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[mitchntx]

But Mike, realize, all this dancing going on, in an attempt to "level the playing field" is burning up the season.

So Audi's get weight and less boost.
Vipers and Vette's get a HUGE restrictor.

The base Caddy could hang with them (Heinricy) and Angelelli and Pilgrim now are back to that base.

I don't see how this is leveling the field.

Disabling the discussion mechanism was just too obvious.

You might not believe in conspiracies just like I don't believe in coinidences.

[LG Motorsports]

A 20% restrictor will take away about 50 hp. The goal of SCCA is to make it so that each car at it's base weight would be equal. These changes will bring the Audi down to below the Caddy, and relegate the rest of the field to also rans. We will be Soybean filler in the Cadillac feast.

The Audi with rewards weight should not have won Mid Ohio. The Caddy of Heinricy should have only been able to run equal with a Corvette with no rewards weight. But he and the Audi ran away from the field.

I was only able to keep Angelelli a few car lengths back even though he had 120# of rewards weight. That was about right although if I had that same 120# weight, te Caddy would have ran away from me. So that shows that the caddy was still above the Vette.

The 1% rear weight reduction is equal to taking 15 pounds of te rear and putting it on te front. So you really think that will do very much?

If my team mates were not from the Sears Pt area, we would not even go to the race.

I want to race, not just go to try to get a 5th place which is the top anyone will reach unless te Caddy or Audi break.

I think that they have made an error. One that might impact the credibility of the series forever, unless they reverse this decision.

As a side note, they are essentially giving the GTO a 50hp boost because they did not do their homework. They have the same engine, weight and tire as us but they are not making the same hp, but not because it is not there, but because they didn't do their homework.

What a bad decision.

The net result is that Caddys will win every race that they want, regardless of their rewards weight.

LG

[rmackintosh]

A 20% restrictor will take away about 50 hp. The goal of SCCA is to make it so that each car at it's base weight would be equal. These changes will bring the Audi down to below the Caddy, and relegate the rest of the field to also rans. We will be Soybean filler in the Cadillac feast.

The Audi with rewards weight should not have won Mid Ohio. The Caddy of Heinricy should have only been able to run equal with a Corvette with no rewards weight. But he and the Audi ran away from the field.

I was only able to keep Angelelli a few car lengths back even though he had 120# of rewards weight. That was about right although if I had that same 120# weight, te Caddy would have ran away from me. So that shows that the caddy was still above the Vette.

The 1% rear weight reduction is equal to taking 15 pounds of te rear and putting it on te front. So you really think that will do very much?

If my team mates were not from the Sears Pt area, we would not even go to the race.

I want to race, not just go to try to get a 5th place which is the top anyone will reach unless te Caddy or Audi break.

I think that they have made an error. One that might impact the credibility of the series forever, unless they reverse this decision.

As a side note, they are essentially giving the GTO a 50hp boost because they did not do their homework. They have the same engine, weight and tire as us but they are not making the same hp, but not because it is not there, but because they didn't do their homework.

What a bad decision.

The net result is that Caddys will win every race that they want, regardless of their rewards weight.

LG

Yep....

Sorry Lou....that just PLAIN SUCKS! I can't believe SCCA did this! I agree that this will make it a Caddy parade!

I didn't believe in Caddy sandbagging, and I CERTAINLY didn't believe in the conspiracy crap...but.....MAYBE I was wrong on the conspiracy part...

I, like you, can find no logic (other than letting Caddy dominate) that would justify these changes....

Again...sorry

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[94bird]

Right now I find it much easier to believe the SCCA is just stupid than there's a conspiracy to let Caddy win. There were plenty of stupid decisions in the Trans Am series, so why should this be any different?

I'm sorry too Lou. Like I said, I find it much easier to just race for fun, than for a career. I don't know how you put up with it.

Can anyone think of a logical reason to put 20% restrictors on every car out there other than the Caddy and Audis? Is the SCCA looking to slow all the cars down for safety reasons or something?

I will say one thing though. Given this new restrictor rule, the SCCA will obviously have to hit the Caddys hard when they finish 1-3 at the next race. I just don't know why they don't do it now.

Still don't believe in either Caddy sandbagging or a conspiracy theory though.

[mitchntx]

Trans AM decisions? Gentilozzi ... nuff said ... they also hitched their wagon to the HIGHLY political CHAMP car series ...

Let's "what if" for a few minutes ...

What if the Caddys DON'T run 1-2-3?
What if the GTO has a top 5?
What if the Audi's finish OUTSIDE of the top 10?

Remember, the prize is the Manufacturer's Championship as far as Caddy is concerned. An individual driver's feat is second priority ...

[rmackintosh]

Trans AM decisions? Gentilozzi ... nuff said ... they also hitched their wagon to the HIGHLY political CHAMP car series ...

Let's "what if" for a few minutes ...

What if the Caddys DON'T run 1-2-3?
What if the GTO has a top 5?
What if the Audi's finish OUTSIDE of the top 10?

Remember, the prize is the Manufacturer's Championship as far as Caddy is concerned. An individual driver's feat is second priority ...

I would say that if those three "what if's" happened.....the SCCA would look pretty damn good.....and would have mission accomplished....

We ALL KNOW however......those three WON'T happen with the new rules....

Mike, I was with ya on both points....just find it hard to think SCCA is THAT stupid....ESPECIALLY since all the crap they took after Sebring....and by shutting down the message board BEFORE the announcement....THEY KNEW WHAT THE REACTION WAS GOING TO BE....

WTF??

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[94bird]

I do not believe the penalties the SCCA gave to the Audis are sufficient to make them finish out of the Top 10. I bet they are still potential race winners right behind the Caddys.

For now I see no competition for the Caddys, which is why I am absolutely confident the SCCA will come down hard on them either by Infineon or just after.

What I don't understand is why they would put a 20% restrictor on every other car out there. There is something else going on that we don't know about, but I'm still saying it's not a conspiracy. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

The most logical thing to do would be to remove this new rule for 20% restrictors on everyone else, keep the new restrictions on the Audis, and make the Caddys run a car that at least looks like the street car. I do believe that was an absolutely asinine call by the SCCA in the beginning to let the Caddys run like this. However, now that Caddy has sunk this money into the series, they've sponsored the series for this year, etc. I bet there is huge pressure on the SCCA to figure out how to keep the current base car legal and make the other cars competitive. That's where they just can't get it right. They were on the right track after Sebring, but it's obvious without some weight the Caddy will still run away.

[rmackintosh]

I do not believe the penalties the SCCA gave to the Audis are sufficient to make them finish out of the Top 10. I bet they are still potential race winners right behind the Caddys.

For now I see no competition for the Caddys, which is why I am absolutely confident the SCCA will come down hard on them either by Infineon or just after.

What I don't understand is why they would put a 20% restrictor on every other car out there. There is something else going on that we don't know about, but I'm still saying it's not a conspiracy. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

The most logical thing to do would be to remove this new rule for 20% restrictors on everyone else, keep the new restrictions on the Audis, and make the Caddys run a car that at least looks like the street car. I do believe that was an absolutely asinine call by the SCCA in the beginning to let the Caddys run like this. However, now that Caddy has sunk this money into the series, they've sponsored the series for this year, etc. I bet there is huge pressure on the SCCA to figure out how to keep the current base car legal and make the other cars competitive. That's where they just can't get it right. They were on the right track after Sebring, but it's obvious without some weight the Caddy will still run away.

Mike....agree with where you are coming from.....

However.....ALL THE OTHER CARS.....for the most part were ALREADY pretty much dialed in as far as being competitive with one another...at least within a SMALL adjustment or two.....

IT WAS THE CADDY'S AND AUDI'S WHO WERE OUT OF SYNC.....

So why not bring those guys back to where the "field" was???? Up until now....that is what I thought SCCA was doing.....but this.....

....naw....this is something else... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[94bird]

Yep, this is something else, like I said above. Don't understand the 20% thing. Don't understand the WC board going down either. I'd love to see what's being said in the racer's part of the forum that we can't get into.

Hey Lou . . . (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Mitch, I'm a little worried that you work for a nuclear power plant and are very anxious to believe in conspiracies. Any chance you've picked up this tendency since being involved with government agencies? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

See, since I'm in the automotive industry I might see the logic in believing that the people who are high up at the UAW secretly own a huge amount of property in Mexico and China and are driving business out of the US as part of their master plan to sell their foreign property, make a huge killing, and retire to a small Carribean island.

[mitchntx]

Mitch, I'm a little worried that you work for a nuclear power plant and are very anxious to believe in conspiracies. Any chance you've picked up this tendency since being involved with government agencies? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Maybe so ... good point.

I see so many changes come from "governing bodys" that make absolutely no sense and are knee jerk reactions to a small group of lobbyists' constant whining, that, to me at least, this is just sooooooo obvious ...

And we all know that the SCCA is not known for it's user friendly attitude.

[rmackintosh]

hmmmm, Speed board is back up....funny....when it went down, I had a browser open to it open all day, and when I go home I posted a question to the SCCA as to why the rule changes and the clandestine tactics of shutting down the board, and when we could expect an explaination....

...it posted fine, I was able to read it after it was done...

it is gone now... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[mitchntx]

LOL ...

It appears I'm not the only one who thinks that a conspiracy is in place ...

http://www.99chevy.com/forum/read_thread.c...dID=37&Thread=7

[94bird]

I think the ls1.com mods have taken over the SCCA Pro Racing board.

[Mericet]

Well, this should be an interesting addition to the mix: Porsche Challenge team

Wonder how they will do?