 Help with price? 1995 Firebird Hardtop |
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 May 10 2011, 08:08 PM
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newbie Group: Advanced Members Posts: 15 Joined: 5-April 11 Member No.: 65,807  |
Been lurking and reading for a while and finally found a car that I might buy and start taking to the track. It's a 1995 Firebird with 143k. Obviously, it's a six speed but it is also a hardtop. I know it has a bunch of miles, but overall it is in good condition.
I think it's worth around $4,000. Should I factor in the cost of a rebuild or do you think I can get some more life out of the motor? What should I be careful to look at on it? Thanks! PS - I also have a 94 Z28 M6, but it has been a never ending nightmare project that I just want to get rid of at this point. This post has been edited by racertim: May 10 2011, 08:10 PM |
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May 11 2011, 02:33 AM
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CMCer  Group: Moderators Posts: 2,932 Joined: 12-February 04 From: the sticks near VIR Member No.: 194 |
That's a lot of miles, but you could run it and see what kind of power it has, then decide if you want to drop in a lower mile one or freshen up that one. I would say $3000-$3500 on that one if it is in decent shape. I ran my '94 TA with about 100K miles on it for three or so seasons then the power started dropping off drastically and parts started coming off the top end! It is rebuilt now, anxious to see the #s it makes!
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May 11 2011, 08:52 AM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
It's also going to depend upon the area in which you live.
Here in the DFW area, there are LS1 equipped equipped track car candidates popping up at $5-7K That drives the LT1 cars way down in price. I've purchased complete, non-running LT1 cars for as little as $600 and as much as $1000. Running, driving and inspected LT1 cars in reasonable condition can be had for $2-3K. |
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May 11 2011, 11:37 AM
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newbie Group: Advanced Members Posts: 15 Joined: 5-April 11 Member No.: 65,807 |
Wow, is that with a good transmission?
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May 11 2011, 11:45 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 934 Joined: 7-March 06 Member No.: 1,113 |
I recently sold a 1993 hardtop TransAm with nice AX mods for $2000. 200,000 miles.
I sold it to a friend's 22 year old son, so I think I could have gotten $2500 on the open market. I don't think you will get up to $4000 unless it is in mint condition except for the miles. On the upside, the 95 has the good computer (no OBD2). |
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May 12 2011, 12:35 AM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 99 Joined: 29-December 03 From: DFW, TX Member No.: 64 |
Don't just worry about the motor. If you're going to track the car, you need to be concerned with the hubs, rear bearings/seals, upper/lower ball joints, f/r control arm bushings, engine/trans mounts, engine/trans/diff fluids, brakes (LT1 brakes aren't so great), battery mount, power steering pump, plugs, wires, etc before you even worry about performance parts. It adds up quickly...ask me how I know!
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May 12 2011, 06:02 AM
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Blimey, something completely different... Group: Advanced Members Posts: 200 Joined: 16-January 04 From: San Jose, CA Member No.: 132 |
You could always buy mine instead (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/1poke.gif)
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May 12 2011, 11:39 AM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (racertim @ May 11 2011, 06:37 AM)  Wow, is that with a good transmission? I have a 95 Formula donor sitting in my shop that I bought for $1000. It came with a NIB Spec clutch and new GM hydraulics, 17x9 and 17x11 chrome 10 spokes and a 98+ WS6 front body panels. Sold everything but the clutch, getting my initial investment back, put a battery on it and it fired right up and holds good oil pressure. The clutch had come apart and it runs rough, but it runs. This driveline is going into a 93 CMC Camaro I bought bought for $800 ... |
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May 12 2011, 11:53 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 934 Joined: 7-March 06 Member No.: 1,113 |
QUOTE (mitchntx @ May 12 2011, 07:39 AM) QUOTE (racertim @ May 11 2011, 06:37 AM) Wow, is that with a good transmission? I have a 95 Formula donor sitting in my shop that I bought for $1000. It came with a NIB Spec clutch and new GM hydraulics, 17x9 and 17x11 chrome 10 spokes and a 98+ WS6 front body panels. Sold everything but the clutch, getting my initial investment back, put a battery on it and it fired right up and holds good oil pressure. The clutch had come apart and it runs rough, but it runs. This driveline is going into a 93 CMC Camaro I bought bought for $800 ... mitch, you keeping the clutch? When mine gets pulled, I'm expecting to need a new one. bock |
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May 12 2011, 12:12 PM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (cccbock @ May 12 2011, 06:53 AM) QUOTE (mitchntx @ May 12 2011, 07:39 AM) QUOTE (racertim @ May 11 2011, 06:37 AM) Wow, is that with a good transmission? I have a 95 Formula donor sitting in my shop that I bought for $1000. It came with a NIB Spec clutch and new GM hydraulics, 17x9 and 17x11 chrome 10 spokes and a 98+ WS6 front body panels. Sold everything but the clutch, getting my initial investment back, put a battery on it and it fired right up and holds good oil pressure. The clutch had come apart and it runs rough, but it runs. This driveline is going into a 93 CMC Camaro I bought bought for $800 ... mitch, you keeping the clutch? When mine gets pulled, I'm expecting to need a new one. bock Yes, it's going in my CMC car. It's only a Stage 1 clutch, though. But the disc has more springs and is reinforced on both ends of the springs. I keep killing OE discs by breaking the tabs and ejecting a spring on the disc during a downshift. |
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May 12 2011, 04:44 PM
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newbie Group: Advanced Members Posts: 15 Joined: 5-April 11 Member No.: 65,807 |
Mitch, where do you find deals like that? I've been watching CL for years and have never seen a six speed fbody in decent condition under $2,000. Saw one for $1,200, but it was wrecked!
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May 13 2011, 11:10 AM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
Well, if I told you, then .... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
The $1000 Formula was a wrecked car. And it was wrecked beyond repair ... well, reasonable repair. Turned out the right front shock tower was about 1/2 higher that the left. Mostly local F-Body forums, word of mouth and CL. autotempest.com makes it easy to search and navigate CL and other big "auto for sale" sites. |
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May 13 2011, 03:36 PM
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newbie Group: Advanced Members Posts: 15 Joined: 5-April 11 Member No.: 65,807 |
I promise I won't search on your turf in TX.
Maybe I'm just having bad luck then because I do the same thing. Here is the kind of sellers that I find. This was a 1994 hardtop Z28 with an unpainted hood, no AC, a bad interior and that *supposedly* only needed a new clutch and opti installed just to get it running. He wouldn't take less than $3,000 for it! QUOTE Thanks for the interest. Yes it has been listed for a couple of months. If I sell it I will get what I feel is a fair price for it. I don't have to sell it. As for what I want for it, I want $4000.00 for the car. Will I accept less from a serious non-arrogant person, possibly, but it will not be $2500 or $1500 or $1000. You can waste someone else's time with low ball offers like that. I see you are from Ohio as well and say that you can find these cars in the $3000.00 range, I agree, but it is the upper end of $3000 not the lower end. I'm curious why you would say "I can find the same car in running condition with a clear title for $3,000." My car has a CLEAR TITLE, as well as it does run and drive. It does have two (2) mechanical issues that will need addressed, but comes with the parts to fix them, so what's really your question? If it is will I accept less than $3000 for my car the answer is an absolute NO! Hopefully this answers your question. Should you want to come and look at my Z28 or make a reasonable offer, don't hesitate to reply to this email. Thanks again,
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May 13 2011, 04:48 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 126 Joined: 12-March 09 From: GA Member No.: 4,353 |
Pm sent.
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May 13 2011, 05:49 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 69 Joined: 22-August 07 From: Parker Co Member No.: 1,912 |
Mitch, Need a LS! 6 speed soon. Let me know if you have anything
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May 13 2011, 06:36 PM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (racertim @ May 13 2011, 10:36 AM) I promise I won't search on your turf in TX. Maybe I'm just having bad luck then because I do the same thing. Here is the kind of sellers that I find. This was a 1994 hardtop Z28 with an unpainted hood, no AC, a bad interior and that *supposedly* only needed a new clutch and opti installed just to get it running. He wouldn't take less than $3,000 for it! QUOTE Thanks for the interest. Yes it has been listed for a couple of months. If I sell it I will get what I feel is a fair price for it. I don't have to sell it. As for what I want for it, I want $4000.00 for the car. Will I accept less from a serious non-arrogant person, possibly, but it will not be $2500 or $1500 or $1000. You can waste someone else's time with low ball offers like that. I see you are from Ohio as well and say that you can find these cars in the $3000.00 range, I agree, but it is the upper end of $3000 not the lower end. I'm curious why you would say "I can find the same car in running condition with a clear title for $3,000." My car has a CLEAR TITLE, as well as it does run and drive. It does have two (2) mechanical issues that will need addressed, but comes with the parts to fix them, so what's really your question? If it is will I accept less than $3000 for my car the answer is an absolute NO! Hopefully this answers your question. Should you want to come and look at my Z28 or make a reasonable offer, don't hesitate to reply to this email. Thanks again, Every one is a "tough guy" at a keyboard. Attitudes change when you are standing there with a fist full of hundreds and an empty trailer. QUOTE (Tommy55 @ May 13 2011, 12:49 PM) Mitch, Need a LS! 6 speed soon. Let me know if you have anything I forsee nothing in time for you to build it for Hallett. Just saying ... |
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May 20 2011, 04:28 PM
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newbie Group: Advanced Members Posts: 15 Joined: 5-April 11 Member No.: 65,807 |
QUOTE (Tommy55 @ May 13 2011, 01:49 PM) Mitch, Need a LS! 6 speed soon. Let me know if you have anything Here's one in Ohio if anyone is interested. The guy said it needs a transmission mount and front wheel bearing. 1999 z28 chevy camaro ls1 6spd $4000.00 http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/cto/2392052206.html This post has been edited by racertim: May 20 2011, 04:33 PM |
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