 17 2004, 06:48 PM
mitchntx   Don't get me wrong, Chris. I didn't mean t...   Feb 17 2004, 06:57 PM
trackbird   I'm sure the sponsors don't mind much....   Feb 17 2004, 06:59 PM
AllZWay   Yep... I don't think sponsors really care ...   Feb 17 2004, 07:24 PM
rmackintosh   ......well.....I don't put much stock at all i...   Feb 17 2004, 07:44 PM
Zimm   Back when Jordan was running the 7-Up car (I think...   Feb 17 2004, 08:12 PM
Chris 96 WS6   Fights and things...if you know your NASCAR histor...   Feb 17 2004, 08:23 PM
felton316   $100,000 investment for a $10 million do...   Feb 17 2004, 08:46 PM
Chris 96 WS6   There is a marketing firm that spends all week eac...   Feb 17 2004, 08:58 PM
ESPCamaro   Nascar IS american racing. Think what you wan...   Feb 17 2004, 09:09 PM
Chris 96 WS6   Great post Lonnie. Dead on about Cope....wrecks w...   Feb 17 2004, 09:21 PM
ESPCamaro   Yeah, the Cope's 500 win was about a big a flu...   Feb 17 2004, 09:28 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE Nascar IS american racing. UNFORTUNATELY......   Feb 17 2004, 09:56 PM
Chris 96 WS6   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Feb 17 2004, 03:56 PM)UN...   Feb 17 2004, 10:08 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Feb 17 2004, 04:56 PM)Di...   Feb 17 2004, 10:13 PM
ESPCamaro   Randy, I'm not trying to argue with you. Just ...   Feb 17 2004, 10:16 PM
mitchntx   One counter point is that the race lasted another ...   Feb 17 2004, 10:40 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE Randy, I'm not trying to argue with you....   Feb 17 2004, 10:46 PM
ESPCamaro   I do dislike how some of the up and coming america...   Feb 17 2004, 10:52 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE But Open wheel just isn't "there...   Feb 17 2004, 11:03 PM
Chris 96 WS6   Mitch, sorry for getting hung up on the one wreck....   Feb 18 2004, 01:10 AM
sgarnett   I don't buy wrecking for exposure. It may help...   Feb 18 2004, 04:20 AM
sgarnett   BTW, I heard a great comment from MW about the wre...   Feb 18 2004, 04:29 AM
Rob Hood   I think NAPA and Mikey would stand to gain a LOT m...   Feb 18 2004, 04:49 AM
AllZWay   First Note... I am a Nascar fan and actually fan o...   Feb 18 2004, 02:22 PM
Bald54   Watching just about any form of racing is kind of ...   Feb 18 2004, 03:54 PM
mongoosez   Adding my .02 Cope should stick to his "hair...   Feb 18 2004, 07:36 PM
JonV   To me NASCAR is just a good opportunity for an aft...   Feb 18 2004, 10:32 PM
AllZWay   JonV a couple of examples to disprove your theory ...   Feb 18 2004, 10:45 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE JonV a couple of examples to disprove your t...   Feb 18 2004, 11:26 PM
Zimm   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Feb 18 2004, 05:26 PM)IR...   Feb 18 2004, 11:50 PM
JonV   I don't mean to imply that there are no good r...   Feb 19 2004, 12:05 AM
rpoz-29   FWIW, I can remember when the "Grand National...   Feb 19 2004, 01:01 AM
rmackintosh   QUOTE This is the shame of NASCAR. Potentially gre...   Feb 19 2004, 01:16 AM
lateapex   QUOTE (AllZWay @ Feb 18 2004, 05:45 PM)Tony S...   Feb 19 2004, 03:25 AM
AllZWay   I would absolutely love to see IROC ran at several...   Feb 19 2004, 04:30 AM
Rob Hood   IROC should expand its series to six races - two s...   Feb 19 2004, 06:12 AM
sgarnett   QUOTE (AllZWay @ Feb 18 2004, 11:30 PM)I guil...   Feb 19 2004, 01:34 PM
mitchntx   Not trying to get this thread back on topic ... h...   Feb 20 2004, 03:10 AM
Rob Hood   Field is now up to 45 entries as of my posting. h...   Feb 20 2004, 04:17 AM
AllZWay   Mitch... I have been watching the outcome of not e...   Feb 20 2004, 03:32 PM
rmackintosh   ....uh oh.....do I see a chink in the good 'ol...   Feb 20 2004, 06:30 PM
NataSS Inc   Just want to add my .02 I did a short stint in sp...   Feb 20 2004, 08:31 PM
mitchntx   Wind Tunnel with that Despain clown actually made ...   Feb 20 2004, 09:51 PM
robz71lm7   I usually stay out of these NASCAR good or bad thr...   Feb 20 2004, 10:06 PM
lateapex   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Feb 20 2004, 04:51 PM)He sa...   Feb 20 2004, 10:06 PM
Rob Hood   Boyce, Pepsi probably paid for the "mom and p...   Feb 21 2004, 03:05 AM
mitchntx   Bob, why do you think I described my source as ...   Feb 21 2004, 05:32 AM
ESPCamaro   If you need to hear someone thank the local mom an...   Feb 21 2004, 12:36 PM
Rob Hood   When NASCAR first announced the change in the poin...   Feb 21 2004, 04:40 PM
robz71lm7   I'm going to disagree Lonnie. I feel NASCAR h...   Feb 21 2004, 10:12 PM
Chris 96 WS6   Great technical discussion of Nextel Cup motors: ...   Feb 23 2004, 08:02 PM
AllZWay   WOW!!! and not one Nascar bashing post...   Feb 23 2004, 08:55 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE WOW!!! and not one Nascar bashin...   Feb 23 2004, 10:57 PM
Rob Hood   Nah, that's just your jealousy showing...   Feb 24 2004, 02:24 AM
rmackintosh   Wanna bash NASCRAP some more???? How about Joe Ru...   Feb 25 2004, 07:01 PM
mitchntx   Damn Randy ... how much coffee have you had today?   Feb 25 2004, 08:33 PM
AllZWay   Hey... You can't blame those three guys though...   Feb 25 2004, 08:41 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE Hey... You can't blame those three guys ...   Feb 25 2004, 09:02 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE Damn Randy ... how much coffee have you had ...   Feb 25 2004, 09:03 PM
AllZWay   I think Randy has issues that would be best dealt ...   Feb 25 2004, 10:15 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE I think Randy has issues that would be best ...   Feb 25 2004, 10:18 PM

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