 NA V6 Thirdgen: Second Coming of Christ, thirdgen.org thread |
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 Jun 26 2008, 02:53 PM
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Zero brand loyalty  Group: Advanced Members Posts: 645 Joined: 22-January 04 From: Merryland Member No.: 145  |
All of a sudden, the frrax members show up ...
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/suspensi...ng-vs-v8-2.html (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/burnout.gif) Pat |
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Jun 26 2008, 03:14 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 209 Joined: 6-August 05 From: Cumberland, Md Member No.: 841 |
Now if only someone can drag subframe connecters into this debate the real fun will begin...
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Jun 26 2008, 03:20 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,323 Joined: 30-March 06 From: Detroit Suburbs Member No.: 1,144 |
QUOTE (slowcamaro @ Jun 26 2008, 11:14 AM)  Now if only someone can drag subframe connecters into this debate the real fun will begin... Don't you dare (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) |
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Jun 26 2008, 04:18 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,038 Joined: 29-December 03 From: Texas, USA Member No.: 62 |
QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Jun 26 2008, 10:20 AM) QUOTE (slowcamaro @ Jun 26 2008, 11:14 AM) Now if only someone can drag subframe connecters into this debate the real fun will begin... Don't you dare (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) I really want to bring up the picture he posted with TWO rear shocks on one side and a leaf spring.... but hey...I tried to stay on topic. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) Costas cars and such... |
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Jun 26 2008, 04:32 PM
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CMCer Group: Moderators Posts: 2,932 Joined: 12-February 04 From: the sticks near VIR Member No.: 194 |
Had to post up! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Jun 26 2008, 04:43 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 620 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Chester, VA Member No.: 22 |
I want to know if they thought Junior was screwed on Setup. But that's just me.
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Jun 26 2008, 05:11 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,323 Joined: 30-March 06 From: Detroit Suburbs Member No.: 1,144 |
I might as well bring up my favorite post from this guy.
Here is the thread: http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?sho...p;hl=streetable The thread is about buying a C6R Corvette. QUOTE (V6RSR @ Dec 2 2007, 12:20 AM) $650k and not streetable? no thanks. Mine is about 1/10th the price and wil give both of those a very decent run for their money with a SBC 327ci outting down 540rwhp and an 8500 redline. And I can acutually still drive on the street. Hmmm Harley or dinette set? Harley or dinette set? I went with the dinette set. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Jun 26 2008, 05:42 PM
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Apex? What apex? Group: Advanced Members Posts: 245 Joined: 7-January 04 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 106 |
I wondered what brought all the frrax'ers over there.
I still say my point about the weight is valid. I however am not going to say a V6 will be faster around a race track. I think Dean's ego is writing checks he can't cash on that one. I think my point got lost in all the mess though. Although it sure would be interesting to see a V6 car run, if it could get the right power/weight ratio. I'm sure as heck wouldn't use my money for it, but I would sure like to watch it. I will say, though, that Dean was tons of help to me, in helping me figure out a couple of small issues with some little things on my front suspension, for all his ego driven jack-arsery on TGO, he was spot on with all the advice he gave me for my car. --John |
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Jun 26 2008, 05:46 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,323 Joined: 30-March 06 From: Detroit Suburbs Member No.: 1,144 |
Oh, Costas, did you make any popcorn? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/popcorn.gif)
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Jun 26 2008, 06:42 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,038 Joined: 29-December 03 From: Texas, USA Member No.: 62 |
QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Jun 26 2008, 12:46 PM) Oh, Costas, did you make any popcorn? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/popcorn.gif) HAHahahhaa...I should have. The thread is going downhill fast...too much ego, too little time. I don't visit TGO much, so thankfully that guy is gone from here (and nowhere near cc.com also!). Costas cars and such... |
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Jun 27 2008, 01:51 AM
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Zero brand loyalty Group: Advanced Members Posts: 645 Joined: 22-January 04 From: Merryland Member No.: 145 |
Pure gold.
QUOTE Like I stated on that Corvette furm post, I was already rolling 60-70 mph when I clutched the car and lit the asz end up on the track at Irwindale in from of the prerace fans. Not a little tire scratch, I lit them sideways. THis car does that no problem on scary street rubber. I can not use the power for the slower speed stuff. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/drink.gif) Pat |
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Jun 27 2008, 01:17 PM
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www.skulte.com Group: Advanced Members Posts: 345 Joined: 26-October 04 From: W. Hartford, CT Member No.: 515 |
I had to jump in there too, but actually calc'd some numbers.
QUOTE On the higher speed sections of the course, aero starts to become a significant factor. If you've only got 150 hp at the rear wheels, at 100 mph, you only have 99hp left over to accelerate the car (3200 lb / 99 hp = 32lb/hp), while the stock V8 with 250 hp has 200 hp on tap (3400/200=17 lb/hp), so it'll have almost twice the acceleration as the lighter, lower hp V6.
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Jun 27 2008, 03:27 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,394 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
I'm bored so I'm "in". I simply presented another way to spend $25k on a 3rd gen (and maybe someone will decide to buy my car (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ).
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Jun 27 2008, 06:41 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,323 Joined: 30-March 06 From: Detroit Suburbs Member No.: 1,144 |
Andris,
That spreadsheet of yours is intriguing. I’ve been thinking about making one myself for some time now but just haven’t put aside the time to do it. I have a theory about polar moment of inertia vs F/R weight distribution that I would like to try out. Here is a thread on the very subject: http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?sho...+put+the+weight Some people say to put all the ballast in the RR corner to improve weight distribution. Some say to put the weight towards the center of the car to reduce the polar moment of inertia. My theory is that the best place to put the weight is track dependent. For autocross with tight turns there is a greater amount of force on the tires just to rotate the car (180 deg turn in 2 sec, for example). On a road course the turns are longer so the force to rotate the car is less (180 deg turn in 4 sec, for example). Add to all this another thing that I want to put on paper/computer. 300 lbs of unsprung in the rear and 1170 lbs of sprung weight make a unsprung/sprung ratio of 26%. The front for example would be 150/1950 = 8%. What does this mean? The front unsprung weight will be controlled better than the rear. That means that moving weight to the rear will have another benefit beyond just the steady state tire model prediction. I'd like (again when I get time) set up the model and make a few plots of the force between the tire and the road vs time. Multiplying that by a tire friction curve will result in a plot of dynamic grip vs time. Taking the standard deviation of the population of points that make up that plot would give you a single number that can be used to express the dynamic performance of a given configuration. There are other set-up related configurations that could be ran through such a model. Many of the results would be intuitive (less unsprung weight means a more consistent force between tire and road, for example) but I think the greatest benefit would be that it allows us to make some comparisons of different set-ups and the relative magnitude of a certain change. We could incorporate details that are in JonA's spreadsheet, aero, etc. Some things that it could evaluate (expanding upon what you already have): -weight distibution and sprung vs unsprung -Big bar soft spring vs small bar big spring (adding (road) dynamic analysis to JonA's spreadsheet) -3rd shock? (just for fun) -ballast location -etc I realize that I am greatly over simplifying things but even simple models can be used to make relative comparisons. Did I loose you? Who thinks I'm a total nerd? (show of hands) lol |
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Jun 27 2008, 06:51 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,394 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Jun 27 2008, 02:41 PM) Who thinks I'm a total nerd? (show of hands) lol I've met you, so that's really not a fair question... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Jun 28 2008, 03:43 AM
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Veteran Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,511 Joined: 14-November 04 From: Homer Glen, IL Member No.: 540 |
QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Jun 27 2008, 01:41 PM) Who thinks I'm a total nerd? (show of hands) lol Not a nerd and I like the way you think. Let me know where to put my ballast once you figure it out (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Jul 30 2013, 06:04 AM
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Member Group: Banned Posts: 148 Joined: 27-January 04 From: So. Calif Member No.: 157 |
You people are so jealous of me for some reason it pathetic.
I came accross a post about me he by accident searching something on the internet- to see StanIroc whaatever the dffuck your name is crying and whining about me. Then I search my name on here and have to laugh at the two faced jealousy I see around this so called "pofessional racers" board Every one of you here have learned valuable 3rd gen chassis setup tips from me over the years and have lost debate afeter debate when you thought you knew enough to challange me and embarass yourrselves- with that I laugh. Case in point? search my name, read the TGO links and then read the comments on here about me- then link the dates of eact post. Funny how when the truth comes out you al shut your vagina's when facts come out - especially by others confirming me beating them. Put your dicks in your mouth often? Such a shame. I talk to you all in another 5 years when you are still clueless and learning from me. ps- Yes I have not had a 3rd gen for about 6 years now, but I wrench on a half dozen of them for friends monthly for various events- that is why I am still involved with them- because I actually help people...including every one of youat some time in your life leading up to this. |
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Jul 30 2013, 09:41 AM
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Nothing says 'I love you.' like a box of Hydroshoks Group: Moderators Posts: 5,284 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 4 |
" ... brought out your Vette genetalia ..."
(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif) Staying on topic ... When will there be a Prius spec class? |
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Jul 30 2013, 11:50 AM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,394 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
Zen master is on his way to the next big adventure. I'm sure someone will post the links since it won't be here...
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Jul 30 2013, 12:29 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,099 Joined: 14-October 06 From: Mobile, Al Member No.: 1,410 |
Damn, some free entertainment outta NOWHERE!
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