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RichJ
post Feb 22 2019, 07:26 PM
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I've been away from the autocross scene for a number of years but looking to get back into it. I'm having a hard time deciding whether to give CAM-C a try in my 95 Camaro, or whether the car is just too old to be competitive with the newer IRS pony cars. My car has 550/150 springs with revalved Bilsteins, a 32mm solid front bar, 21mm rear bar, GW front A-arms (as well as some other suspension bits in the rear) and about 360 whp with a T56, 3.73 final drive and a Torsen T2R. I've got a complete set of 18x10.5 Z06 wheels and would run 315 30 18 Rival S's square, though I haven't purchased the tires yet. The car is currently sitting on Conti ExtremeSportContacts 285 40 17s on 17x9.5" wheels, which would probably be my rain set up. The car is about 3500 lbs. (guessing) because it has a back half cage and GW SFC's.

Does this sound like a car that could potentially come close to running with the typical pack in CAM-C (rusty driver notwithstanding)?

My daily is a 2018 ZL1 and it'd be sad if my modded fourth-gen couldn't be more competitive in CAM-C than my stock ZL1. If that is even close to the case, I'm definitely barking up the wrong tree spending money on Old Faithful. I have no desire to autocross the new car though. If I don't go down the CAM-C road with my fourth-gen, then I'll probably sell the car (which I've owned over 20 years) and get something like a Miata or SSC 86 twin.

Thanks for any thoughts. I've been mulling this over for a while and am really kind of stuck.

Thanks,
Rich

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ar52kortlang
post Feb 23 2019, 12:54 AM
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I run my 4th gen in CAM C ... my weight is 3390. Car dynoed at 380 hp. 315 30 Rivial

I run depending on the course 1.5 sec faster then the 1le that come out... had an off event this month and lost ...Cone hit didn’t help either. I am usually .5 second off the ZL1 that comes out.

I been working on the driver mod allot this year cause I already placed 1st last year so not so much pressure to win this year.

You can log into event results for the Houston Scca region and check it out..
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post Feb 23 2019, 03:32 AM
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You can look at the CAM Challenge results. That should tell you something. I haven't seen a car with 335 and serious weight reduction run, but I bet that is what it would take.

A 6th gen 4cyl turbo is fast in AutoX. GM brought prepped 6th gen Camaros to Oscoda, their ZL1 was slower that their 4cyl car. That 4cyl car is what won CAM challenge and Nats. So their cars and Neil Britton in a 4cyl Camaro are faster than my car (by over a second). This year I'm still trying to catch up with keeping my car a street car, street weight... I still don't think I can catch em. I have the quickest 4th gen around here, not saying that much though.

The experience of the last poster isn't common with mine. My car is not faster than a 1LE. Bad driver, I win, good driver... it might be pretty close, but with my current setup and me driving I would lose.

By the way I currently have mostly UMI stuff, LCA, k-member, 35mm front / 21mm rear, afco coil overs 850 front, Watts link, 440rwhp and 315 Rivals. BFG just came out with a Rival S 1.5, you will want those not the normal Rival S. I just bought RE71R 285 and I think I will be faster than the old 315 Rival S. No idea what my car weighs, but I suspect a lot.
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post Feb 25 2019, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Feb 22 2019, 09:32 PM) *
You can look at the CAM Challenge results. That should tell you something. I haven't seen a car with 335 and serious weight reduction run, but I bet that is what it would take.

A 6th gen 4cyl turbo is fast in AutoX. GM brought prepped 6th gen Camaros to Oscoda, their ZL1 was slower that their 4cyl car. That 4cyl car is what won CAM challenge and Nats. So their cars and Neil Britton in a 4cyl Camaro are faster than my car (by over a second). This year I'm still trying to catch up with keeping my car a street car, street weight... I still don't think I can catch em. I have the quickest 4th gen around here, not saying that much though.

The experience of the last poster isn't common with mine. My car is not faster than a 1LE. Bad driver, I win, good driver... it might be pretty close, but with my current setup and me driving I would lose.

By the way I currently have mostly UMI stuff, LCA, k-member, 35mm front / 21mm rear, afco coil overs 850 front, Watts link, 440rwhp and 315 Rivals. BFG just came out with a Rival S 1.5, you will want those not the normal Rival S. I just bought RE71R 285 and I think I will be faster than the old 315 Rival S. No idea what my car weighs, but I suspect a lot.


Note though, that that 4-cyl has some special GM-developed tuning, and they change turbos more often than they do tires. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif)
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RichJ   Fourth-gens in CAM-C?   Feb 22 2019, 07:26 PM
mkm   Need to drop 300 lbs. Have at least 335 all the w...   Feb 22 2019, 09:33 PM
ar52kortlang   I run my 4th gen in CAM C ... my weight is 3390. C...   Feb 23 2019, 12:54 AM
00PewterSS   You can look at the CAM Challenge results. That s...   Feb 23 2019, 03:32 AM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Feb 22 2019, 09:32 PM...   Feb 25 2019, 03:11 PM
00PewterSS   Ha, yeah I know it is special... I work with thos...   Feb 25 2019, 03:43 PM
landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Feb 22 2019, 10:32 PM...   Feb 26 2019, 05:26 PM
RichJ   Thanks for the replies. Sounds like CAM-C would b...   Feb 24 2019, 01:38 AM
GCrites80s   I say 4th Gens should be in CAM-T. Who cares if so...   Feb 24 2019, 04:16 AM
00PewterSS   QUOTE (GCrites80s @ Feb 24 2019, 04:16 AM...   Feb 24 2019, 05:21 AM
landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Feb 24 2019, 12:21 AM...   Feb 26 2019, 05:29 PM
JimMueller   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Feb 26 2019, 12...   Feb 26 2019, 07:58 PM
00PewterSS   QUOTE (JimMueller @ Feb 26 2019, 07:58 PM...   Feb 26 2019, 11:52 PM
landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Feb 26 2019, 06:52 PM...   Feb 27 2019, 09:00 PM
Mojave   QUOTE (JimMueller @ Feb 26 2019, 01:58 PM...   Feb 27 2019, 08:22 PM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (JimMueller @ Feb 26 2019, 01:58 PM...   Feb 28 2019, 02:47 PM
GCrites80s   Hmm, good point, I didn't think about the re-e...   Feb 25 2019, 02:59 AM
CrashTestDummy   Yeah, I'll admit I was really liking the idea ...   Feb 25 2019, 06:23 PM
Dans93lt1   QUOTE (JimMueller @ Feb 26 2019, 07:58 PM...   Feb 27 2019, 07:08 PM

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