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Absolut Speed
post Jan 7 2006, 07:09 PM
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Don't click if you want to see the actual unveiling Monday

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?se...article_id=3124

Be sure to watch the video to see the 360 view.
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post Jan 11 2006, 08:06 AM
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QUOTE (marka @ Jan 9 2006, 16:24)
Howdy,

That's the most hideous interior I've ever seen.

And I've seen a decent number of ricer show car interiors.

Mark

I have seen worse interiors. The new Chrysler Imperial concept car with its iridescent lavender-chrome dash surround/bezel for example:
http://www.seriouswheels.com/2006/2006-Chr...rd-1280x960.htm

The back seat area is no better with its purple neon lighting. And get a load of that trunk form the rear quarter angle:http://www.seriouswheels.com/2006/2006-Chr...le-1280x960.htm
http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2006-Chry...ial-Concept.htm
By the way, this site has all of the full rez pics of the Camaro concept also.

I would guess that the starting price for the big V8 version would be $25,000 in today’s dollars. I won’t guess what the inflation will be between now and 2009. But it could easily cost $35,000 if Delphi, Visteon and most Tier 1 and 2 suppliers are gone. Can you imagine what it would cost a car manufacturer to have to engineer and make its own parts? But I think the deal breaker will be the weight. Probably over 3650. Maybe well over.

The GTO weighs 3820 lbs. with the 6 speed, and at 110.5”, the Camaro’s wheelbase will be almost an inch longer than the current GTO’s (and close to 10” longer than the 4th gen F-body’s). At least the Camaro concept’s overall length is about 1” shorter than the GTO’s. Where will they get 200 to 400 lbs of weight savings? Will the new platform be any lighter? A platform architecture cannot be weight/strength optimized when it must be adaptable to many different vehicles. The weight could come down, but that would increase the price. Their target buyer would rather drive around a few hundred lbs of extra weight than pay an extra $8,000 for something they can’t even see… lightness. You would think that with all of the emphasis on fuel conservation that manufacturers would be engineering lighter vehicles, but every generation just gets heavier. The Corvette is one of the very few exceptions in the last 15 years.

There will surely be 6 or 8 airbags in the car, and maybe a couple of pedestrian airbags on the front like the new S-Class. And they will want to claim that the chassis is XX % more rigid that the last gen. The longer the wheelbase, the more difficult it becomes to maintain or increase rigidity without adding weight. I would not object to a 16” step-over height for tall side rails, but their target demographic wouldn’t even take a test drive. And 10” tall box section side rails would offer greater “side impact” protection than side air bags while saving the cost and weight of the air bags.

You probably won’t be able to get the Z28 version without power seats, windows, door locks, mirrors, memory, remote, 10 speaker 300 watt surround sound, active handling, traction control, head-up display, bluetooth, sun visor microphone, separate (red) starter button, etc. And if there is one option that you want, you probably won’t be able to order it without getting 4 other options you don’t want, because option “packages” make more for the dealer and manufacturer.

I would have to see it in person to tell if I like the looks. I can see from the pics that it would grow on me, except for the front end. I like many of the exterior side and rear elements, but I can't know if they form a cohesive whole without walking around it. And many of those details may change between now and production.

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Absolut Speed   Actual Concept Photo & Vid   Jan 7 2006, 07:09 PM
robz71lm7   I think the concept shows a lot of promise. I thi...   Jan 7 2006, 07:30 PM
slowTA   Ehh, I guess I would buy one but I'm sure they...   Jan 7 2006, 08:18 PM
DanO   Yup, independant rear!! The cad pictures ...   Jan 7 2006, 09:03 PM
KeithO   Needs to be less than $25k for a stripper Z28...   Jan 7 2006, 09:09 PM
35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   It grew on me during the video, at first glance th...   Jan 7 2006, 09:21 PM
robz71lm7   So is it a struts up front? As for IRS I hope i...   Jan 7 2006, 09:42 PM
Formula WS6   where's the firebird?   Jan 7 2006, 10:44 PM
Racer X   QUOTE So is it a struts up front? Yes. QUOTE wher...   Jan 7 2006, 11:31 PM
Absolut Speed   QUOTE (Racer X @ Jan 7 2006, 17:31)No more ne...   Jan 8 2006, 12:07 AM
35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   QUOTE (Formula WS6 @ Jan 7 2006, 16:44)where...   Jan 8 2006, 12:12 AM
SS2win   New styles are usually hard for me to digest. When...   Jan 8 2006, 01:46 AM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (Formula WS6 @ Jan 7 2006, 16:44)where...   Jan 8 2006, 01:58 AM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (Absolut Speed @ Jan 7 2006, 18:07)So G...   Jan 8 2006, 02:00 AM
marka   Howdy, So the Road & Track link doesn't w...   Jan 8 2006, 02:57 AM
bsim   QUOTE So the Road & Track link doesn't wor...   Jan 8 2006, 03:03 AM
slowTA   Put me down for 3700 lbs (for some reason it looks...   Jan 8 2006, 03:21 AM
Rob Hood   http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_...camar...   Jan 8 2006, 03:37 AM
35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   I calll 3800 lbs & $31k sticker   Jan 8 2006, 04:01 AM
TOO Z MAXX   Here it is   Jan 8 2006, 07:26 AM
tom97ss   Needs round tailights. I want to see it in WC ...   Jan 8 2006, 05:15 PM
Rob Hood   Rear fenders look too much like previous generatio...   Jan 8 2006, 06:36 PM
Vracer111   Not bad...but it's going to weigh more than 4t...   Jan 8 2006, 08:29 PM
CMC #37   Looks like a "Goatvette" hybird of the p...   Jan 9 2006, 01:59 AM
Teutonic Speedracer   I couldn't get the link to the video to work, ...   Jan 9 2006, 03:28 AM
35th_Anniversary_AS_Camaro_SS   QUOTE (Vracer111 @ Jan 8 2006, 14:29)And no I...   Jan 9 2006, 04:27 AM
prockbp   3650#'s @ $29,000 for a V6 version   Jan 9 2006, 04:46 AM
Rob Hood   2006 Mustang v6 starts under $20k, so hopeful...   Jan 9 2006, 05:05 AM
Brandon   Im getting the same result this morning.   Jan 9 2006, 01:28 PM
pknowles   I hate the front end of the Camaro concept and I...   Jan 9 2006, 03:51 PM
patred   It just looks too ... um ... big. Like they took ...   Jan 9 2006, 04:14 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (pknowles @ Jan 9 2006, 09:51)I hate th...   Jan 9 2006, 04:49 PM
lt1aggie   For what it's worth:   Jan 9 2006, 05:14 PM
Stang Killer   I call 3800# and 35k dollars.   Jan 9 2006, 07:50 PM
BigEnos   I call it in my garage when they come out, hopeful...   Jan 9 2006, 08:01 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (BigEnos @ Jan 9 2006, 14:01)I call it ...   Jan 9 2006, 08:07 PM
BigEnos   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Jan 9 2006, 14:07)It loo...   Jan 9 2006, 08:16 PM
lt1aggie   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Jan 9 2006, 14:07)QUOTE ...   Jan 9 2006, 08:46 PM
rmackintosh   ...ah...there's the 'ol Camaro back seat w...   Jan 9 2006, 09:07 PM
BigEnos   QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Jan 9 2006, 15:07)...ah....   Jan 9 2006, 09:17 PM
marka   Howdy, That's the most hideous interior I...   Jan 9 2006, 09:24 PM
CMC #37   LOL! I am glad they are NOT bringing back the...   Jan 10 2006, 12:52 AM
lt1aggie   QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Jan 9 2006, 18:52)LOL! ...   Jan 10 2006, 01:38 AM
Teutonic Speedracer   The picture of the burgandy one is growing on me. ...   Jan 10 2006, 02:13 AM
robz71lm7   QUOTE (CMC #37 @ Jan 9 2006, 20:52)LOL! ...   Jan 10 2006, 07:45 PM
robz71lm7   Ahh the Scott S. leghumping is in full bloom: htt...   Jan 10 2006, 08:09 PM
2000Z-71   Please Lord, grant GM the wisdon to build it and m...   Jan 10 2006, 09:21 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (2000Z-71 @ Jan 10 2006, 16:21)Ple...   Jan 10 2006, 09:53 PM
v7guy   alot of the body reminds me of the charger. Can...   Jan 11 2006, 12:08 AM
SuperMacGuy   Its officially out now. All I have to say is ...   Jan 11 2006, 03:46 AM
lateapex   QUOTE (marka @ Jan 9 2006, 16:24)Howdy, That...   Jan 11 2006, 08:06 AM

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