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 Dec 13 2007, 12:21 AM
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Experienced Member  Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,086 Joined: 16-January 04 From: Chandler AZ Member No.: 130  |
Hope they paint the mirrors...
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Dec 13 2007, 03:14 AM
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Member Group: Banned Posts: 148 Joined: 27-January 04 From: So. Calif Member No.: 157 |
How about no camoflague at all....
http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show...52_162_full.jpg http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show...52_163_full.jpg http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show...52_164_full.jpg This post has been edited by V6RSR: Dec 13 2007, 05:02 AM |
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Dec 13 2007, 03:54 AM
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Collo Rosso Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,220 Joined: 3-August 05 From: San Antonio, TX Member No.: 839 |
QUOTE (Racer X @ Dec 12 2007, 06:56 PM)  Someone is gonna burn for this one! Looks nice, though. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif) |
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Dec 13 2007, 06:29 AM
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I build race cars Group: Advanced Members Posts: 4,748 Joined: 31-August 05 From: Central coast, CA Member No.: 874 |
QUOTE (dailydriver @ Dec 12 2007, 11:17 AM) QUOTE (Blainefab @ Dec 11 2007, 06:04 PM) Compared to 4th gen: shorter overhangs front and rear - good for aero mods and PMI probably longer wheelbase - good smaller, lighter windshield - good smaller, lighter hatch glass, unless the camo is covering an extension to the spoiler - maybe good very short door window openings - bad for quick exit roof appears deeper at top of door glass - good for tucking halo up there How much weight do you figure could be pulled out of these things (not that it will help the F/Stockers out there any)?? My SWAG is the car will be 200-300# heavier than a 4th gen, maybe half of that increase in steel in the chassis for crashworthiness, and the other half in airbags, electronics and creature comforts. Steel stays, geegaws get tossed, race weight ends up 100-150# more than a 4th gen with similar rules. The smaller front/rear glass will mean less weight loss with Lexan. With a 400hp LS3, IRS and enough rubber it should come off the corners well, but give up some in braking and transitions to the lighter cars. Like I said, tho - just my SWAG. I do expect the stamped steel IRS control arms to spawn a race in the aftermarket to get shiny powder coated tubular arms into the marketplace, but what we really need is a DIY aluminum forge ;-) |
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Dec 13 2007, 05:13 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,441 Joined: 30-December 03 Member No.: 76 |
FWIW.... and not sure it will come to anything, but:
I was contacted by GM after Solo Nationals with questions about what the car would need to be a competitive autocross car. Apparently the Mustang got their attention. Hopefully the act on the information. |
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Dec 13 2007, 05:37 PM
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newbie Group: Members Posts: 20 Joined: 25-March 04 From: S.E. Mass Member No.: 288 |
QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Dec 13 2007, 12:13 PM) FWIW.... and not sure it will come to anything, but: I was contacted by GM after Solo Nationals with questions about what the car would need to be a competitive autocross car. Apparently the Mustang got their attention. Hopefully the act on the information. I've often wondered if auto manufacturers contacted those, such as yourself, on issues like this with upcoming models. This pretty much confirms it... Jeff |
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Dec 13 2007, 06:04 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,528 Joined: 13-January 07 From: Solebury, Pa. Member No.: 1,589 |
QUOTE (Blainefab @ Dec 13 2007, 01:29 AM) QUOTE (dailydriver @ Dec 12 2007, 11:17 AM) QUOTE (Blainefab @ Dec 11 2007, 06:04 PM) Compared to 4th gen: shorter overhangs front and rear - good for aero mods and PMI probably longer wheelbase - good smaller, lighter windshield - good smaller, lighter hatch glass, unless the camo is covering an extension to the spoiler - maybe good very short door window openings - bad for quick exit roof appears deeper at top of door glass - good for tucking halo up there How much weight do you figure could be pulled out of these things (not that it will help the F/Stockers out there any)?? My SWAG is the car will be 200-300# heavier than a 4th gen, maybe half of that increase in steel in the chassis for crashworthiness, and the other half in airbags, electronics and creature comforts. Steel stays, geegaws get tossed, race weight ends up 100-150# more than a 4th gen with similar rules. The smaller front/rear glass will mean less weight loss with Lexan. With a 400hp LS3, IRS and enough rubber it should come off the corners well, but give up some in braking and transitions to the lighter cars. Like I said, tho - just my SWAG. I do expect the stamped steel IRS control arms to spawn a race in the aftermarket to get shiny powder coated tubular arms into the marketplace, but what we really need is a DIY aluminum forge ;-) COOL! Thanks for the educated speculation!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif) |
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Dec 13 2007, 06:09 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,528 Joined: 13-January 07 From: Solebury, Pa. Member No.: 1,589 |
QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Dec 13 2007, 12:13 PM) FWIW.... and not sure it will come to anything, but: I was contacted by GM after Solo Nationals with questions about what the car would need to be a competitive autocross car. Apparently the Mustang got their attention. Hopefully they act on the information. This kind of thing is really hopeful (hope giving?) information!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) Maybe we won't need those D.I.Y. aluminum alloy forges that Alan is talking about afterall?? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/gr_grin.gif) |
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Dec 13 2007, 07:25 PM
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North of the border Group: Admin Posts: 2,307 Joined: 4-February 04 From: Montreal, CANADA Member No.: 177 |
QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Dec 13 2007, 12:13 PM) FWIW.... and not sure it will come to anything, but: I was contacted by GM after Solo Nationals with questions about what the car would need to be a competitive autocross car. Apparently the Mustang got their attention. Hopefully the act on the information. hope you get involved in the suspension/damping choices |
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Dec 13 2007, 07:39 PM
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Collo Rosso Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,220 Joined: 3-August 05 From: San Antonio, TX Member No.: 839 |
Sounds like GM Performance will be mounting a challenge to F-stock autocross in 2009 or 2010. Hope they don't try to pull the same crap they did with the Z0K GXP solstice in A-stock.
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Dec 13 2007, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Dec 13 2007, 12:13 PM) FWIW.... and not sure it will come to anything, but: I was contacted by GM after Solo Nationals with questions about what the car would need to be a competitive autocross car. Apparently the Mustang got their attention. Hopefully the act on the information. Seriously?!?!?!?!?! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif) After they blew me off for even suggesting they talk to you!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Dec 13 2007, 11:59 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 440 Joined: 25-December 03 From: Newport Beach, California Member No.: 41 |
QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Dec 13 2007, 11:13 AM) FWIW.... and not sure it will come to anything, but: I was contacted by GM after Solo Nationals with questions about what the car would need to be a competitive autocross car. Apparently the Mustang got their attention. Hopefully the act on the information. well... are you sworn to secrecy? hearing you say that makes me think that they are simply looking for a sales pitch, especially this late in development |
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Dec 14 2007, 03:41 AM
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Collo Rosso Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,220 Joined: 3-August 05 From: San Antonio, TX Member No.: 839 |
QUOTE (prockbp @ Dec 13 2007, 06:59 PM) QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Dec 13 2007, 11:13 AM) FWIW.... and not sure it will come to anything, but: I was contacted by GM after Solo Nationals with questions about what the car would need to be a competitive autocross car. Apparently the Mustang got their attention. Hopefully the act on the information. well... are you sworn to secrecy? hearing you say that makes me think that they are simply looking for a sales pitch, especially this late in development Late in development? With still over a year until release, it seems like spring/shock/swaybar development (at a minimum) would still be open to change. Especially with the likelihood of multiple packages being available. |
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Dec 14 2007, 04:02 AM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,289 Joined: 4-May 04 From: Kenvil, NJ Member No.: 331 |
Sam, I'm just hoping you mentioned something about race tires being really expensive for 18"+ rims. I can't imagine what a 22" R compound would cost!!
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Dec 14 2007, 06:13 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 440 Joined: 25-December 03 From: Newport Beach, California Member No.: 41 |
QUOTE (BigEnos @ Dec 13 2007, 09:41 PM) QUOTE (prockbp @ Dec 13 2007, 06:59 PM) QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Dec 13 2007, 11:13 AM) FWIW.... and not sure it will come to anything, but: I was contacted by GM after Solo Nationals with questions about what the car would need to be a competitive autocross car. Apparently the Mustang got their attention. Hopefully the act on the information. well... are you sworn to secrecy? hearing you say that makes me think that they are simply looking for a sales pitch, especially this late in development Late in development? With still over a year until release, it seems like spring/shock/swaybar development (at a minimum) would still be open to change. Especially with the likelihood of multiple packages being available. 1 year before production begins is late to me. Think about the time it takes to create tooling for something like this. A "Strano Z28" with spring/shock/swaybar is exactly the kind of sales pitch I'm talking about... i don't doubt that Sam could set the car up to be faster, but i'm concered about other things.... that's why i ask if he's sworn to secrecy about what they discussed |
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Dec 14 2007, 04:57 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,528 Joined: 13-January 07 From: Solebury, Pa. Member No.: 1,589 |
Given the supposed 'portliness' of this thing, I hope that a real, FULL delete 1LE is offered on whatever is going to be the 'Z28' type model. Hopefully they will also offer the option of Konis with valving input from Sam (EVEN if they force one to take double adjustables, and only offer it as a 'trunk kit', along with the other suspension stuff).
BTW; are 'trunk kits' F/Stock legal (were they EVER?), or again was that ONLY legal in Showroom Stock??? This post has been edited by dailydriver: Dec 14 2007, 04:59 PM |
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Dec 14 2007, 06:19 PM
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Collo Rosso Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,220 Joined: 3-August 05 From: San Antonio, TX Member No.: 839 |
QUOTE (dailydriver @ Dec 14 2007, 11:57 AM) Given the supposed 'portliness' of this thing, I hope that a real, FULL delete 1LE is offered on whatever is going to be the 'Z28' type model. Hopefully they will also offer the option of Konis with valving input from Sam (EVEN if they force one to take double adjustables, and only offer it as a 'trunk kit', along with the other suspension stuff). BTW; are 'trunk kits' F/Stock legal (were they EVER?), or again was that ONLY legal in Showroom Stock??? Trunk kits are not solo legal in stock class and would be a disaster for us if that's the only way this stuff is offerred. I'd rather that the 1LE was not "Full Delete" meaning no A/C and other stuff. Make the suspension a line-item and let us choose the rest ourselves. I need to have a car I can drive every day as well as autocross and mandatory A/C delete makes that impossible. |
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Dec 14 2007, 06:47 PM
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CMCer Group: Moderators Posts: 2,932 Joined: 12-February 04 From: the sticks near VIR Member No.: 194 |
I was speaking with a GM "deep throat" the other day and the weight numbers sounded much better than we were guessing here for racing apps. That's all I can say for now. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Dec 14 2007, 06:55 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,086 Joined: 16-January 04 From: Chandler AZ Member No.: 130 |
From a production perspective, it's probably more cost-effective for GM to just install upgraded springs/shocks/sway bars rather than remove weight through deleted options. We are a niche in the scheme of things, and niches don't pay the bills, mass-production does. Sad but true. If GM were to offer a low-weight model it would probably come with a higher price tag.
However, it would be nice if the Z28 or SS came with (at least) better shocks and sway bars right off the showroom floor as part of the standard package. I'm not sure how much spring rate GM could get away with and still provide mass- or near mass-production ride quality. |
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Dec 14 2007, 07:10 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,441 Joined: 30-December 03 Member No.: 76 |
QUOTE (poSSum @ Dec 13 2007, 03:10 PM) QUOTE (Sam Strano @ Dec 13 2007, 12:13 PM) FWIW.... and not sure it will come to anything, but: I was contacted by GM after Solo Nationals with questions about what the car would need to be a competitive autocross car. Apparently the Mustang got their attention. Hopefully the act on the information. Seriously?!?!?!?!?! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif) After they blew me off for even suggesting they talk to you!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I'm not sure it was an official call, but clearly someone wants to know and the number I called back was @ GM and it's someone working on the car. |
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