Wonder if any of this stuff will be spending time in the wind tunnel. The bigger brakes look nice too.



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Mark Stielow is in charge of the Z28. It will not dissapoint!

Whew!

Them's some UGLY body kits.....

blech....

It already looks as fat as Rosanne...hopefully it won't weigh as much...

Took the words out of my mouth.
It looks tall as well, and the wheels/tires might be too big making it look fatter. I would lower it and put "normal" size wheel tires on there.

LOL, I wonder what GM would consider "normal" sized wheels and tires to be? Gangsta 20"s? Hopefully no larger than 17", with maybe (MAYBE) an 18" upgrade. And maybe GM will install competent brakes as well. Nothing like big wheels with puny brakes...

I'd say the V6 will have 17"ers, but the V8 will probably start with 18s and go up from there with options.

I think it looks great! Although some of the features aren't symmetric like the black part of the hood?

Since the muscle car market is going retro, wouldn't it be cool to see a race series that has the new Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger all duking it out in some stock form? I'd love to see the resultant Chevrolet Racing catalog, like Ford has Ford Racing bits for the S197.

As to weight, all manufacturers are making porkier cars. Even Porsche makes pigs, although they produce GT2s and GT3s (and of course GT3 RS in Europe) that are lightweight versions of the street cars. The BMW enthusiasts bemoan the new 1 series for being a pig, and it is! It's larger and heavier than my 10 year old M3. The fact of the matter is, cars are getting bigger and heavier, and automakers aren't interested in making stripper models for folks like us that want cloth, crank windows, manual seats, etc... I commend any automaker that makes that car. But face it, in a sea of dipshits driving 70 in the fastlane, yakking on their cell phone while they ferry the kids to school, happy that there are four cupholders in their 5000 pound V8 "performance vehicle", we are the minority. We know how to drive and know what a performance car feels like. But they ain't building a car for us. They're building a car for them

Alright, I could go on for pages. If you want a performance 5th gen, I suggest starting with a body in white. I've been having dreams of economy rebounds, stock market gains, and the notion of building up a body in white for AI since the first 5th gen pictures came out. Fact is, them days is gone.

Jason

Maybe not, stay tuned.........

Jules, spill it! Do you have info on a stripper 5th gen? Or if you have info on an economic upturn I'd be interested in that too! ;-)

Jason

NASCAR has discussed shifting to the pony cars for the Busch, er, Nationwise series. That could be interesting...although it would leave Toyota out (not that thats a bad thing either...)

If that was the case I would probably watch Nascar a lot more often. I really enjoyed watching the IROC racing Firebirds on TV.

I was really excited when the new Camaro was introduced.....when was the first time I saw it again? Oh yeah, 3 or 4 YEARS ago! Hell, it stared in a MAJOR MOTION PICTURE a year ago! It is almost getting stale already.

I am VERY sorry to say that if the new Camaro was introduced in the next few months and I had $40,000 laying around.....I would MOST LIKELY buy a Challenger SRT8.

The Challenger looks much cleaner, the interior, although Dodge boring, seems much nicer in photos, and the SRT8 engine I drive quite often in the wife's car.....Chevy has a way to go to beat it IMHO.....


We will see......

I think the Challenger is great, however IMHO apples and oranges here. A Z28 will likely be 25-30k and will likely accelerate, handle and brake better, not to mention get better gas milage. If I had 40k to spend it would be difficult not to get an LS3 C6

With the new government 35 MPG fleet fuel economy mandates coming out we should see the OE's putting a lot more effort into weight reduction. But vehicle costs are going to go up a lot!

I know some things about the new Camaro that made me smile. I had been quite bummed out about it before, eyeing the Solstice as my next street car....I am sworn to secrecy with my knowledge though. I will disclose when I am given permission. Until then you cannot torture it out of me Unfortunately my crystal ball broke this am (dam cats, eh Mitch!) just before the economy forecast appeared.

looks like horseshit.. not simple enough for me

on the other hand, it looks almost as cool as this:



sell me something substantial, i'm sick of image

I'll wait for the G8 GXP LS3 6sp

I wrote a letter to the SCCA about a "rebirth" of the Trans-Am series using the new crop of ponycars with rules similar to the speed GT series. Slot it right in between the GT and Touring cars. I'd watch it! Of course you know how it goes with writing letters to the SCCA!

Yeah the price is steeper, but maybe not too much more than the future "upgraded" Camaro models. Dodge is coming out with the top of the line BEFORE the regular car, unlike Chevy....I would wait and see how they compare performance wise though.....IF the Camaro was as big a performer as you say, it would blunt some of the "pain"...

Won't happen anytime soon. SCCA wants rediculous amounts of money (and manufacture commitments) to make Trans Am happen again (as a in the 60's and 70s...not tube frame). If people would start building them for American Sedan or Iron you might see some more interest. Unfortunatley the knuckle draggers in Asedan feel that allowing new technology ie 350 engines and independant suspensions is wrong. They are/were lettting the T2 cars run this year at 3600 lbs and a stock motor just to see how well they burn up brakes.

Look what trans am could be...GTO, CTSV, G8, Challenger, Camaro, 350Z, Mustang who has interest in that...

GTO, Challenger, and Caddy are to porky and just to big without weight breaks. I light car might weight in at 3400 lbs starting from BIW.

Grand AM (Koni Challenge) already has the formula and someone else has the name (Not SCCA) and the two shall never meet.