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 Jul 9 2006, 04:08 PM
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Member  Group: Advanced Members Posts: 166 Joined: 25-December 03 From: nYc Member No.: 39  |
I came back from the kitchen from making myself iced coffee, and there's JPM and Ganassi talking to the press.
Holy cow. I remembered when Jacques couldn't find a ride and considered NASCAR. Just stunned me. |
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Jul 9 2006, 06:07 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,086 Joined: 16-January 04 From: Chandler AZ Member No.: 130 |
I was quite surprised too. Maybe Jeff Gordon could go to F1? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Might be a fair trade.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/15001283.htm Can't wait for the F1 wags to start bashing NASCAR, JPM, Ganassi. I really enjoy both series, but IMO, F1 has a very high "snob" factor compared to any other racing series on the planet. I was quite surprised at the mention of the technology (in the link above) coming from F1 to NASCAR. It's still a pushrod V8, carburetor, and 4-speed transmission, among other antiquated items, being used on the race car. Perhaps its all the precision manufacturing that's going into the V8, carb, trans, et al. And that Car of Tomorrow...is not. |
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Jul 9 2006, 07:15 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 997 Joined: 28-June 05 From: North Dallas, TX Member No.: 791 |
QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Jul 9 2006, 01:07 PM)  I was quite surprised at the mention of the technology (in the link above) coming from F1 to NASCAR. It's still a pushrod V8, carburetor, and 4-speed transmission, among other antiquated items, being used on the race car. Perhaps its all the precision manufacturing that's going into the V8, carb, trans, et al. And that Car of Tomorrow...is not. I thought it was a savvy move. NASCAR racers stay in the seat longer - 40+ is not unusual and now Bill Elliot ( my all time classy favorite) is talking about full time in 2007 so your earning potential is increased. NASCAR is all about control and fan satisfaction. Helton et al want to control ALL factors to keep the field as level as possible. Close racing = exciting = fan approval. That is why you don't see computer controlled engines -- NASCAR can't police it. And the car of tomorrow will again narrow the field -- it is gonna happen. One of the drivers --- maybe Gordon or Burton was asked where they would like to see a new NASCAR venue and the quick reply was New York City. I bet we see a 10 month season before it is over. It is already the longest racing season as it is. |
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Jul 9 2006, 10:16 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 471 Joined: 13-December 05 From: North Olmsted, OH Member No.: 1,010 |
QUOTE (AndyJ @ Jul 9 2006, 01:15 PM) I thought it was a savvy move. NASCAR racers stay in the seat longer - 40+ is not unusual and now Bill Elliot ( my all time classy favorite) is talking about full time in 2007 so your earning potential is increased. I agree, I mean the announcer on tv talk about Michael like he is a dinosaur and he is 2nd in the F1 standings and a serious contender now the ferrari started to get their technology sorted out. QUOTE (AndyJ @ Jul 9 2006, 01:15 PM) I bet we see a 10 month season before it is over. It is already the longest racing season as it is. True, but I think unless they move all the Spring and Fall races to southern states weather is going to be a big factor. Unless they start racing in the rain like, all the road racers. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) If they can develop wet tires to run in F1 cars, and Grand Am prototypes?, I guarantee Goodyear or whoever can make an oval wet tire that can be competitive for Nascar. |
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Jul 10 2006, 10:57 AM
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LS1 Inside! / Toolbox / Mechanical Engineer Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,215 Joined: 5-February 04 From: NJ Member No.: 179 |
QUOTE (killer_bluebird @ Jul 9 2006, 06:16 PM) Unless they start racing in the rain like, all the road racers. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) If they can develop wet tires to run in F1 cars, and Grand Am prototypes?, I guarantee Goodyear or whoever can make an oval wet tire that can be competitive for Nascar. That'd be cool but tough. Imagine the spray coming off 43 cars at seperated by inches....not quite sure racing in rain will ever happen on ovals. |
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Jul 10 2006, 02:14 PM
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Moderator Group: Advanced Members Posts: 863 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Tulsa, OK Member No.: 5 |
Gordon was talking to the commentators during the F1 race at Indy, and basically said he'd love to do F1, but only if he could get on with a competitive team, which will never happen.
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Jul 10 2006, 04:12 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 105 Joined: 23-September 04 Member No.: 465 |
Wasn't Jeff at Monaco also? But then again everyone was at Monaco.
Nascar is a good place for him with his slightly agressive style which is very risky in open wheel cars. I can't even imagine being on that BMW team or team manager with Ralph Schmacher and Montoya. One crying about how poor the car is and failing to finish and the other always taking himself out from being aggressive. It will be interesting if Montoya makes any friends in Nascar or they leave him out. |
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Jul 10 2006, 10:32 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 166 Joined: 25-December 03 From: nYc Member No.: 39 |
QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Jul 9 2006, 02:07 PM) I was quite surprised at the mention of the technology (in the link above) coming from F1 to NASCAR. It's still a pushrod V8, carburetor, and 4-speed transmission, among other antiquated items, being used on the race car. Perhaps its all the precision manufacturing that's going into the V8, carb, trans, et al. Me too. Wonder which specific technology made it to NASCAR; aero, brakes, manufacturing as mentioned... QUOTE I was quite surprised too. Maybe Jeff Gordon could go to F1? I remembered 3 years ago he said he'd love to do it, only if he were to do it right, meaning starting the F1 career like 10 years ago. And Sir Williams said at the time Gordon will be too expensive to retain. QUOTE That'd be cool but tough. Imagine the spray coming off 43 cars at seperated by inches....not quite sure racing in rain will ever happen on ovals. These guys crash when it's nice and bright out. Bring the factors of rain, the races will probably last half a day! |
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Jul 11 2006, 12:01 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 471 Joined: 13-December 05 From: North Olmsted, OH Member No.: 1,010 |
QUOTE QUOTE (beuke23 @ Jul 10 2006, 04:32 PM) That'd be cool but tough. Imagine the spray coming off 43 cars at seperated by inches....not quite sure racing in rain will ever happen on ovals. These guys crash when it's nice and bright out. Bring the factors of rain, the races will probably last half a day! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/lmao.gif) true, but then again it all has to do with the tire design. I mean what are the causes or most wrecks? stupidity, and blown or cut tires. Stupidity and Cut tires due to contact or debris are not going to be eliminated but blown tires are a factor of the tire design. Goodyear design these tires to fall quickly after 30 or so laps, drivers themselves say that if nascar wanted a tire that would last 300 miles that Goodyear could probably do it, but then the whole idea of pit strategy would be less important and like it or not Fans like wrecks, they pay just to see them. So there little that will change in that respect. |
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Jul 11 2006, 01:49 AM
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North of the border Group: Admin Posts: 2,307 Joined: 4-February 04 From: Montreal, CANADA Member No.: 177 |
QUOTE (Rob Hood @ Jul 9 2006, 02:07 PM) ... but IMO, F1 has a very high "snob" factor compared to any other racing series on the planet. ... I'm pretty sure this also contributed... lots of BS and fame around the F1... the "pentacle" of racing. Should be fun to see what happens... i might actually start seeing a bit more NASCAR (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I've been seeing a bit over the last year... and i'm starting to like it. Should be fun to have new blood and some names i recognise. Also if the #24 (Jeff Gordon, I think) would join the F1.... I think it would be good for the sport as well as help the F1 enthousiasm go higher in the US. If anything, it would be a great marketing scheme. QUOTE (killer_bluebird @ Jul 10 2006, 08:01 PM) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/lmao.gif) ... and like it or not Fans like wrecks, they pay just to see them. So there little that will change in that respect. makes me think of hockey... ppl still like to watch games where there are good fist fights. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif) |
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Jul 11 2006, 02:22 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 166 Joined: 25-December 03 From: nYc Member No.: 39 |
QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Jul 10 2006, 09:49 PM) makes me think of hockey... ppl still like to watch games where there are good fist fights. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif) Hockey rules! |
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Jul 11 2006, 02:37 PM
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Moderator Group: Advanced Members Posts: 863 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Tulsa, OK Member No.: 5 |
Just heard last night, now Danica is thinking about going to NASCAR next year. Apparently her current contract ends this year and she's looking at that as an option.
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Jul 11 2006, 04:07 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (LT4Firehawk @ Jul 11 2006, 10:37 AM) Just heard last night, now Danica is thinking about going to NASCAR next year. Apparently her current contract ends this year and she's looking at that as an option. You're a little behind (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif) . This one started yesterday..... http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?showtopic=7909&hl= |
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Jul 12 2006, 05:00 AM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
.....sigh.....I hate to see it.....not a big F1 fan.....and JPM has been unhappy there for a while...but NASCAR.
..why....oh yeah....money |
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Jul 12 2006, 12:14 PM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Jul 12 2006, 01:00 AM) .....sigh.....I hate to see it.....not a big F1 fan.....and JPM has been unhappy there for a while...but NASCAR. ..why....oh yeah....money I have to admit that I'd drive one if they were paying me to do so. Hell, I might drive one for free (for a while). I don't like watching it, but running anything that goes 200 mph sounds like a good time to me. |
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Jul 12 2006, 03:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
Oh, don't get me wrong....you throw that much money at me and I WOULD DRIVE one of them things....I could even hit Cruise Control and sleep through most of it..... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
That is the problem with NASCAR, and most professional sports these days in my opinion....too much is "forgiven" because of the money involved.....a high school kid skips college to go to the NBA and its always...."you can't blame the kid.....he is just doing what's right for him/his family...." JPM in NASCAR is similar...his talents are wasted driving in circles with a bunch of good 'ol boys....although they are slowly getting replaced with "real" drivers....but "in principle" he should showcase his talents AS A ROAD RACER in some other venue....problem is...the money is in NASCAR, and we all say....." I don't blame him for doing it....: ....sigh....and the circus goes on.....F1 is a circus too.....at least it is more along the lines of Cirque du Soliel and not Circus Vargas! This post has been edited by rmackintosh: Jul 12 2006, 03:53 PM |
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Jul 12 2006, 04:47 PM
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CMCer Group: Moderators Posts: 2,932 Joined: 12-February 04 From: the sticks near VIR Member No.: 194 |
Now JPM will have to learn to utter "Git r done, and boogity boogity boogity!" (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif)
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Jul 13 2006, 09:28 PM
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Moderator Group: Advanced Members Posts: 863 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Tulsa, OK Member No.: 5 |
I really think JPM would have rather stayed in F1, but nobody was looking to give him a ride for next year. It was even rumored that he offered to drive for free for Mclaren, obviously it was either just a rumor or they weren't interested.
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Jul 13 2006, 09:39 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,936 Joined: 26-September 05 From: Youngstown, OH Member No.: 896 |
Howdy,
QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Jul 12 2006, 09:51 AM) JPM in NASCAR is similar...his talents are wasted driving in circles with a bunch of good 'ol boys....although they are slowly getting replaced with "real" drivers Um, yeah.... So in a little over a year's time then, we should expect JPM to be the champ right? Since he's a "real" driver? Please. You don't need to like the format or the series or the marketing, but any one of the Nextel drivers would most likely dominate in any form of auto racing they chose to participate in. Mark |
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Jul 13 2006, 10:00 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 647 Joined: 30-December 03 From: Paris, Texas Member No.: 74 |
QUOTE (marka @ Jul 13 2006, 04:39 PM) Howdy, QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Jul 12 2006, 09:51 AM) JPM in NASCAR is similar...his talents are wasted driving in circles with a bunch of good 'ol boys....although they are slowly getting replaced with "real" drivers Um, yeah.... So in a little over a year's time then, we should expect JPM to be the champ right? Since he's a "real" driver? Please. You don't need to like the format or the series or the marketing, but any one of the Nextel drivers would most likely dominate in any form of auto racing they chose to participate in. Mark Exactly... Alex Zanard was a complete failure on ovals in a stock car. He pretty much was so embarrassed the chose to quit. Adrian Fernandez recently said in a magazine that anyone that was making the jump better be prepared for a long learning curve. He admitted he was too old to learn to be good. Paul Tracy hasn't embarrassed himself, but he isn't lighting the Busch serie |
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