 2010 Camaro high res suspension pics |
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 Jul 29 2008, 03:23 PM
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Jul 29 2008, 03:38 PM
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Senior Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 5,226 Joined: 24-December 03 From: Danville, CA, USA Member No.: 27 |
I think you found some of the "fat" on the beast...... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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Jul 29 2008, 03:40 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 368 Joined: 22-September 05 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 892 |
I'm no engineer but for the life of me I don't understand how the rear can be better, lighter, cheaper, simpler (pick whichever ones are supposed to apply) than the double A-arms under the back of our Solstice.
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Jul 29 2008, 05:21 PM
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Angry White Man Group: Advanced Members Posts: 268 Joined: 11-October 06 From: Port Colborne ON CAN Member No.: 1,404 |
Nice chunk of metal in the back suspension. </sarcasm> (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Jul 29 2008, 05:57 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,427 Joined: 12-February 04 From: Huntingtown, MD Member No.: 193 |
QUOTE (RVachon @ Jul 29 2008, 01:21 PM)  Nice chunk of metal in the back suspension. </sarcasm> (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I'm guessing that's how they got the weight distribution to be so good. |
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Jul 29 2008, 06:21 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 934 Joined: 7-March 06 Member No.: 1,113 |
QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Jul 29 2008, 11:38 AM) I think you found some of the "fat" on the beast...... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) The drag guys will have that rear thing yanked out in two seconds. Anybody know the weight compared to our 10 bolt? Whats that gizmo on the front end that looks like its attached to the PS lines...a cooler? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Single piston front brakes? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Hope there is an upgrade on the SS. Bock |
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Jul 29 2008, 07:34 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 349 Joined: 2-December 05 From: Lake CityTN Member No.: 998 |
W (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) W nice suspension.
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Jul 29 2008, 07:35 PM
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Collo Rosso Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,220 Joined: 3-August 05 From: San Antonio, TX Member No.: 839 |
QUOTE (cccbock @ Jul 29 2008, 12:21 PM) QUOTE (rmackintosh @ Jul 29 2008, 11:38 AM) I think you found some of the "fat" on the beast...... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) The drag guys will have that rear thing yanked out in two seconds. Anybody know the weight compared to our 10 bolt? Whats that gizmo on the front end that looks like its attached to the PS lines...a cooler? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Single piston front brakes? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Hope there is an upgrade on the SS. Bock All of the SS pics I've seen have featured 4-piston Brembos. |
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Jul 29 2008, 07:47 PM
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Grumpy Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,722 Joined: 1-January 04 From: Bakersfield CA Member No.: 81 |
That rear upper A-arm sure does look like are front lower(bushings setup)! I wonder if it will have the same problems.
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Jul 29 2008, 08:27 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 689 Joined: 8-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 1,201 |
QUOTE (firehawkclone @ Jul 29 2008, 12:47 PM) That rear upper A-arm sure does look like are front lower(bushings setup)! I wonder if it will have the same problems. that is exactly the samething I thought |
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Jul 29 2008, 10:09 PM
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Engine and Tools Moderator Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,859 Joined: 23-December 03 From: Lebanon TN Member No.: 6 |
And 4 arms per wheel. I'm trying to visualize what's going to happen to toe through the suspension travel, and also how the 4 different arms can move at the same time without binding... I can't quite get it from the pictures.
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Jul 30 2008, 01:27 AM
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FRRAX Owner/Admin Group: Admin Posts: 15,432 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Ohio Member No.: 196 |
QUOTE (cccbock @ Jul 29 2008, 02:21 PM) Whats that gizmo on the front end that looks like its attached to the PS lines...a cooler? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) The 3rd gen has a similar PS cooler that runs under the radiator support (below the support). Looks like they are doing the same approach here. Actually, it looks like a hybrid of the 3rd and 4th gen front suspensions. We have coils on the shocks/struts like a 4th gen, but no upper a arms (I'm assuming this is considered a MacPherson strut design), larger than 3rd gen brakes, and it looks like it has hub assemblies from the 4th gen style setup. No more vertical castor bushing, it has "real" bushings that move the right direction (think 3rd gen). The top mount does not look like a camber plate. Either you'll adjust it at the shock bolts, or move the lower bushings around (like a 4th gen). Probably slots in the Kmember. And, I think Ford designed the rear suspension. It really reminds me of Fords "drop in" mustang rear setup from the 99-ish cars. Interesting. So far, I'm still not interested in one, but that could change when I see it and find out the final specs... |
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Jul 30 2008, 01:51 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 651 Joined: 3-September 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 876 |
The more I learn about the 5th gen, the less interested I become.
Did you notice the length of the front sway endlinks/balljoints and how thin they are. I bet more robust endlinks will be necessary if the sway bar diameter is upgraded. To me the rear seems overly complicated, with two many different pivot points, and I also notice that there is a vertical bushing in one of the upper mounts, gee that's just great! However I will reserve final judgement only because I know that GM was supposed to have benchmarked the BMW 3 series rear and the Camaro's platform is identical to the current G8, which is so far, getting great reviews vs. the 3 series. However, I won't be the first person to buy one no matter how good the reviews. Someone else can be the Guinea pig (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) |
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Jul 30 2008, 03:30 PM
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Collo Rosso Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,220 Joined: 3-August 05 From: San Antonio, TX Member No.: 839 |
By the way, the front suspension is nearly identical to my '07 'stang, and that was just a ripoff of an E36 M3. It's a good thing, though. It's simple and it works.
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Jul 30 2008, 05:23 PM
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ERV Group: Advanced Members Posts: 332 Joined: 22-January 04 Member No.: 143 |
QUOTE (John_D. @ Jul 29 2008, 04:09 PM) And 4 arms per wheel. I'm trying to visualize what's going to happen to toe through the suspension travel, and also how the 4 different arms can move at the same time without binding... I can't quite get it from the pictures. It looks like it has a virtual ball joint setup like on many Mercedes products and Chrysler LX/LC platforms. There's enough compliance in the bushings that it will not bind and still offer a supior ride. It's like moving the ball joint further out towards the wheel. It looks like there is some opportunities for bushings or bearings or a conversion kit to a single arm/ball joint on the rear lower. It's hard to tell but it looks like the front strut setup might also have the virtual ball joint design. If this is the case there will be a lot of caster and wheel movement (relative to wheel well) fore-aft with steering input. A nice tuning setup when done properly for the street but will be a tuning nightmare for the track. |
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Jul 30 2008, 07:52 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,197 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Hudson, Colorado Member No.: 197 |
Actually, the front hubs look like FWD hubs like the Solstice has. Looking closely, I think I can see splines in the hole in the center. It's possible that the front and rear use the same hubs.
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Jul 31 2008, 03:27 AM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 60 Joined: 11-November 07 From: Baltimore, Maryland Member No.: 2,000 |
looks like it's time for the aftermarket guys to make some nice billet stuff to replace the stamped steel links in the back
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Jul 31 2008, 10:35 AM
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I build race cars Group: Advanced Members Posts: 4,748 Joined: 31-August 05 From: Central coast, CA Member No.: 874 |
How the heck do those front swaybar end links not buckle? Are there extensions down and forward? Goofy front springs will give stock spring classes fits. Travel with wide rubber may limit the length of coilover springs.
Rear looks like it has more room for fat tires, and coilovers. The IRS assembly bolts on in 4 places - those places on a 4th gen are subframes... Hmmm... |
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Jul 31 2008, 05:09 PM
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Experienced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,936 Joined: 26-September 05 From: Youngstown, OH Member No.: 896 |
Howdy,
QUOTE (BigEnos @ Jul 30 2008, 11:30 AM) By the way, the front suspension is nearly identical to my '07 'stang, and that was just a ripoff of an E36 M3. It's a good thing, though. It's simple and it works. ?? That doesn't look anything at all like an E36 front suspension. It looks like it has forward mounted "radius rods" or whatever they're called to resist front to back motion of the wheel vs. the L shaped lower control arm an E30/E36 used: http://www.speichers.com/e30_suspension.htm But maybe I'm missing something in the picture. Looks more like a 2nd gen MR2 to me... Mark |
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Jul 31 2008, 05:11 PM
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Collo Rosso Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,220 Joined: 3-August 05 From: San Antonio, TX Member No.: 839 |
Oh, and has anyone else noticed that the car has a guibo!?!?
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Jul 31 2008, 05:14 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 715 Joined: 29-May 04 From: Cincinnati, Ohio Member No.: 352 |
When I clicked on the linek I saw the first pic and thought I was at a BMW forum. Did anyone else see the bmw-ish-ness? I had a mid 90's bmw and had flashbacks for a sec. heh. fox body front end maybe?
You won't be able to turn the front shocks upside down. I think the calipers were just the mock up, I don't think that car at any level gets single piston brakes. I noticed the sway bar end links too. There has got to be a better way to do that. On the other hand it looks like lowering and bump steer won't be as bad as a 4th gen. The rear looks good. 4 bolts and removal.. if you have a 2 ton jack. I don't think it will be that heavy, it just looks massive, but it is all stamped steel. The drive shaft prop looks vette-ish. Here's hoping for a good car. |
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Jul 31 2008, 05:16 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 715 Joined: 29-May 04 From: Cincinnati, Ohio Member No.: 352 |
QUOTE (BigEnos @ Jul 31 2008, 01:11 PM) Oh, and has anyone else noticed that the car has a guibo!?!? I did I did. don't vettes have them too? |
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Jul 31 2008, 05:16 PM
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Collo Rosso Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,220 Joined: 3-August 05 From: San Antonio, TX Member No.: 839 |
QUOTE (marka @ Jul 31 2008, 11:09 AM) Howdy, QUOTE (BigEnos @ Jul 30 2008, 11:30 AM) By the way, the front suspension is nearly identical to my '07 'stang, and that was just a ripoff of an E36 M3. It's a good thing, though. It's simple and it works. ?? That doesn't look anything at all like an E36 front suspension. It looks like it has forward mounted "radius rods" or whatever they're called to resist front to back motion of the wheel vs. the L shaped lower control arm an E30/E36 used: http://www.speichers.com/e30_suspension.htm But maybe I'm missing something in the picture. Looks more like a 2nd gen MR2 to me... Mark I don't know about "doesn't look anything at all like an e36", but yep, two arms vs. one arm, my bad. I guess all Mac Struts look the same to me. |
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Jul 31 2008, 05:17 PM
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Collo Rosso Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,220 Joined: 3-August 05 From: San Antonio, TX Member No.: 839 |
QUOTE (shortbus @ Jul 31 2008, 11:16 AM) QUOTE (BigEnos @ Jul 31 2008, 01:11 PM) Oh, and has anyone else noticed that the car has a guibo!?!? I did I did. don't vettes have them too? They have torque tubes, dunno about guibos. |
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Jul 31 2008, 05:24 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 715 Joined: 29-May 04 From: Cincinnati, Ohio Member No.: 352 |
QUOTE (BigEnos @ Jul 31 2008, 01:17 PM) QUOTE (shortbus @ Jul 31 2008, 11:16 AM) QUOTE (BigEnos @ Jul 31 2008, 01:11 PM) Oh, and has anyone else noticed that the car has a guibo!?!? I did I did. don't vettes have them too? They have torque tubes, dunno about guibos. Yeah, Inside the torque tubes. I am sure of it. I see them laying around Danny Popp's place at McKluskys. |
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Jul 31 2008, 07:30 PM
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No El-Use-O. Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,368 Joined: 27-December 03 From: SW Michigan Member No.: 52 |
QUOTE (BigEnos @ Jul 31 2008, 12:11 PM) Oh, and has anyone else noticed that the car has a guibo!?!? Ha ha. Fuck guibo's |
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Jul 31 2008, 07:34 PM
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No El-Use-O. Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,368 Joined: 27-December 03 From: SW Michigan Member No.: 52 |
Personally that rear suspension looks REALLY nice IMO......Hell take off the calipers and tie them up and undo the subfram bolts and driveshaft and drop the entire business in one shot....For any servicing etc.
Front. Meh. Nothing exciting. Then again nothing wrong either. Doesn't really look like my BMW, but a strut front end. Stiffer springs bigger bar and camber plates and your all set.... More important questions are how much will they weigh, and what size wheels? |
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Jul 31 2008, 10:11 PM
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North of the border Group: Admin Posts: 2,307 Joined: 4-February 04 From: Montreal, CANADA Member No.: 177 |
wtf is a guibol ?
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Jul 31 2008, 10:34 PM
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No El-Use-O. Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,368 Joined: 27-December 03 From: SW Michigan Member No.: 52 |
QUOTE (Eugenio_SS @ Jul 31 2008, 05:11 PM) wtf is a guibol ? A guibo is like a rubber flex coupling on a steering shaft. Only BIG and on the driveshaft of BMW's This post has been edited by ESPCamaro: Jul 31 2008, 10:34 PM |
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Jul 31 2008, 11:39 PM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 115 Joined: 25-October 04 Member No.: 511 |
My wife has an 08 Charger R/T with virtually the same setup, not lots of adjustability. You move the whole crossmember to adjust uh...I'm not sure really, but that's what they did to set it at SRT specs. The car is a pig at #4132.....you can get back up on your chair now ! Overall, it does grunt the power down nicely if the computer doesn't shut you down (one clip of a wire to fix that one)
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Aug 4 2008, 09:36 PM
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