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 Jun 28 2004, 09:35 PM
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Senior Member  Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27  |
AHA!
Another thing we can agree on....bad TV coverage focusing on just a few cars! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) But I WILL NEVER believe that the Caddys are stragizing (sp/word?) to finish 5th through 10th each and every race ALL THE WHILE AUDI FINISHES 1-2 with the idea that they can win ANYTHING CLOSE to a championship this way.....got some confused GM people if they are thinking this way....'course it wouldn't be THE FIRST time GM engineers got confused.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) |
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Jun 28 2004, 10:18 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 40 Joined: 20-January 04 Member No.: 138 |
Just remember, if the Audi gets 75 pounds and Caddy takes off 15, that is a 90 pound swing. Then if the Audi get some adjustments for blowing the field away, then you can add that to the mix. Then if Caddy lobbys enough they might get some weight off. The bottom line is that the Caddy will be able to control the outcome for the rest of the season.
Sounds pretty smart to me. LG |
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Jun 28 2004, 10:41 PM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
We shall see. I just don't buy conspiracy theories in general...until proven that is! For all I know YOU ARE SANDBAGGING LOU...you qualified outside pole at Sebring didn't ya.....hmmmmmm... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Just kidding!
I agree with THE WORLD that the Caddies were GIVEN EVERYTHING THEY ASKED FOR AND MORE to start the season....AND, that this was wrong!!! But I just don't see them TRYING to finish in 5th through 10th! They got magazine ads to print to justify all that money they are spending....magazine ads ONLY LOOK GOOD with podium finishes! IF THEY ARE SANDBAGGING, who REALLY CARES if they choose to spend $9 MILLION to finish mid pack....I say DAMN GM....that's $9 Million they COULD have spent on a new Camaro design.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I will wait to see them BLOW BY the nearest competitor with ease like they did at Sebring before I jump on their case again....now Audi....hmmmmm....they get NONE of my sympathy....they aren't even a GM product! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Keep up the good work Lou! |
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Jun 28 2004, 11:21 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 545 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Germantown, MD USA Member No.: 99 |
... wait 'til everyone gets to Road America and has the Viper's to contend with. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
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Jun 29 2004, 01:58 AM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
Way to keep everything in perspective, Mike ...
Randy, you are obviously not a child of the 60s ... |
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Jun 29 2004, 02:15 AM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
QUOTE (mitchntx @ Jun 28 2004, 07:58 PM) Way to keep everything in perspective, Mike ... Randy, you are obviously not a child of the 60s ... I was BORN In the 60's....THAT counts doesn't it???? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Seriously, I was right in line with you all about the Caddies and how much was wrong on how they were brought into the series. I just can't stand in line when we talk of BIG $$$ intentionally setting the rev limiters down 1000 RPM and throwin' races BADLY...so that they can STORM back in the final races and take the crown from Audi who, AT THIS POINT, looks to smoke their way to 1-2 EVERY race! If for no other reason that Caddy HAS TO SEE THAT Audi is DOMINATING.....we can.....so don't you think they would be looking to finish in 3rd through 5th instead of STRUGGLING to make the top ten??? They are smart enough to know they will need a few more points..... I would BE SO VERY HAPPY to see Vette's and Viper's on the podium the next race! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Jun 29 2004, 02:25 AM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
No ... it doesn't. You were heavy into disco, I can tell. "It's all good, baaabeee."
(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I don't suppose you believe Ferrari team orders to let Micheal win, either ... even though it was plain as day, Barachello lifted and Schumacher was embarrassed. Reubens foot slipped and Michael hit that 500 shot of nitrous ... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) It's all good, baaaabeee ... |
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Jun 29 2004, 02:28 AM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
I'm gonna get 5 rockers out of this thread, yet!
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Jun 29 2004, 02:29 AM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
LOL ... Randy has over 10% of all posts on this board today.
What do you do for a living again???? |
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Jun 29 2004, 02:49 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 647 Joined: 30-December 03 From: Paris, Texas Member No.: 74 |
QUOTE (mitchntx @ Jun 28 2004, 08:28 PM) I'm gonna get 5 rockers out of this thread, yet! You post whore!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) |
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Jun 29 2004, 04:27 AM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
QUOTE (mitchntx @ Jun 28 2004, 08:25 PM) No ... it doesn't. You were heavy into disco, I can tell. "It's all good, baaabeee." (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I don't suppose you believe Ferrari team orders to let Micheal win, either ... even though it was plain as day, Barachello lifted and Schumacher was embarrassed. Reubens foot slipped and Michael hit that 500 shot of nitrous ... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) It's all good, baaaabeee ... I REFUSE to watch F1 any more.....IT IS NOT RACING..... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) |
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Jun 29 2004, 04:28 AM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
QUOTE (mitchntx @ Jun 28 2004, 08:29 PM) LOL ... Randy has over 10% of all posts on this board today. What do you do for a living again???? ...I sit at a computer ALL DAY....with IE on in the background.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Jun 29 2004, 04:45 AM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 40 Joined: 20-January 04 Member No.: 138 |
Just for some information.
At Sebring, the Caddys had a 7900 rev limit. During the race, Angelelli won the race, but only by a scant margin. He only turned a 2:12.9 lap time on the way to the win. But his team mate Pilgrim came from the back of the pack and turned a 2:10.xx time which was faster than his qualifying time. When the SCCA downloaded the Data Acquisition, they did the "Theoretical best lap" using the data and found that Pilgrim could do a 2:07. best lap and did it using only 7000 rpms. SCCA said that if you can do a 210 lap only using 7k then that will be their new limit. And since they turned 3 seconds faster than any car out there, they also got a 100 pound penalty and restrictor. So there had to be a clear decision by the Caddy team to run one car slow. And we all know that if they could have run 1-2, they would have not run the 2:10 lap but they would both have run the 213 fastest lap. This clearly indicaes that they would have run just fast enough to win but not give up track position while at the same time run slow. It may be called Sandbagging but I call it "Planining". LG |
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Jun 29 2004, 06:18 AM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
OK....OK....I give up! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
I will be VERY surprised to see the "Mid Pack Conspiracy" theory work in any way to achieve a Manufacturers Title, but I will agree to all, that we must wait and see. I just hope there will be SOME good racing and I don't have to post a RATHER PUBLIC apology to all those I have scoffed at! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) See Ya at Sears Lou! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) |
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Jun 29 2004, 11:39 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 545 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Germantown, MD USA Member No.: 99 |
... when we were at Sebring, during qualifying, we timed Andy's Caddy, as well as Phil's Vette and our own car. We could see the 1/10 increases each lap until they were told, 'that's enough, you have the pole', just infront of Phil's car.
I see this as the 'Money Pit', coming in with a 'development' that needs real world testing, not just going around the Nurenburgring for days at a time. That was just getting ready for the series. The way these cars are built/engineered, it's un-freaking-believable. Randy, get up close and personal and just look at what's been chopped and channelled and re-engineered. All the way down to the floor pans. The only thing that resembles stock on those cars is the Caddy emblem. Anyone read Smokey Yunick's book? |
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Jun 29 2004, 12:38 PM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
I guess Randy's ire is more directed at "Why not the Audi's as well."
Understandable ... I like the fact that privateers like Tom and Lou can build cars and compete. And compete on a level playing field. |
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Jun 29 2004, 02:10 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 545 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Germantown, MD USA Member No.: 99 |
... I believe that the next race will be an 'eye opener'.
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Jun 29 2004, 06:15 PM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
QUOTE (PF Flyer @ Jun 29 2004, 05:39 AM) ... when we were at Sebring, during qualifying, we timed Andy's Caddy, as well as Phil's Vette and our own car. We could see the 1/10 increases each lap until they were told, 'that's enough, you have the pole', just infront of Phil's car. I see this as the 'Money Pit', coming in with a 'development' that needs real world testing, not just going around the Nurenburgring for days at a time. That was just getting ready for the series. The way these cars are built/engineered, it's un-freaking-believable. Randy, get up close and personal and just look at what's been chopped and channelled and re-engineered. All the way down to the floor pans. The only thing that resembles stock on those cars is the Caddy emblem. Anyone read Smokey Yunick's book? Damn you guys....you drew me out again... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Couple of things... FIRST AND FOREMOST, although I have not seen the Caddies up close, I have seen enough pics to know they are WAY BEYOND the spirit of the rules of WC. I was one of the FIRST to rip the SCCA for allowing the Caddies on the WC website back in December. My point has been, "OK...we let them in....bad move, but, now lets deal with them and bring them to the other cars performance wise." I keep hearing "when we were at Sebring" (from everybody...not just you) "you should have SEEN THESE THINGS FLY!" Well Sebring was a while ago, and IMO substantial changes/penalties were made to the car. IT IS NOT THE SAME CAR, SO THESE OBSERVATIONS ALTHOUGH TRUE HAVE NO BEARING NOW. I have also heard MATHMATICAL calculations as to how the Caddies can go DOUBLE DIGIT under lap records if they so choose. OK, fine, but that IS NOT what we are seeing....WHEN will I see these lap times??? I CANNOT believe the "strategy" of finishing mid pack to win a championship....ESPECIALLY if Audi is gonna KEEP FINISHING 1-2....I CAN BELIEVE Audi's apparent strategy....go JUST FAST ENOUGH to stay in the front and NO MORE....now THAT is a strategy I KNOW IS BEING USED! QUOTE ... I believe that the next race will be an 'eye opener'. I have also heard this EVERY race now....yet THE ONLY eye opener is that the Caddies fall further back in the pack....I know, I know.....it is THEIR STRATEGY DUMMY (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I just am not getting it.....THE FIRST TIME I SEE A CADDY HAVE AN AUDI LIKE PERFORMANCE I WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH YOU GUYS, BUT AS LONG AS THEY FINISH MID PACK, THEY ARE EITHER BEING HELD IN CHECK, OR SANDBAGGING....BUT WHO CARES??? When you got privateers finishing in front of them EVERY RACE...what is the difference??? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) |
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Jun 29 2004, 06:19 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 545 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Germantown, MD USA Member No.: 99 |
... some in-car video from Tiger Racing is up on their WEBSITE.
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Jun 29 2004, 07:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
QUOTE (PF Flyer @ Jun 29 2004, 12:19 PM) ... some in-car video from Tiger Racing is up on their WEBSITE. NICE VIDEOS! I will say though, at the end of lap one....the Viper is HOUNDING Heinracy....Caddy holding him up.....while...low and behold..... Can't see an Audi for the LIFE OF ME! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) |
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