[beuke23]

I came back from the kitchen from making myself iced coffee, and there's JPM and Ganassi talking to the press.

Holy cow. I remembered when Jacques couldn't find a ride and considered NASCAR.

Just stunned me.

[rmackintosh]

Oh, don't get me wrong....you throw that much money at me and I WOULD DRIVE one of them things....I could even hit Cruise Control and sleep through most of it..... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

That is the problem with NASCAR, and most professional sports these days in my opinion....too much is "forgiven" because of the money involved.....a high school kid skips college to go to the NBA and its always...."you can't blame the kid.....he is just doing what's right for him/his family...." JPM in NASCAR is similar...his talents are wasted driving in circles with a bunch of good 'ol boys....although they are slowly getting replaced with "real" drivers....but "in principle" he should showcase his talents AS A ROAD RACER in some other venue....problem is...the money is in NASCAR, and we all say....." I don't blame him for doing it....:


....sigh....and the circus goes on.....F1 is a circus too.....at least it is more along the lines of Cirque du Soliel and not Circus Vargas!

This post has been edited by rmackintosh: Jul 12 2006, 03:53 PM

[marka]

Howdy,

JPM in NASCAR is similar...his talents are wasted driving in circles with a bunch of good 'ol boys....although they are slowly getting replaced with "real" drivers

Um, yeah....

So in a little over a year's time then, we should expect JPM to be the champ right? Since he's a "real" driver?

Please.

You don't need to like the format or the series or the marketing, but any one of the Nextel drivers would most likely dominate in any form of auto racing they chose to participate in.

Mark

[AllZWay]

Howdy,

JPM in NASCAR is similar...his talents are wasted driving in circles with a bunch of good 'ol boys....although they are slowly getting replaced with "real" drivers

Um, yeah....

So in a little over a year's time then, we should expect JPM to be the champ right? Since he's a "real" driver?

Please.

You don't need to like the format or the series or the marketing, but any one of the Nextel drivers would most likely dominate in any form of auto racing they chose to participate in.

Mark

Exactly... Alex Zanard was a complete failure on ovals in a stock car. He pretty much was so embarrassed the chose to quit.

Adrian Fernandez recently said in a magazine that anyone that was making the jump better be prepared for a long learning curve. He admitted he was too old to learn to be good.

Paul Tracy hasn't embarrassed himself, but he isn't lighting the Busch serie

[rmackintosh]

Howdy,

JPM in NASCAR is similar...his talents are wasted driving in circles with a bunch of good 'ol boys....although they are slowly getting replaced with "real" drivers

Um, yeah....

So in a little over a year's time then, we should expect JPM to be the champ right? Since he's a "real" driver?

Please.

You don't need to like the format or the series or the marketing, but any one of the Nextel drivers would most likely dominate in any form of auto racing they chose to participate in.

Mark

Exactly... Alex Zanard was a complete failure on ovals in a stock car. He pretty much was so embarrassed the chose to quit.

Adrian Fernandez recently said in a magazine that anyone that was making the jump better be prepared for a long learning curve. He admitted he was too old to learn to be good.

Paul Tracy hasn't embarrassed himself, but he isn't lighting the Busch serie

Read my post above....these drivers talents are "wasted" BECAUSE they are complete drivers....they can master left AND right hand turns......they can shift a car to manage a car to it's maximum potential.....they can threshhold brake and find the limit of the car in braking....there is NO DOUBT these and MANY MORE "complete" drivers have failed in NASCAR and WILL CONTINUE to fail. Fernandez....not a real shining example of a road racing stud by the way...was partly correct. NASCAR drivers are BRED into the "limited" format of oval racing....they do 1/4 midgets when they are 4 years old....move to sprints, etc, etc......they learn the "art" of managing a car on the limit while making left hand turns at near full throttle from that young age......(now I have simplified the "art" for arguments sake here).....but the reality is....how is a "classically" trained race car driver who is now 35/40 years old gonna compete with a guy who has been mastering the left turn for 25 years?????

Now, I have admitted that NASCAR drivers have skills...and they ARE impressive driving skills....but to think that many of them could compete on ANY road racing series of note is ludacris.....most of them would fare NO BETTER in road racing than Tracy, Fernandez, etc. have fared in NASCAR....if you think different you are kidding yourself! Now there are exceptions....Gordon(s) and Stewart could probably road race successfully...but, on the other hand there is.....BORIS SAID.....(there, I "said" it.....I LOVE that guy!)

...NASCAR is a "form" of racing IMHO.....but because of its marketing/format/emphasis.....it is more of an "entertainment" than a complete form of racing....I know that "rubs some of you the wrong way", for that I am sorry..... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)