Have anyones using "run your car w/water"? Options

[Pony Exp.305]

Very Interesting>>>
http://water4gas.com/2books.htm
or
http://runyourcarwithwater.com/

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[Pony Exp.305]

Found at LS1Tech..
http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t...er+your+run+car

Interesting....
Yeah it is NOT B*llSh*T..
I think about try on my 1991 CamaroRS with 134K miles on one day...

Link>>>http://savefuel.ca/oxy-hydrogen/

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[JaredT]

Very Interesting>>>
http://water4gas.com/2books.htm
or
http://runyourcarwithwater.com/

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Quite interesting, even says it works on diesels....

[00 Trans Ram]

I haven't looked for the technical rebuttal, but don't you think that if this actually worked, Mr. Al "Global Warming" Gore would have said something? If it worked, you've got to imagine that CNN, MSNBC, GreenPeace, GreenHippies or some other liberal place would have touted it by now.

[JustinID]

He's talking about "steam cleaning" the engine from the inside... bull shit. You want to see what water will do in your engine, just look at any cracked block or blown seal where you get coolant into the cylinders. It's a sham.

[trackbird]

I'm not defending this since it smells of "get rich quick" (for someone, though I've not read the papers). But water injection is done on various engines and has been for years. Water expands at a rate of 1,700:1 (as I remember) when it converts to steam, so adding a bit that will "flash evaporate" during combustion can add a bit of power, it acts like having higher octane fuel (to reduce detonation), etc.

More here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_(engines)

[rpoz-29]

I haven't seen this since the oil embargo of the 70's. My dad was a Chevy parts manager, and I remember mentioning it to him. He said he had seen them in the 40's, and had one in the attic of the parts dept. I remember it had a huge glass jar and a nozzle of some sort. Funny how things come back around. I wonder if it would cause your car's computer to go nuts.

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[35th_Anniversary...]

sounds scary to me.. HHO gas? This is different from H2O how?? Still 2 H atoms for 1 O atom.... The H atoms can bond together, but the O atom will need to bond with another O atom since H2 is a stable composition. If they are just using electrolysis to make H2 and O2 then it isn't anything revolutionary, I'm just scared about having O2 aboard the car.... O2 is a very dangerous substance (remember air is 72% Nitrogen). The O2 is the reason why the metal ball in the youtube video melts... O2 fires will consume metal.... (metal becomes the fuel). So looks to me that the H2 is the ignition fuel for the fire, I'm just not sure how the O2 doesn't eat your whole entire engine.

[gopanoz]

There was a segment on local fox channel about this. They also had a water powered torch/welder. It was frikin awsum! Super hot flame! showed cuttin titanium and melting a baseball sized stainless steel ball bearing in couple of minutes and then doing some fine welding with it. Had a 180000 mile escort with hho and gets way better mileage also.

[RVachon]

I wonder if it also gives detailed description how to make a flux capacitor?

[gopanoz]

that has already been done and is free online

http://www.geek24.com/g/how-to-build-your-own-flux-capacitor



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[firechkn]

I have the plans to build your own kit. It doesn't look hard to replicate, sourcing the parts is the biggest challenge.

From my reading the basic kit (ELETROLYZER) will work well for older cars without OBD II, otherwise you will need to tune your car or get a MAP sensor enhancer, etc.

Once I get my hands on all the parts for the basic kit, I will try it on my OBD I '95 TA. If anyone wants the plans and literature I could email the 10 meg zip file to you.

BTW, years ago I bought a similar kit, but it used Platinum injection. I was able to run mid grade gas and the engine suffer no ill effects or power lost. The refill bottles got costly so I ditched the kit.

[00 Trans Ram]

Why go to all that trouble? For a couple hundred dollars, just buy the O2 units that elderly put into their cars to generate breathing oxygen. it generates a LOT more, and doesn't need water. It also doesn't put some cheap jar in the engine or require weird wiring - it plugs into the cig lighter. It's got a warranty, and is certified for use in the car.

[00 SS]

Here's the problem I see with all of these systems. Energy balance. You can't create energy. So, even if we assume the entire process is 100% efficient, you get no net gains. In reality, it's not anywhere near 100% efficient. Where does the power to create the hydrogen and oxygen come from? The alternator maybe. If so, the engine has to drive it using HP. There are losses in that process. The electricity first makes heat in the water before separating it into hydrogen and oxygen, more loss. The engine combustion efficiency is maybe 30%, more loss. Do they really want us to believe that the energy out of burning the resulting hydrogen and oxygen is greater than the engery it took to create it? If it is, we just solved the worlds energy problems.

I believe this is the reason the manufacturers do not include this type of system on factory vehicles. Like was stated above, if it were this simple, it would have been done already and be in mainstream use.

[firechkn]

The alternator is spinning away anyways making energy and storing it in the battery. The system supposedly uses very little energy, someone mentioned as much as one headlight. Are you saying you get worst mileage during the night when all your headlights are on and afraid of burning out your alternator in the process?

Lets say the system gives you a 20% increase in mileage like some have claimed, I can't see a little drain on the alternator being a problem. IMHO.

[trackbird]

The alternator is spinning away anyways making energy and storing it in the battery.

It's spinning, and it's charging. The voltage regulator adjusts it to charge in relation to load. Meaning, it's not sitting there running at full power all the time the engine is running. More load = more hp drain. It may not be a ton, but it's the reality of the charging system.

[00 SS]

The alternator is spinning away anyways making energy and storing it in the battery.

It's spinning, and it's charging. The voltage regulator adjusts it to charge in relation to load. Meaning, it's not sitting there running at full power all the time the engine is running. More load = more hp drain. It may not be a ton, but it's the reality of the charging system.

Exactly. And yes, if you drive a full tank at night and a full tank in the day (without day time running lights) over the exact same roads, temperatures, wind speeds, vehicle speeds etc, you will get better gas mileage in the day time. A 130 amp alternator puts out about 2 hp worth of electricity at full load, the input input load is about 20% higher or about 2.5 hp. On a low HP small car, this could actually be a noticable difference. On a larger, higher hp vehicle, this is such a small percentage of available power, you don't notice. If you can get a 20+% increase in mpg from a 2.5 hp drain then it's definately a great thing. I don't see it.

[firechkn]

I guess the only way to tell for sure is to try it and log it. Once I get the parts I'll be more than happy to test it out. First I need to source some 316L stainless steel lines...

[Herron Performan...]

I have been reading alot about this and it's very interesting, more interesting is how they are manipulating the sensors to the PCM....that is a bit scary at times.....and the guys have no clue how it alll works together....

[souseless]

I've been looking at this and in fact had come to this site today to start a thread about this topic. I'm very interested in this. I have a crap pile of a van that would be a perfect test bed. I was especially interested in the affects on the computerized engine and how the sensors were able to compensate for the change in fuel type and mix. Anyways please continue to give updates and I'm hoping that someone else might have a testimonial for this. Is the zip file 10 meg in the zipped file or after it is opened?