[conemark]

Take a look and see what's on the horizon:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-content/plu...idg=1&idi=1

http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-content/plu...idg=1&idi=2

http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-content/plu...idg=1&idi=3

http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-content/plu...idg=1&idi=4

http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-content/plu...idg=1&idi=5

http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-content/plu...idg=1&idi=6

[Sam Strano]

I'm not in a position to tell everyone what we discussed. But in basic terms they were curious what I thought it would take to make a competitive car, and if I'd come back and run one if it was (though I'm doubtful they'd give me one). (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

It was a basic "I'd like to see, this, this, and that". As well as some discussion of why the Mustang is a good autox car, and what the could have done better with the older cars.

[Crazy Canuck]

very interesting (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) too bad my cousin doesn't work there anymore... he used to work on the development of the C6 and C6-z06 chassis several years back.

[dailydriver]

Given the supposed 'portliness' of this thing, I hope that a real, FULL delete 1LE is offered on whatever is going to be the 'Z28' type model. Hopefully they will also offer the option of Konis with valving input from Sam (EVEN if they force one to take double adjustables, and only offer it as a 'trunk kit', along with the other suspension stuff).

BTW; are 'trunk kits' F/Stock legal (were they EVER?), or again was that ONLY legal in Showroom Stock???

Trunk kits are not solo legal in stock class and would be a disaster for us if that's the only way this stuff is offerred. I'd rather that the 1LE was not "Full Delete" meaning no A/C and other stuff. Make the suspension a line-item and let us choose the rest ourselves. I need to have a car I can drive every day as well as autocross and mandatory A/C delete makes that impossible.

Point(s) taken and understood. I was just going by all of the fear and loathing concerning the speculative mass of the 5th gens and thinking that every little bit helps. Hopefully, GM will up the power enough to cover the weight gains, but that will only help us 'left and righters' so much (launching off of apexes). I'm sure we would all rather have less mass, lower in the platform than more power to try and compensate for girth.
Yes, the trunk kits ARE a BAD idea!! Like you said let the good suspension be a separate line item. (EVEN stand alone from any 1LE package!)

Sadly, like Rob H. above has stated, we (especially both Showroom Stock wheel to wheelers, and F/Stock axers who would want a full delete/no options 1LE) are an extremely small niche segment of the total market. So yes, it would probably cost GM less to just bolt in different suspension items rather than to delete standard features for weight savings. They could offer a full delete 'club sport' option for a premium (a la the M3 Club Sports of years/generations past), but I doubt it.
Let's just hope one can still order a 1SC car.

[00 SS]

I'm not sure I'd want a 1SC car. Particularly if I planned to daily drive it. Power windows and locks don't weight much over manual units these days. Manual seats are obviously lighter, maybe they could just make those optional. Little things like fog lights and defrosters can't be more than a few pounds. Things like nav systems, heated seats, heated mirrors and more than 2 air bags would be too much for "stripper" model.

[marka]

Howdy,

Rear seat delete.

Manual sport seats.

Spring/bar/wheel package(s)... Imagine your choice of front spring rates with factory part #'s for springs every 50 in-lbs... :-)

Diff options.

Rear gear options.

Mark

(of course, if they do all that, you'd have most of an ESP car... and the car would be classed in AS. :-)

[Pony Exp.305]

Compared to 4th gen:

shorter overhangs front and rear - good for aero mods and PMI

probably longer wheelbase - good

smaller, lighter windshield - good

smaller, lighter hatch glass, unless the camo is covering an extension to the spoiler - maybe good

very short door window openings - bad for quick exit

roof appears deeper at top of door glass - good for tucking halo up there

Never looked at it that way. Alan, you are the man! Thinking as a true fabricator!

I second that...I have Not look at newer camaro.Interesting on A (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/drink.gif) lan's comment..

[conemark]

Start saving your pennies for big blingin' 20's:
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-chevy-...ts/555812/full/

Interior photos can be seen at:
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-chevy-...y-shots/555822/

as well as the rest at:
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-chevy-...y-shots/555819/

Don't these spy jockey's know we want them to get UNDER the car?

[rmackintosh]

Start saving your pennies for big blingin' 20's:
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-chevy-...ts/555812/full/

Interior photos can be seen at:
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-chevy-...y-shots/555822/

as well as the rest at:
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-chevy-...y-shots/555819/

Don't these spy jockey's know we want them to get UNDER the car?

I like the high tech disguise of duct tape on the wheels..... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif)

[BigEnos]

Isn't the underneath gonna be a lot like the G8 (but shorter)?

Man, that interior is pretty foul looking. I hope they improve that a bit.

[00 Trans Ram]

My perceptions:

- Interior is yuck; what's with the steering wheel? It looks like the wheel if offset to the top (top of wheel is farther away from column than the bottom). That'll be funky when doing quick steering inputs.
- The side roof may be nice for a roll cage, but that middle cluster (with the mirror attached) is going to be hell to design around! Either the top windshield bar will be bent, or it's going to impede vision out the windshield. (or, choice C - get rid of the pod or whatever it is)
- Only one of those Camaros has the 20s on it (the bottom one). The top one appears to have 18s or so. And, it looks like 17s would fit (check caliper clearance) if needed.

[Racer X]

As I said on another forum....

What the hell am I supposed to do with gauges down there?

[T.O.Dillinder]

The guage set up is a retro of the first gens.
I'll still take a body in white though.

[Racer X]

The guage set up is a retro of the first gens.

Had a first gen. I understand the aesthetic / sentimental reason for it.

Problem is they're useless down there.

[BigEnos]

The guage set up is a retro of the first gens.

Had a first gen. I understand the aesthetic / sentimental reason for it.

Problem is they're useless down there.

I imagine that the DIC will keep you informed of anything that gets stupid (low fuel, high temp, etc). It's certainly not the best place for them, but I think it's something I can deal with. I really don't like that dash, though. I hope the final product looks nicer.

[BigEnos]

Bob says "No more camo!"

http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives/2008/...the_camaro.html

[prockbp]

http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/2009-chevy...ts/555815/full/

is that an El Camino on the right?

[Rob Hood]

Throw the whole interior out and start over - NOW. That is the most unappealing dash/radio/HVAC combo I've seen. Whoever drew the Aztek apparently got promoted...

Hope they stay with the smooth-finished wheels (no rivets). Easier to keep clean.

Wonder if the ol' slapstick auto-shifter will make a comeback...are the auto shifters even mechanically connected to the transmissions anymore?

Still hoping for a flush grille hidden-headlight RS option too.

[marka]

Howdy,

The dash overall doesn't horrify me all that much, but I do think the "dash boobs" that (presumably) hold the tach/speedo look a little dorky. And the guages down in front of the shifter is certainly putting style over function. Can't say I like that much, though I think they look fine down there.

Mark

[nape]

http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/2009-chevy...ts/555815/full/

is that an El Camino on the right?

That's a Holden Ute.

[Todd]

unfortunately they let the US designers have control of the interior design. cheap and crude. its okay in my $1000 3rd gen, but not in a $30K car. guess thats why I bought a snaab, my money still sorta goes to GM. pretty much had to resort to saab to get a 4dr GM sedan with a manual too...but thats another rant.