I like the black roof, black lights, and the fat back tires.

The thread below goes on and on. If the 500 hp rumor is true then I expect the car will have a 7.0l. 427ci*405hp/346ci=499hp

Certainly GM can get to 500 hp with a 6.4l if they wanted to try that hard. There is a guy on ls1tech that is firm about the new z06 being a 6.4l as he is involved in some part of the production process.

http://forums.gminsidenews.com/showpost.ph...391&postcount=1

Note the other z06 off to the right edge of the image in the first post in the above thread.

In person the c6 looks more compact. I like the one I saw better than the photographs of them. So I am more excited about the c6 z06 than in previous days.

Enjoy

Man....I just hope what EVERYONE says is true....the C6 looks better in person than in pics.....I have never seen a C6 in person yet, but it only looks "good" in a very few pics I have seen....it NEVER looks HOT...

It's true Randy, I've seen it, in RED! Yee ha!

Red is the color of the one at the dealer.

The rear wheels are a very tall looking 19 inchs.

The photos of the c6 which I felt looked the best were of the black and then the dark blue.

I was surprised that I liked the c6 looks more so than in the photos. I hope the same is true about the changes they will make for the c6 z06.

My cousin that been working @ GM for quite awhile ... was actually working on the C6 frame design team.
told me that there would be a 500hp version 427cid... but they weren't sure if would revive the Stingray name... but he thought they would just keep it under the Z06.
I guess only time will tell.
It's been over a year that I know what the C6 looks like with some pics from inside that I swore never to let anyone see.

I have seen them in white, silver, and sunset orange metallic vert

Can he confirm the rumour the the ZO6 is going to have an aluminum frame?

Al frame!!?? Stop, please stop. I want to love my Fbody!!

Steve

So many rumors, we will see once it comes out. One thing is for sure, it will be above my price range. I think will wait a bit longer this time. My 01 z06 stickered for 49,500. Add tax and you have a hefty sum. I bought it from a guy with 500 miles on it, still even had the plastic on the floorboards. I paid 42500 in early sept 01. Since then used car prices are in the shitter. Even though I thought I made out getting a new car at a big discount, I have lost at least 12k since then. I enjoyed the car so I guess it was worth it, but I guess if I ever own another z06 I will wait.

I don't know how they will make another one too much better than this one, since properly driven it will take just about anything out there on a road course. If they make significant improvements, it will be better than some serious race cars. It is already almost as fast as the world challenge touring car leaders at road atlanta stock with some kumho victoracers.

I agree with Tim. It is better to wait. That's why I didn't feel so bad picking up an 04 with 0% interest. The Z06 is an evolutionary animal. Just the 4 years of production had many changes, 3 different sets of shocks, stiffer bushings (first ones were deflecting & causing the car to go out of alignment during AutoX or hard driving on the street, 20 more hp from 2001, etc.

I really hope they do come out with a 427... it would be soo easy to mod into insane amounts of power.

Now we're talkin'!!!!

Steve

I can tell you he's been working on it... that's the first thing he told me over 1 year ago... actually almost 2 now... but then, the C6 was supposed to have all aluminum frame but that got changed... I would have to confirm if the aluminum frame is only Z06 or if it was all dropped due to costs... but I remember him telling me that there would be a good price hike due to it.

at the time, when we spent the whole evening talking about the Vette, at his brother wedding the engine part of the story was still rumors and not cast in stone.
but the goal was to kill the viper in power, and to kill it in all aspects at any track, for less $.
so the 500+/500+ was a goal... nothing approved at that time... so don't know for sure.
I know for sure he was working on the all aluminum frame... heck I was sure the C6 was coming out with it.

this was at the time Road and Track came out with a weird picture of the new vette shots that looked far from what it is... and I was laughing cause I knew what it looked like

I saw a bunch of C6's at Mid Ohio when I was there for the World Challenge race. I hadn't liked the pictures of them, but I really liked the cars (even the 'vert). They had several running around there (GM brought them out).

I wonder how much a LS7 crate moter wil be....

Props to the guy that went to the trouble to put this post together:

http://forums.gminsidenews.com/showpost.ph...90&postcount=31

It is a 3/4 front shot of the z06 spy shot found above and 3/4 shots of the the c6.


Eugenio can you comment on the c6 z06 spy shot?
Is there intake ducting similar to what you see on the viper?

7.0L and 500 HP is not just a rumor. It's been what we've been hearing for over a year now from various GM people and suppliers in the Detroit area. One of my friends who works at GM's Milford Proving Grounds says it will also have a dry sump if all the LS7 C6s he's seen doing testing are any indication. That would be interesting.

The 7L will also have titanium connecting rods and valves.

A lot of the Viper guys at work are worried about the new LS7 vs. the Viper, but if GM only rates the LS7 at 500 HP as has been rumored, there will be a quick response from Dodge I bet.

The viper guys who have any sense should already be worrying about the current car on a road course. I have been to viperdays the last two years at vir, and my first time at the track with street tires racing against a good friend who was a good driver also new to the track with street tires I managed a 2:17 and he a 2:20 (me in a stock 01 385 z06). This year I ran with victoracers and managed a 2:12.6 and he with old street tires a 2:21. I passed a lot of raced prep vipers that were running in the mod class. THe only guys that had me outgunned were the full out race guys. Now I have heard rumors that three years back a pro driver was able to manage a 2:12 in a gts with street tires, but I have never seen anything close. On track at vir the viper guys don't stand a chance against me a novice driver in an 01 z06. At road atlanta I am still behind my buddy when he runs hoosiers, he has turned a 1:39 and me a 1:40. He has a lot of time there, but even with my stock z06, it goes down to the driver, and even though I have never driven a viper, I believe it is probably quite a bit more difficult to handle than a z06. If the new car is as balanced as the old one, with more power the vipers will have no chance. At road atlanta, my buddy can pull me 10 car lengths and I am on him in the braking zone in 10a. With more power that would be all she wrote.

Viper buyers aren't Vette buyers in the Vette's current guise. There's almost no cross over. If the new Vette was to come out with higher HP than the Viper, it's likely the Viper would lose some buyers. I've heard quite a few times the new LS7 will be rated slightly above 500 HP just to surpass the Viper numbers.

to tell you the truth, I'm not sure if there is gonna be an intake ducting or not... I never asked and I don't recall talking about that with my cousin... but I could always ask my cousin.
if I would say yes/no would only be speculation... so rather not say anything.

that's the whole idea behing GM thinking.
and we all knoe how GM underrates the #s... plus, more power will be easily attainable.
That car is gonna kick some major cars (Viper + Porsche)
it's light, and with the extra power, gonna make a tad harder to drive it well, but on hands of good drivers, it'll be a great toy.
The problem becomes with unexperienced drivers with those cars on the road.

Yep I heard some stas on the viper, don't remember the exact numbers, but a good percentage of viper owners wreck their cars shortly after purchase.

A lot of viper owners progressed from vettes. Some would probablycome back for more power. I think more than performance though, the viper gives you that rock star status, with people gathering around your car. THis will never happen with the vette, so people who crave such affection will stick with the viper, which is much more exotic.

We had some 60 year old guy, yeah 60 year old guy, wreck his Viper here locally in Sacramento, apparently trying to impress the 15 year old in his passenger seat by racing a motorcycle on surface streets.

You've pretty much hit the nail on the head there. However, it helps that the Viper still has more power, for that rock star's bragging rights.

If you can go by “Wrecked Exotics”, http://www.wreckedexotics.com/viper/ , all Dodge Vipers have now been wrecked, at least one time. There are 13 pages of Viper wreck pics; that is far more than most “exotic” models, even those that have sold many more units. For comparison, they have 7 pages of wrecked M3’s (all 3 versions, since 1986), and 7 pgs of Corvettes (all year models).

I think that there is just something about having a phallic symbol that large and powerful that makes men want to show it off, even beyond their abilities to control it.

I've often joked that the Z28 should come with driving instruction, same for the Corvette. Heck, I did the VW driving school when I bought my GTI (think 70+ mph autocross in a huge lot at TRC in ohio, with a flock of instructors from various schools, etc). It was educational and fun.

I mean, any moron with $25k could buy a Z28 that runs (unrestricted) nearly 170 mph, or 162 otherwise. This is not a car that 99% of the popluation need anything to do with. And, that is proven pretty regularly by the statistics (great rollover rating in testing, high fatality rate in rollover accidents??? Hmmm, other forces at work here), or so it seems. Corvettes are more expensive, but the same thing still applies. These cars can be a handful if you are "stupid" (or inexperienced). Training would be good. Heck, if we could improve the general state of driver training in this country from the "drive around the parking lot, win a license" that we had (it's getting slowly better in some states) to something more like europe or at least a reasonably advanced form of training, we might see accidents and fatalities drop across the board.

I'm not saying all drivers are idiots. But, who can't use "more training", and for the general public who think a car is an appliance and that they have the RIGHT to drive (I thought it was a privledge), that may go "double".

Just my thought, I could be wrong.

You're not wrong. The actual skill level of the average driver in this country is appauling. Even those who think they drive well soon find out differently when they show up for an autox.

My wife has told me on more than one occasion, the skills she's aquired from autox have saved her from accidents and I feel the same way.

I think it's funny that so many Americans take pride in their driving ability, yet only a tiny percentage do anything improve their skill level.

I think it was late last year someone borrowed one of the company car Vipers at work and proceeded to pull out of the PVO driveway. Literally right out of the driveway he hit the gas too hard trying to pull out in front of some traffic apparently and got the car sideways. He ended up launching the car into the air and hitting a telephone pole somehow. I don't think anyone we've talked to has any real idea how that could happen, but it did.

Obviously they are much more selective who they loan the cars out to now.

would extensive drivers education make teenagers more responsible drivers on public roads?

It can't hurt.

It might help some, but many teenagers just believe nothing bad will ever happen to them. Learning better car control won't help if you believe what you're doing in the car won't require it.

If you mean SERIOUS driver’s ed, I believe that it would help immensely. I credit much of my problem free driving history to thorough driver’s ed.

My dad told me on my 14th birthday that he would not allow me to get a driver’s license until I could pass his class, and a professional course after that. His lasted 9 months and involved me learning total car control. I had to be able to comfortably and consistently make 90* turns using 80% brakes and throttle, and only 20% steering wheel. I was a skinny 14 years old in a car without power assist and slow (3.75 turns lock-to-lock) steering. It was rear engined; that helped. I went through multiple sets of Tiger Paws. He invented crazy things like having to come to a complete stop with the car exactly sideways; 90* to the street; wet and dry. And having to start up from a standstill on a very steep incline with NO excessive clutch slipping; tach couldn’t get over 2000 rpm. It wasn’t fun to miss lots of football and tennis to go out with him again and again to do the same heel and toe exercises until he thought it was good enough. He even made me learn to shift without using the clutch, but no grinding. This was not speed shifting but at low rpm’s (the correct rpm for that gear) so that I would learn the “feel” of proper gear engagement without needing the “crutch” of syncros. I did enjoy learning to feel the correct balance between clutch slip and tire slip for maximum acceleration.

The professional class lasted the next 3 months; my entire summer vacation for 3 days each week. We watched over 60 hours of gory, bloody, shocking car wreck films, mostly from the state of Ohio, fortunately they were black and white back then. Even then, I had to turn away from the screen often and a number of students would run for the restrooms; sometimes too late. Each student also got 20 hours of in-car, behind the wheel driving instruction. Unlike my dad’s instruction, this was in traffic, in a “driver’s ed” sedan. They had us do things that would get instructors jailed today. But it WAS effective. In today’s dollars, that would have been a VERY expensive course. But, I bet that a lot of parents would pay for it if they could get their dead teenager back now. Or the person their child killed.

Looking back, it was all to the good. Not only did the films make a child think about life and death and responsible driving, but my dad’s teaching had a positive benefit also: when you are accomplished in a certain field, and feel very secure in your abilities, you are not so ego challenged when your peer dares you. I knew that I could out-drive any of my school mates and I didn’t need to prove it. I street raced twice in my first 20 years of driving and I don’t think that I would have gotten a ticket either time if a policeman had been watching.

Wow! That is some driver's ed experience you had! Mine was at the public high school in CA...that was in the days before tax cuts got the driver ed program. Nowadays CA teens have to get that privately. Your mention of films really brought back some memories, during key moments in our driver's ed classes they would *throw* the film cans down the aisle for effect, it sure worked!

Gotta agree, driver skill is appalling. We had our first real storm of winter season here in the Sacramento area and there were over 500 accidents in the city limits officials had to respond to. If this is not a symptom of a big problem I don't know what is.

i disagree... more knowledge would have given me even more confidence to drive like a complete ass.... that probably would have led to someone getting hurt...



i do agree that extensive drivers education would very much help drivers that are allready responsible and selfless...