Champ Oil Pan Help? Options

[fast ken]

Anyone have experience with a Champ Oil Pan #CP40RB on a '97 Camaro LT1??? This is their 5 quart pan I would like to use on my street legal road course car. I am trying to find an option, other than Canton, and is better then stock. I have had bad luck with the Canton pans. I have tried them twice on 2 separate builds (see youtube video- Ken Cemo Canton).
I am running an oil cooler.
Or should I use the stock pan and find room for an Accusump under the hood?

This post has been edited by fast ken: Jun 30 2012, 01:43 PM

[trackbird]

I didn't find a 3 quart accusump to be enough to save my bearings. I'd prefer a baffled pan if I get to choose. I sold the accusump and I'm putting a 7 quart Canton in the Corvette for that exact reason.

[Racerdad916]

I run a Champ pan on my SBC. It works well (no accumulator), was cheap, and has kept the bearings alive for 4 seasons of AX in the Corvette with big slicks. The windage tray could be better, but an additional or different one could be grafted in. I would buy another one if I built another engine. Buy their pick-up as well. You may have to change the oil pump depending on your current oil pump pick-up tube size. I also used the baffle (Jegs part# 710-23000) that bolts under the oil pump as an additional measure of oil control. Your only issue may be exhaust clearance at the y-pipe. I also have a stock sized starter and run an HP4 long filter. The 8qt oil change is the only down side at $9 per quart or more.....

[bubba353z]

I didn't find a 3 quart accusump to be enough to save my bearings. I'd prefer a baffled pan if I get to choose. I sold the accusump and I'm putting a 7 quart Canton in the Corvette for that exact reason.

I think that is the pan I bought from TPIS for the Z - someone told me that it was a Champ pan.....

[fast ken]

My experience with the Canton pans I tried was as follows: As the gas pedal went down so did the oil pressure. As soon as I feathered or released the throttle oil pressure went up. Then when I added in a right hand turn with WOT it would drop into the 20 lb range. Very distracting to watch while driving a road course!

Racedad I will order one of the JEGS oil pump baffles. I did a search and it looks the same as one by Moroso.

I still haven't decided on which pan I will run- stock or Champ. Anyone else?

This post has been edited by fast ken: Jul 1 2012, 04:53 AM

[Racerdad916]

My experience with the Canton pans I tried was as follows: As the gas pedal went down so did the oil pressure. As soon as I feathered or released the throttle oil pressure went up. Then when I added in a right hand turn with WOT it would drop into the 20 lb range. Very distracting to watch while driving a road course!

Racedad I will order one of the JEGS oil pump baffles. I did a search and it looks the same as one by Moroso.

I still haven't decided on which pan I will run- stock or Champ. Anyone else?

The Champ pans are all over ebay for cheap. Champ builds lots of round track pans, so they understand oil control.....
The pan shouldn't have that affect on the oil pressure unless its stacking the oil in a corner. The bearing clearances ok?
Jegs must buy that baffle from Moroso. It is identical.....

[trackbird]

I still haven't decided on which pan I will run- stock or Champ. Anyone else?

I had a TPIS pan with a diamond stripper windage tray and a single trap door (for braking) but it was a stock appearing pan and a 3 quart accusump. I lunched bearings running autocrosses on street tires. And only about 100 passes total (and a couple hours on track). I'd put some kind of baffled pan in it and the champ looks like a good call for the money.

[BPWilliams]

I have a Hamburger "roadrace pan... it is a piece of junk... I have zero oil pressure on right hand corners. The pan was advertised as a roadrace pan but clearly it is a circle track pan for turning left (which it does good at). I am going to follow this thread as a new oil pan is on my x-mass list. I was thking of Canton, but I do need a real good pan because the car is sticking sooo goood in the corners, oil control is rising to the surface. I also run a 3 qt Accusump and a low oil pressure cut-off switch to my ignition.

[fast ken]

I contacted Alan Blaine regarding fitment issues and oil control. He doesn't think the y pipe will clear the pan and long tube headers are not an option (need Calif Air Resources Board blessings).

According to Champ they have sold hundreds of these pans for my application...??? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) See pics


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This post has been edited by fast ken: Jul 6 2012, 11:05 PM

[BPWilliams]

The pans look like they have the same dimensions? Boy, not much in there in the form of oil control... I was expecting at least 3 trap doors to help keep the oil from moving around in the pan. Is this a stock replacement, or a "street and Strip" pan...? does not look like it will be good for road racing.

[fast ken]

Champ Pans refers to the Use as Street or road race. I have decided to reuse my OEM and add the Moroso small baffle that fits above the oil pump pickup.

The dimensions as far as oil volume look the same. However the Champ does not allow for the same clearances in some critical areas on my '97 F Body. The exhaust Y pipe and other areas looks like trouble. I don't want change the oil pan after I get the engine in the car!

[Racerdad916]

I was not aware they made a Corvette/TPIS style pan. My Champ pan has kick outs on both sides, 3 trap doors, the internal walls have a 1/2" lip at the top, the removable windage tray is adequate and the built-in scraper is functional. bummer about the header law....