We have a local who autocrosses one of those. Drop-dead-gorgeous engine, IMHO, but yeah, I haven't been impressed with the performance. It seems to be great at converting gasoline to noise, but little else. I'm guessing they don't do much until you start putting cams and stuff in them. Not sure.

Check the Classified section now, C5 Z06 for sale.

I've been kicking that around for a day or so (I found the original ad elsewhere) and PM'd Mark last night for a little info...

Really tempting...

I'll have to second the E46 M3. Best car I've ever had. I've had it since new in 2003. Replaced a cam sensor, shocks, springs and a front hub since new. Lots of track days on the car. Keeps up with most of the other cars in the instructor group. Put on some race pads and rubber then go. SMG makes almost every shift bring a smile to your face.
Excellent daily driver. Comfortable enough for vacation trips.

Howdy,



:-) Its really a nice car. I don't drive it very much on the street (when we're not autoxing its my wife's car), but when I do its fun to play with all the gadgets.

The primary thing I don't like about it on the street is self inflicted... Because I run it in SS its pretty low and so its sorta a PITA with some driveway approaches or speedbumps or whatever. Not unliveable, just annoying. If it weren't for autox, I'd raise it up an inch or so and I think it'd be great.

Whether you go for mine or not, I think there's no question that the c5 these days is the budget performance car to have. Relatively cheap, damned fast, can handle track days without too much crazy prep, nice on the street, etc.

There are cars that do that stuff better (I spent a while in an Audi R8 that was freaking SWEET), but nothing anywhere even close to the cost.

Mark

Yes, they are the ONLY cars I know of (for almost ANY price) which can;

Run mid to high 10s at the strip with a few well sorted power and traction mods

And then be VERY quick, and well balanced, in the right hands at an open track day, or autocross with just a change of wheels and tires, some shock settings, and adding the front swaybar back to the car. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/gr_grin.gif)

If you r wanting something rare car look up a 1999 Mitsubishi 3000 gt vr4. All wheel drive, all wheel steering , twin turbos, 6 sp trans.

http://www.3si.org/forum/f10/99-red-vr-4-m...y-stock-542932/


Well I was going to direct you to a link to show u what one looks like but I did not realize how rare they are. None on eBay or autotrader. 1999 was the last year of them and had a different body. Only the vr4 had the turbos and rear wing . the other models were non turbo and front wheel drive. The link above is my wife's car that I listed for sale for her. I am not trying to sell it to you that was just the only one I could find. I have autox it one time and won beginner class and had 2 nd fastest time of regular class. My wife is wanting a viper is why it is for sale in first place. I prefer the vr4 but its her car.

I drove one of those years ago...but I think it was "broken". It wasn't fast and didn't seem to be running as I expected. It was more of a high speed all weather grand touring car, but it was a neat concept (until they got super heavy).

Ultimately, I bought a 70th anniversary Jeep Liberty. It's pretty loaded and has 1.5 years/10k on the bumper to bumper and 5.5 years and 75k on the power train warranty. I was really looking at the 4 door Wrangler, but this seems far less likely to turn into another project vehicle. I think I'm going to add a Detroit Tru Trac to the rear axle and drive it.

Pic:

http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?act...ost&id=1004

And I missed this question when it was asked.

I paid $6k for the C4. I've bought about 8-9k in parts (and need about another $2,500 in stuff to finish). I added an in dash dvd player with bluetooth and ipod controls and fixed the AC (all new hoses, orifice tube, accumulator and 2 tries at getting it to seal up and all the associated freon for that). I freshened the engine (I have over $5500 in the shortblock and ignition/valvetrain parts and the HD brake package came off of the Camaro so I already had those parts) and swapped heads, intake, injectors and oil pan (and bought a Centerforce clutch and Fidanza flywheel). If I were to duplicate this car (buy it and all the parts, starting from scratch)...it would be something close to $21k (probably closer to $24k when it's done...I didn't pay that for my jeep). And it still needs paint???

So, I've probably already put "most" of my daily driver money into the C4. It will be reasonably quick when it's done and I hope it handles well enough. And restoring the interior of a Corvette is a whole new lesson in expensive. I need new leather for the seats....it's about $800. I could use a few parts for the door panels, there's a few hundred more. Overall, it's a comfortable and fun car to drive, though it's super tail happy in the current configuration (enough to make me nervous in the rain...and I LIKE a car I can drive sideways for fun).

I can't tell you how much money it would take, but I can tell you how much I've used... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)

Thinking I really should have just bought Mark's car.... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/drink.gif)

Blackbird I bought a 96 vette brand new. It was fun to drive and handled pretty good. The dam thing was a rattle trap from day one tho, the electronics seemed to work when they wanted too instead of when I wanted them too. My point is those cars were not very well built when new as far as the interiors go and throwing money at it ain't t going to change how they were originally built.

Now with that being said, I bought a 1971 ls-5 corvette a few years ago. It was a running car with full interior, motor, trans, rearend all original, 70 k miles on car. I paid 5000 for the car and thought I had a great deal. After 2 years of rebuilding it and 19000 more dollars thrown at the car it is finally going to the body shop for paint. So I feel ur pain, but at some point u have to realize that no matter how much money you spend on the car it's still a corvette. It's still gonna rattle, shit is gonna not work, it still gonna have issues because these cars were built to perform and not be touring cars. Please don t think I am hating on corvettes because I am not, for what they are designed for they do great, and I love mine but they r not touring cars for sure.
Good luck with that jeep, they are nice looking vehicles