FS: New Koni da's Options

[LS1Z28]

Brand new Koni da's fit 93-02 Camaro and Firebird. $1000.00 plus shipping

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[brannanjohn]

Can you turn these into coil overs? I woudl assume that all you would need is the "sleeve" and spanner nuts? I may be interested, but am working towards coil overs, adn woudl not want them if they could not be used in that fashion.

brannan_john@hotmail.com

[trackbird]

Can you turn these into coil overs?  I woudl assume that all you would need is the "sleeve" and spanner nuts?  I may be interested, but am working towards coil overs, adn woudl not want them if they could not be used in that fashion.

brannan_john@hotmail.com

John, you could use the Ground control kit (or Koni sells parts as well, the G/C kit is less expensive) with these to convert them to coilovers on the front. It's tough to get the nut off to slide the sleeve on the shocks, but once you get that done, it's easy to do. You'll be amazed at how good these shocks are, I know, I have a set. They are outstanding shocks. I don't see a good reason to do rear coilovers (I'm not sure if you were wanting to do both ends, of just the fronts) for most applications.

[brannanjohn]

Are both the front and rears DA, or just the front?

[trackbird]

Are both the front and rears DA, or just the front?

To look at them, they are both DA's.

[LS1Z28]

Both are da"S

[LS1Z28]

(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) No one needs new shocks for Christmas?

[BCinU]

I'm interested, but I'd like some education. What is the best application for these? Are they "racing" shocks, or just sporty street shocks?

[trackbird]

I'm interested, but I'd like some education. What is the best application for these? Are they "racing" shocks, or just sporty street shocks?

Koni DA's are among the best shocks available for these cars. Typically they are used for roadracing applications and autocrossing as well (though many use SA's for autocross). I have these same shocks on my daily driver/autocross/soon to see some track time car and love them. They allow you a reasonable amount of tuning flexibility and are outstanding shocks. I don't think you could be disappointed with a set of Koni's, I really love mine. There is a learning curve with the setup, but it's not bad and several of us are willing to help.

They are more of a "race shock" that also does well as a "sporty street shock".

My thoughts.

[BCinU]

Thanks, Kevin.

How do these compare to the KYB's being offered by another member? Also, what spring would mate well with these? Eibach Sportlines, for instance?

[trackbird]

Thanks, Kevin.

How do these compare to the KYB's being offered by another member?  Also, what spring would mate well with these?  Eibach Sportlines, for instance?

The KYB's are not even close. Actually, the similarity stops at the fact that they are adjustable. You won't see KYB's under any race cars running in a major class (there may always be a "freak", but not likely). The KYB's are a reasonable "sporty street shock", but they are not really race ready. This does not make them a bad shock, they have a place as a reasonably priced shock that allows some tuning, but the valving is not calibrated terribly well for our applications based on what I've seen.

I'd not run a sportline spring on any car of mine. They are too low and too soft to be that low. The Eibach pro kit is slightly soft for the height. Again, spring choice comes down to what you want to do with the car. For track use, I'd suggest looking at the Ground Control setup and we can try to guide you towards spring rates once we find out what you intend to run as a package. You need to plan for the whole car and not just "throw parts at it". Or, the Koni DA's will make a car on stock springs 300% better, if you want to lower it, they are excellent for that as well. The shocks will make a huge improvement, even on a stock car (springs and all).

Hope that helps.

[BCinU]

Thanks, Kevin.

How do these compare to the KYB's being offered by another member?  Also, what spring would mate well with these?  Eibach Sportlines, for instance?

The KYB's are not even close. Actually, the similarity stops at the fact that they are adjustable. You won't see KYB's under any race cars running in a major class (there may always be a "freak", but not likely). The KYB's are a reasonable "sporty street shock", but they are not really race ready. This does not make them a bad shock, they have a place as a reasonably priced shock that allows some tuning, but the valving is not calibrated terribly well for our applications based on what I've seen.

I'd not run a sportline spring on any car of mine. They are too low and too soft to be that low. The Eibach pro kit is slightly soft for the height. Again, spring choice comes down to what you want to do with the car. For track use, I'd suggest looking at the Ground Control setup and we can try to guide you towards spring rates once we find out what you intend to run as a package. You need to plan for the whole car and not just "throw parts at it". Or, the Koni DA's will make a car on stock springs 300% better, if you want to lower it, they are excellent for that as well. The shocks will make a huge improvement, even on a stock car (springs and all).

Hope that helps.

That's an imense help. Thank you so much for your patience and indulgence. I suspect I need to use the search function a bit more and read some archives.

What information would you need to have? I really didn't like my SS's tendancy to oversteer into corners. I feel like I'm looking for a lot more tire, and alot less lean.

[trackbird]

We're quickly heading away from a classified ad and into a tech discussion. You may want to start another thread.

Less "lean" will reqire spring and sway bar changes. Shocks can control the rate of body roll (so the car does not "flop" over), but not the total amount, that is the spring and sway bars domain (both contribute). So, you will want to engineer a package.

Are you planning to autocross, roadrace? As I remember, this is slated to be a track car?

I would suggest one of many similar setups that you'll probably get on this board.

I'm running Koni DA's with H&R Stage II springs (600+/200+ in lbs, not sure of the exact, but that is pretty close). A 35mm front sway bar (Suspension Techniques or, the Sam Strano 35mm hollow bar or, the Hotchkiss 36-ish hollow bar, pick one, Sam's is priced "right" and lighter in weight). A stock rear bar (test, possibly upgrade to a 21mm GM bar, or a 22mm Hollow Strano rear bar). Add LCA's and a PHB (preferably rod ended) to taste.

Everyone (many of us?) is slightly different, but still quite similar. The Ground control kit is a good option. Make sure this is legal for any class you may decide to run in. Nothing is worse than building a car that is illegal in any class you'd consider competing in.

As I said, we've headed into a tech/setup question. There are some sticky posts in the suspension forum that may get you started. If it's in the budget, you might want to buy the shocks, it is not a bad investment. I really like mine.

[BCinU]

Excellent. Thank you again.

LS1Z28, I'll send you a PM.

[Crazy Canuck]

I'll vouch for those shocks... since I have them and love them.
I now use them with GC-coilovers... they are great for racing and street, since they allow to have good damping properties.

[brannanjohn]

LS1Z28 I sent you a PM

[BCinU]

Brand new Koni da's fit 93-02 Camaro and Firebird. $1000.00 plus shipping

I've sent you a PM about payment.

[lt99ls1]

Just so you know. I had Kyb shocks and switched to Koni Da's. There are worlds apart when it comes to racing. The KYB's where much better than my stock shocks.