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ESPCamaro
post Aug 12 2018, 12:41 PM
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So......a long long time ago I spent a bunch of time here. And then I didn’t (long story)

Well I’m pretty much set on the idea I’m going to be autocrossing a 4th gen again.

So what has changed?

Some things I’ve found already:
Tires are drastically more expensive
Available “good” r compound options are even more limited
Street prepared has some allowances I would have liked to have way back when
The “newer cars” have taken over ESP
Wheels have gone up in price. I think I only paid $400-450/wheel for CCW’s

CAM C looks like a class that I’d probably run in “most” of the time just for the participation.


What else has changed in 10 years LOL
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post Sep 27 2018, 11:35 AM
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CAM-C, then you don't have to sweat the small stuff (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Sep 29 2018, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE (Smitty2919 @ Sep 27 2018, 05:35 AM) *
CAM-C, then you don't have to sweat the small stuff (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



I’m just going to be honest.
CAM C looked like fun and a good place to just have some fun. There are a few glaring issues that I just don’t like enough that I bailed before running with that group.
1. CAM C Invitational runs DURING the Pro Solo Finale
2. CAM C is nothing more than a place for the newest cars because of the “rules”
3. Rules are a good thing
4. Worthwhile CAM mods ruin the car for running in real classes
5. It’s not a real class. This is a participation and recruitment class

At the end of the day a CAM C car is an expensive car that runs on garbage tires and is still slow
IMO
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post Oct 12 2018, 01:10 AM
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QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 29 2018, 09:53 PM) *
QUOTE (Smitty2919 @ Sep 27 2018, 05:35 AM) *
CAM-C, then you don't have to sweat the small stuff (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



I’m just going to be honest.
CAM C looked like fun and a good place to just have some fun. There are a few glaring issues that I just don’t like enough that I bailed before running with that group.
1. CAM C Invitational runs DURING the Pro Solo Finale
2. CAM C is nothing more than a place for the newest cars because of the “rules”
3. Rules are a good thing
4. Worthwhile CAM mods ruin the car for running in real classes
5. It’s not a real class. This is a participation and recruitment class

At the end of the day a CAM C car is an expensive car that runs on garbage tires and is still slow
IMO


I was happy for this class because I put parts on my car without know what AutoX was. Then I got into AutoX and my car was BMT. It is still a street car, so that isn't a fair class! Now I'm complaining because I think CAM C should be restricted to solid axle cars. The new cars were not running CAM-C at first, now they figured out that an '18 Camaro SS is stupid fast and it is pretty easy to annihilate most highly modified CAM-C cars.

With that said, I've thrown about everything at my car, minus weight reduction (it is heavy). I'm happy with how it drives now and the fastest 4th gen around my area (not saying much though). I'm still trying to figure out how to make it faster. Where do you plan to run, I see you are in SW Mich?
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post Oct 13 2018, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Oct 11 2018, 07:10 PM) *
QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 29 2018, 09:53 PM) *
QUOTE (Smitty2919 @ Sep 27 2018, 05:35 AM) *
CAM-C, then you don't have to sweat the small stuff (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



I’m just going to be honest.
CAM C looked like fun and a good place to just have some fun. There are a few glaring issues that I just don’t like enough that I bailed before running with that group.
1. CAM C Invitational runs DURING the Pro Solo Finale
2. CAM C is nothing more than a place for the newest cars because of the “rules”
3. Rules are a good thing
4. Worthwhile CAM mods ruin the car for running in real classes
5. It’s not a real class. This is a participation and recruitment class

At the end of the day a CAM C car is an expensive car that runs on garbage tires and is still slow
IMO


I was happy for this class because I put parts on my car without know what AutoX was. Then I got into AutoX and my car was BMT. It is still a street car, so that isn't a fair class! Now I'm complaining because I think CAM C should be restricted to solid axle cars. The new cars were not running CAM-C at first, now they figured out that an '18 Camaro SS is stupid fast and it is pretty easy to annihilate most highly modified CAM-C cars.

With that said, I've thrown about everything at my car, minus weight reduction (it is heavy). I'm happy with how it drives now and the fastest 4th gen around my area (not saying much though). I'm still trying to figure out how to make it faster. Where do you plan to run, I see you are in SW Mich?


When I autocrossed a lot I was a NWOR member. My local region was 35 minutes away and northwest Ohio region was 2+hours away.
This go around I’ll probably join up with the Fort Wayne region since we just moved to Fremont IN just south of Coldwater MI
As for where I’ll race....hell at first I’ll take anything I can get but then I’ll try and pick events that are likely to have the kinds of courses and surfaces I like.
I raced with all the regions or clubs in a 3hr radius at one time or another
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ESPCamaro   SO WHAT HAS CHANGED??   Aug 12 2018, 12:41 PM
axoid   Not only have tires gotten more expensive, but if ...   Aug 12 2018, 05:11 PM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (axoid @ Aug 12 2018, 11:11 AM) Not...   Aug 12 2018, 05:20 PM
axoid   Those tire prices are a little misleading. Hoosier...   Aug 13 2018, 05:05 PM
SuperMacGuy   I've got a set of CCW 17x11s for sale, with or...   Aug 13 2018, 10:00 PM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Aug 13 2018, 04:00 P...   Aug 14 2018, 12:34 AM
slowTA   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 13 2018, 08:34 PM)...   Aug 14 2018, 01:11 AM
landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 13 2018, 08:34 PM)...   Aug 15 2018, 11:26 AM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 12 2018, 07:41 AM)...   Aug 14 2018, 02:17 AM
rpoz-29   I bought 275-40-17 Nitto NT-01's earlier this ...   Aug 19 2018, 11:03 PM
GCrites80s   Are the good tires such as the Rival and ZIII suit...   Aug 24 2018, 01:29 AM
BigEnos   A7s are competitive over a much longer lifespan th...   Aug 26 2018, 04:27 PM
ESPCamaro   The lack of participation, the cost of tires and t...   Sep 2 2018, 01:44 PM
SuperMacGuy   As much as I complain about CAM classes, I may do ...   Sep 2 2018, 11:14 PM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Sep 2 2018, 06:14 PM...   Sep 3 2018, 02:50 PM
ESPCamaro   Yeah I’d like to see the new Camaro/Mustang cars...   Sep 3 2018, 02:14 PM
ESPCamaro   Nothing is as nice as driving your car on a traile...   Sep 3 2018, 02:15 PM
SuperMacGuy   Without typing for 30 minutes, it sort of boils do...   Sep 3 2018, 11:39 PM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Sep 3 2018, 06:39 PM...   Sep 4 2018, 02:18 AM
ESPCamaro   One thing that has changed for sure..... All forum...   Sep 8 2018, 09:16 PM
SuperMacGuy   Internet slowness is a product of a few things: Ev...   Sep 8 2018, 10:12 PM
landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Aug 12 2018, 08:41 AM)...   Sep 9 2018, 02:22 PM
79T/A   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 9 2018, 02:2...   Sep 10 2018, 07:30 PM
trackbird   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 8 2018, 05:16 PM) ...   Sep 11 2018, 11:01 AM
CrashTestDummy   OH, is that landstuhltaylor here? Nice! Yes,...   Sep 11 2018, 01:10 PM
landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 11 2018, 09:1...   Sep 11 2018, 02:06 PM
mkm   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 11 2018, 09...   Sep 11 2018, 09:11 PM
landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (mkm @ Sep 11 2018, 05:11 PM) QUOTE...   Sep 11 2018, 11:16 PM
mkm   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 11 2018, 06...   Sep 12 2018, 01:19 PM
landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 12 2018, 08:4...   Sep 12 2018, 01:54 PM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 11 2018, 09...   Sep 12 2018, 12:46 PM
slowTA   What year was the T2R built?   Sep 11 2018, 10:28 PM
79T/A   You need some preload in that thing, otherwise the...   Sep 12 2018, 10:42 PM
landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (79T/A @ Sep 12 2018, 06:42 PM) You...   Sep 12 2018, 11:44 PM
ESPCamaro   What is an M29? The mustang runs without a backse...   Sep 14 2018, 03:43 AM
trackbird   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 13 2018, 11:43 PM)...   Sep 14 2018, 11:06 AM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (trackbird @ Sep 14 2018, 05:06 AM)...   Sep 14 2018, 01:37 PM
landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 14 2018, 09:37 AM)...   Sep 14 2018, 03:21 PM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 14 2018, 09...   Sep 14 2018, 06:14 PM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 13 2018, 10:43 PM)...   Sep 14 2018, 01:08 PM
landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 14 2018, 09:0...   Sep 14 2018, 01:25 PM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Sep 14 2018, 07...   Sep 14 2018, 01:39 PM
ESPCamaro   Or maybe there is something else Idk.   Sep 14 2018, 06:16 PM
SuperMacGuy   You could get a trans rebuild and spec the other g...   Sep 15 2018, 12:48 AM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Sep 14 2018, 06:48 P...   Sep 15 2018, 11:38 AM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 15 2018, 06:38 AM)...   Sep 15 2018, 09:10 PM
landstuhltaylor   QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 15 2018, 05:1...   Sep 16 2018, 06:31 AM
Smitty2919   CAM-C, then you don't have to sweat the small ...   Sep 27 2018, 11:35 AM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (Smitty2919 @ Sep 27 2018, 05:35 AM...   Sep 29 2018, 09:53 PM
00PewterSS   QUOTE (ESPCamaro @ Sep 29 2018, 09:53 PM)...   Oct 12 2018, 01:10 AM
mikedamageinc   QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Oct 11 2018, 09:10 PM...   Oct 12 2018, 02:05 PM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (00PewterSS @ Oct 11 2018, 07:10 PM...   Oct 13 2018, 09:54 PM
ESPCamaro   Another big change: Sounds like TONS of people use...   Oct 4 2018, 02:03 PM
SuperMacGuy   Yeah I've seen it too - the tablets hooked to ...   Oct 4 2018, 04:16 PM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Oct 4 2018, 10:16 AM...   Oct 4 2018, 06:06 PM
Mojave   QUOTE (SuperMacGuy @ Oct 4 2018, 11:16 AM...   Oct 4 2018, 07:36 PM
ESPCamaro   QUOTE (Mojave @ Oct 4 2018, 01:36 PM) QUO...   Oct 4 2018, 10:04 PM
ESPCamaro   The other thing is I suspect it’s most useful fo...   Oct 4 2018, 06:09 PM
landstuhltaylor   It has some value as a single driver car, it has m...   Oct 4 2018, 07:26 PM
CrashTestDummy   QUOTE (landstuhltaylor @ Oct 4 2018, 02:2...   Oct 12 2018, 04:59 PM
Hardrvin   For basic data logging and review, look into cell ...   Oct 20 2018, 12:35 PM

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