OVR SCCA Points Event #6 8/21, Columbus, OH Options

[robz71lm7]

Opps I thought Bill had won. :leaving:

Damn that's kind of depressing seeing no cones by my name-I knew I didn't push it hard enough.

[trackbird]

Results have been post for this event: http://www.ovr-scca.org/eventResults/solo.asp
click on points event 6.

Lonnie is the cone killer winner with a count of 10. :leaving:

I will keep quiet about the slaughter in SM2. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/whip.gif)

They have my times wrong.....

I ran a 50.9xx on my first run, didn't I?

Nevermind, it wouldn't change the finishing order anyway.....

Oh well, I'm "fixing" the car for the next event (I can't drive, but I can bring a better car..... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) ). The clutch and flywheel are in, I drove it to work today to start breaking them in. Wow does that thing engage low on the floor (and it currently chatters a bit).

The balljoints for the upper control arms will be here today (most likely), more negative camber here we come.

And, I have been running around gathering up used Victorracers to finish the season on (anything will be faster than the Nitto's of steel.....they are wearing like iron though).

So, at the next event, I expect to be slightly faster, or have no clue how to drive the damn car.....

:drive:

(and, seeing the ESP times, I don't feel bad about Neils time on this hockey pucks we have been calling tires)

[axoid]

47s were definitly doable if some of us weren't weren't driving like crap.

[trackbird]

47s were definitly doable if some of us weren't weren't driving like crap.

To say that my head wasn't in the game is probably a gross understatement. But with Danielle having surgery a few days before and everything else going on, I was not really there and it showed.

Oh well, no excuses. I came, I got beat.....

(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)

[Mericet]

They have my times wrong.....

I ran a 50.9xx on my first run, didn't I?

Nevermind, it wouldn't change the finishing order anyway.....

Oh well, I'm "fixing" the car for the next event (I can't drive, but I can bring a better car..... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) ). The clutch and flywheel are in, I drove it to work today to start breaking them in. Wow does that thing engage low on the floor (and it currently chatters a bit).

The balljoints for the upper control arms will be here today (most likely), more negative camber here we come.

And, I have been running around gathering up used Victorracers to finish the season on (anything will be faster than the Nitto's of steel.....they are wearing like iron though).

So, at the next event, I expect to be slightly faster, or have no clue how to drive the damn car.....

:drive:

(and, seeing the ESP times, I don't feel bad about Neils time on this hockey pucks we have been calling tires)

They have your times right. I thought your first run was clean.


Looking forward to the new and improved car. You will however have to find a new name for it. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[trackbird]

They have your times right.  I thought your first run was clean.


Looking forward to the new and improved car.  You will however have to find a new name for it. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

I think I "might" have hit (wiggled) one on the first run. I didn't slam one, but I think I ran over the base of a cone in the first chicago box, that may have been enough.

Yea, we'll rename it, but I'll hold my suggestions until we see how we drive it.

Neil's new user title.....

Benna della ruggine = Bucket of the rust

Cute.....

[Sam Strano]

Wow, interesting.... Had Lonnie managed a clean run in this lifetime, he'd have won by a mile (*ahem*, with a stock height PHB). Lee Franz is a very nice guy from Findlay, Ohio, he helped me big time last year with some control arms!

But Lee's car is very, very, very stock. Lee will tell you that he's not near the top of the fastest guys, for what it's worth. We've talked about it from time to time....

Someone was saying how this car felt to that car, and that one felt a lot more planted than the other...... Ok, but the more "stable" car was some 3 seconds off the pace of the one that moved around more. If you are going faster, the car is going to move around more.

I'm going to try like hell to make an OVR event after Nationals in my car. Hopefully I can give some rides to you all so you can see what it's like/what the car feels like.

[trackbird]

I'm going to try like hell to make an OVR event after Nationals in my car.  Hopefully I can give some rides to you all so you can see what it's like/what the car feels like.

That would be great Sam, we'd (I'd?) love to have you down.

Tonight, I think I'm going to make "Charcoal" C4 wheels to put the new to me Victorracers on (got some painting to do). It is almost the perfect shade of brake dust, so I'll stick with it.

I think I might change out the "dead" front wheel bearings this weekend as well, and a fresh set of front rotors (I've almost ground clear through the slots on the current slotted ones....no slots on the new ones).

It really will be a new car.....if I could only drive it.

[robz71lm7]

Wow, interesting....  Had Lonnie managed a clean run in this lifetime, he'd have won by a mile (*ahem*, with a stock height PHB).

(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Ahem I had a bad day and no comparison can be made. I haven't driven for a while and only had three runs to get it done. Not to mention the car is completely untuned. This is the worst driving I've done by far all year long. In fact I'm really pissed off about it but there is always this sunday.

And yes I didn't push the car very hard at all that's why it felt so stable to the passengers. Brand new setup, zdero runs on it, and I haven't driven in a while. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I normally have six runs to get things done.

I could've driven a Z06 sunday and been killed by an HS car.

I could also say ahem with an automatic, but that doesn't make an automatic better does it? I think you see what I'm getting at.

[Mericet]

Neil's new user title.....

Benna della ruggine = Bucket of the rust

Cute.....

I have to take pictures to prove it!

[ESPCamaro]

I don't know what the coned issue is about. I've thought about it since this event and I've been hitting a TON of cones.

Oscoda Pro, cones every run but two. Toledo Tour I may have been clean but the car was so screwed I coudln't drive hard, Peru tour cones, Toledo Pro cones every run, cendiv event cones every run, the list goes on.

I think if ALL of the car were wider not just the rear, I'd be in better shape so far as hitting cones.


I really feel confident that had a I started from the begining of run 1 to make a fast one I'd have been in the low to mid 46's. I Know of where I could have picked up time.


I think you can probably drive fine Rob, you've raced against Dave Kutney right. I usually run right with him, and had him beat by half a second at our last cendiv (if not for cones) That's the best way I can compare us.


You know what I think about the setup, you're working with. But it is an important point that Sam made. Don't take it as picking on. The car is really different when going a little faster. I've already noticed it. While Sam probabaly doesn't think much of my driving, this is my first year where I felt OK about what I've done. I finally feel like I'm getting faster, and that the car is working well. I know of ways to get faster but need more seat time to work in the implementation.

And yet I STILL have been getting beat down by Marcus Merideth all year. I'm sure that the car will feel like it's different when I'm able to keep up with him (when that happens-it will, and if the car where still the same at that point)


I might come over for another OVR event but man is it a long drive. Maybe I could come when Sam does, since I'll have a couple parts to drop off and maybe to pick up.


For the type of surface, and course, I'm pretty happy to have run with Alex raw time wise.

[robz71lm7]

I haven't run against Dave Kutney in quite a while, but I'm sure I would get stomped by him. I'm aware the car will feel different. Unfortunately I probably won't be going to OVR again this year. It's too expensive especially for only three runs. FWIW I pax anywhere from 8th-30th in my 130 car region-I'm very inconsistent. If I haven't driven the prior weekend my driving usually becomes total crap. I always seem to need a lot of warm up. I'm just not anywhere near the level where I could compete at nationals and get it done in three runs.

My objection aimed at Sam was his trying to compare setups from the results-that is ridiculous.

[trackbird]

Unfortunately I probably won't be going to OVR again this year. It's too expensive especially for only three runs.

If we don't have timer problems, we usualy get 4 runs, and often 5. But losing that hour and a half was "huge".

Dave Kutney was in SM in Danny Popp's Z06 (he's the second part of the two part asskicking we received).

[Sam Strano]

Wow, interesting....  Had Lonnie managed a clean run in this lifetime, he'd have won by a mile (*ahem*, with a stock height PHB).

(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Ahem I had a bad day and no comparison can be made. I haven't driven for a while and only had three runs to get it done. Not to mention the car is completely untuned. This is the worst driving I've done by far all year long. In fact I'm really pissed off about it but there is always this sunday.

And yes I didn't push the car very hard at all that's why it felt so stable to the passengers. Brand new setup, zdero runs on it, and I haven't driven in a while. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I normally have six runs to get things done.

I could've driven a Z06 sunday and been killed by an HS car.

I could also say ahem with an automatic, but that doesn't make an automatic better does it? I think you see what I'm getting at.

You were reserving judgment until you got to run the car. Now you have. I mentioned that simply to prove my points in the past when I've been shouted down about speed and setups.

I wasn't picking on you Rob, you just happened to be the guy with the new setup. If you are going to report on how it works (and you haven't yet, I know) the speed is an issue.

I really mentioned this because I've already heard how stable you car was. Well, yeah. So the real reason was to point out to some others that the stability could be from a number of reasons.

Ok, you felt you drove badly. I wasn't there, so who am I to say. In short what I see is a car setup very much like what you had previously going a lot faster, bad day or not.

[Sam Strano]

I haven't run against Dave Kutney in quite a while, but I'm sure I would get stomped by him. FWIW I pax anywhere from 8th-30th in my 130 car region-I'm very inconsistent.

My objection aimed at Sam was his trying to compare setups from the results-that is ridiculous.

I have run against Dave, and he's never beaten me. Not in the '82, not in the '01.
The whole thing that I try and remind folks of is that setup and test driving has to be done by someone consistent. If you aren't consistent, it's awfully hard.... ok, impossible to make reasonable determinations about the changes you've made in the car.

If you want to run a different setup, fine. I'm simply cautioning you that you might not have been best served by doing it when you know your driving can have you at the top of PAX or way down.....

My comparison is far from ridiculous. Both cars are ESP cars. Both are driven by drivers who are relatively inexperienced (a few years, few schools each). Both were run at the same time on the same lot. What's so crazy about that? It's not exact to be sure, but it's not ridiculous. I went from Hoosier to Kumho AT Nationals last year after looking at the exact same kind of data from the practice course and the ProSolo. Being that I'm not to wet behind the ears, I'm pretty good at interpreting things like that.

[Mericet]

The whole thing that I try and remind folks of is that setup and test driving has to be done by someone consistent.  If you aren't consistent, it's awfully hard.... ok, impossible to make reasonable determinations about the changes you've made in the car.

Although Kevin is making changes to the car, it is for the most part needed as general upkeep. The car will most likely stay that way for some time. (but with Kevin, you never know (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )

One day in the future we might get the consistent part right as well. :leaving:

[robz71lm7]

Perhaps I took it the wrong way Sam but this is just my 3rd year and I mainly run local events. You've never seen me run so it's hard for you to see how bad/good I am compared to Lonnie. I think there is huge a difference in tires between Lonnie's car and mine and I'd guess he's a lot better driver. I've never beaten Dave Kutney when I've run against him. I just need more tuning time before go and judge the untuned settup. I'll have a much more experienced codriver with me sunday and at a test and tune two weeks later. It's hard to tune something over 1 or 2 autocrosses when you throw in the short amount of seat time and different surfaces and conditions.

I'm sorry I took what you said the wrong way, but I strongly believe it is bad logic to try and compare the setups. I had your setup to the "T" but i haven't said anything good/bad about it compared to this one-how can I? It's just too soon. Maybe if I can get another set of tires and make it up to OVR you and I could co drive my car. This is assuming I've got it tuned.

Sound fair?

You know I have a great deal of respect for you Sam-the engineering student in me won't let a judgement like this be made though. I'm withholding any good/bad judgements for a while.

[CMC #37]

Guys, this is the lil' ol event posting place, let's keep it nice and on topic. Please take deep conversations about set-ups over to the AX section.

Sincerely,

Your Friendly Events Mod,

Jules

[axoid]

Pictures from Sunday's event are up: http://richard.safier.com/OVR/AugAutoX/index.html

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[robz71lm7]

Guys, this is the lil' ol event posting place, let's keep it nice and on topic. Please take deep conversations about set-ups over to the AX section.

Sincerely,

Your Friendly Events Mod,

Jules

Fair enough if someone has anything more to say just reply to my UE brackets thread in chassis/suspension tech-it's easy to find. I'll still say nothing can be deduced from this past weekend yet.