[Crazy Canuck]

C6-Z06 vs Nissan GT-R vs Shelby Super-Snake vs any other suggestion

Chances are they would be in black.

[trackbird]

Are you going shopping?

C6 Z06 is a hell of a car. Swap front brakes and rock 'n' roll.

C6 ZR1?

Not familiar with the Mustang. And I'd probably pass on the Nissan.

[CrashTestDummy]

I've been thinking of a Z06 myself. There's a lot of performance bang for the buck there. I've been considering other stuff, but I keep thinking 'yeah, it doesn't do this like a Z06, or it won't get the mileage of a Z06'. I keep coming back around to the Z.

Black is nice, the silver is WOW. There's one that keeps visiting G-Force over near where I live. I hear it coming down the street, and from the backyard looking over the fence at it, it seems to glow in the sunlight.

[93FirehawkTA]

What is the purpose for the vehicle? Track, daily driver, little of both? Without becoming long winded I'd go Z06 for track car, GT-R for dd or combo. Shelby is overweight and over rated IMO.

[Crazy Canuck]

would be a toy combo street and some track.
I don't seem to like the GT-R tranny... but the brakes, interior, seems great. What comes to mind is changing both turbos and have some real fun... but forget the sleeper approach vs the z06.
for track, I'll be waiting to find a cheap C6 body where it'll be a canvas. wish I could find body in whites.

The SuperSnake would look like the Cop in Transformers and the KnightRider movie.
What I like about this one is the exclusivity part... and 725hp ain't nothing to spit @.
(IMG:http://z.about.com/d/mustangs/1/0/U/9/-/-/knight7.jpg)
(IMG:http://media.musclecarblog.com/ai/2008/271.jpg)

[Crazy Canuck]

Are you going shopping?

C6 Z06 is a hell of a car. Swap front brakes and rock 'n' roll.

C6 ZR1?

Not familiar with the Mustang. And I'd probably pass on the Nissan.

I love the ZR1... and the dealer has been bugging me about it.
and it's been eating me alive... wonder when they're actually coming out.
But for the price of the zr1, it opens other doors... Audi R8 (refined but little power), Viper.

[Crazy Canuck]

my heart keeps coming back to the Vette, though... although I'd love to probably find a used GT3 or Turbo... so many choices.

[Crazy Canuck]

talking of the zr1... isn't just easier for me to get a used C6-Z06, forge the internals w/ low compression pistons and SC the 7.0L or simply go for H/C package + fuel exhaust... should boost some more HP, while having it NA and/or more linear for fun.

[CMC #37]

Z06 for me, ZR1 is a dream!

[Crazy Canuck]

the other possibility...

keep having fun as a street car with my SS
get a C5/C6 and make it a pure track car with at least 500+ hp and gutted out + full-cage + huge brakes.
and get a zx14 to have fun as well.

should probably cost less than simply getting a zr1 or something like that, while having 3 different toys, depending on what I feel like doing.
the only problem with the above mentioned plan, how to get the vette to the track, tow it w/ the SS ? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/lmao.gif)

[CMC #37]

Get the Evora and put it in the SS. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[jensend]

Not sure how the ZR1 will perform on track. One of the people I track with regularly has a C-6 Z06 and is not at all interested in trading it on the ZR1. He feels it was engineered more with straigh line speed than overall performance in mind. His Z06 is a very formidable track car ( in mostly stock form) and runs in the2:10-2:11 range at Watkins Glen. For the money, I don't think any other production car offers as much performance and fun for the money as the C6 Z06. Wish one was within my budget.

[00 Trans Ram]

For the amt of money you're talking (about $90k is what a guy here in LA just paid for his GT-R), I think I'd try a different tack. How's this sound?

$40k - Buy the track car of your choice; I'd recommend a T1 or GT Vette or similar, just for ease of maintenance and because you're used to at least some of the parts

$20k - Buy a good, used, tow vehicle. Yeah, they're not flashy, but you can't beat a good 2002-ish diesel dually for towing.

$10k - Buy a nice enclosed trailer

$10k - Race budget (gas, tires, hotels, beer, etc.)

But, if you want to spend that much on just 1 street-legal car that can be taken to the track, you've got a lot of options. I doubt that you'll ever be happy with a "stock" car, so you'll be modifying it. I'd recommend buying one that's already modified like you want and sticking with that. Something like a used, s'charged C6-Z06 is what I'm thinking.

[Crazy Canuck]

hmmm.... from ppl's experience, it's always cheaper to find a "race-car-prepped" already rather than building one from scratch.
I'm gonna start looking for a full-fledged c5/c6 prepped race car and go from there.
even if engine needs to be redone, or rolling-chassis.

[BigEnos]

I saw a black R8 on my way to work one morning. Pure sex. I liked it a lot more than I thought I would. A slightly used GT3 should be on your radar, too IMHO.

I gotta admit, the GT-R is pretty hot, though I haven't seen one in person.

How about a used Countach?? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[EchoMirage]

should read up on the GTRs computer before deciding to race it on a track. its GPS linked to nissan, and will void your warrenty if you ever to go a track. not to mention if you ever use the launch control, it will record it and also void your warrenty.

[Pony Exp.305]

For the amt of money you're talking (about $90k is what a guy here in LA just paid for his GT-R), I think I'd try a different tack. How's this sound?

$40k - Buy the track car of your choice; I'd recommend a T1 or GT Vette or similar, just for ease of maintenance and because you're used to at least some of the parts

$20k - Buy a good, used, tow vehicle. Yeah, they're not flashy, but you can't beat a good 2002-ish diesel dually for towing.

$10k - Buy a nice enclosed trailer

$10k - Race budget (gas, tires, hotels, beer, etc.)

But, if you want to spend that much on just 1 street-legal car that can be taken to the track, you've got a lot of options. I doubt that you'll ever be happy with a "stock" car, so you'll be modifying it. I'd recommend buying one that's already modified like you want and sticking with that. Something like a used, s'charged C6-Z06 is what I'm thinking.

(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ^^^ That is true.. what kind you drive? Daily Driver?
I always want to have Z06 vette. 2010 Camaro SS?
Once you have newer car, you have to be careful driving under any conditions.

[mitchntx]

talking of the zr1... isn't just easier for me to get a used C6-Z06, forge the internals w/ low compression pistons and SC the 7.0L or simply go for H/C package + fuel exhaust... should boost some more HP, while having it NA and/or more linear for fun.

Good God, man. Why?

I assume you've ridden/driven a new Z06 ... they are a BEAST in stock trim.

keep having fun as a street car with my SS
get a C5/C6 and make it a pure track car with at least 500+ hp and gutted out + full-cage + huge brakes.
and get a zx14 to have fun as well.

So, you are a male prostitute or a pimp?

[rmackintosh]

should read up on the GTRs computer before deciding to race it on a track. its GPS linked to nissan, and will void your warrenty if you ever to go a track. not to mention if you ever use the launch control, it will record it and also void your warrenty.

WTF??? Why put launch control on the car if USING IT will void your warranty?????
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[Spruill242]

I don't know about all that warrenty stuff. Would have to search that on your own. But the latest Car & Driver had the GTR kick the pants off of the Viper, ZO6 and GT3RS. Everything I've read says the GTR likes to be abused and tossed around on track. And noone has writen a bad report on one yet. I also got to see one in person here in Va Beach at a baseball game. In person the car is absolutely beatiful. It has body lines that pictures just can't capture and it has a VERY aggresive nose. If they came in a true manual I would think it would be a no brainer (well for me anyway)

[Mojave]

I don't know about all that warrenty stuff. Would have to search that on your own. But the latest Car & Driver had the GTR kick the pants off of the Viper, ZO6 and GT3RS. Everything I've read says the GTR likes to be abused and tossed around on track. And noone has writen a bad report on one yet. I also got to see one in person here in Va Beach at a baseball game. In person the car is absolutely beatiful. It has body lines that pictures just can't capture and it has a VERY aggresive nose. If they came in a true manual I would think it would be a no brainer (well for me anyway)

The GTR magazine tests are all very fishy. Example:

Automobile: 11.6@ 126
Car and Driver 12.6@111

Where in the world did Automobile find 1 sec and 15 mph trap speed on an automatic, AWD car with launch control!?!?! 15 mph difference in trap speed on car that weighs 3800 lbs is around 125 hp difference. Nissan already admitted they cheated on the 'ring test with slicks and more boost, so how many of the magazine cars were cheater cars? If you look at some of the track results at Buttonwillow, the GTR had the fastest times in the slowest portion of the track. No AWD Playstation magic can change the fact that the GTR is heavy heavy heavy. The Z06 tires were worn and beat Michelins, and the GTR comes with some very soft, very special Bridgestones that appear to be different from the regular tires of the same model. Something is up.

Not to hate on the GTR, but everything is very, very, very, very fishy. I can't wait to see some ET's and trap speeds for actual customer cars. My guess is they will be mid to high 12's at under 114 mph, and when you compare a Z06 on R's to a GTR on R's, the Z06 is going to come out on top.




To keep my post on topic, I say Z06 all the way. The Mustang is porky, and a cammed LS7 will make more power than most will ever need on a RR car. Fix the front brakes, get some weight out of it, and go really, really fast.

This post has been edited by Mojave: Aug 29 2008, 12:25 AM

[CMC #37]

I've been in a lot of new Z06s as an instructor at Thunderhill. What a great track car! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)

[Bram]

c6 z06 and keep the ss

[Rob Hood]

Crossed flags for me...any day of the week.

[00 Trans Ram]

You're right, Eugenio - it's cheaper and easier to buy a race car already built. I built my own, and it's the last time I'll do that. If/When I ever look for another one, I'll look to find something that was fast, but not podium (drives up price). Also, something that's had between 2 and 5 races on it since any major work (engine, tranny, etc). That way it's still fresh, but proven.

BTW, I drive a G8GT as a daily driver.

That's very interesting about the GTR on slicks - I was really wondering how a 3800lbs, 4-door car with similar power was running the 'Ring at faster times than a Z06.

[Crazy Canuck]

Good God, man. Why?

I assume you've ridden/driven a new Z06 ... they are a BEAST in stock trim.

Yes I have... I find it to have decent power.

So, you are a male prostitute or a pimp?

None of the above...

driving and racing motorcycles, one gets used to power and accelerations.
My SS has pretty much the same power as the C6-Z06, although the Z06 is lighter and better.
I've driven many cars, including some supercars.
This last weekend, I actually saw a GT-R in Ottawa... sweet car, actually.

[Crazy Canuck]

c6 z06 and keep the ss

the SS ain't going nowhere... that's a no-brainer.

[mitchntx]

You're right, Eugenio - it's cheaper and easier to buy a race car already built. I built my own, and it's the last time I'll do that. If/When I ever look for another one, I'll look to find something that was fast, but not podium (drives up price). Also, something that's had between 2 and 5 races on it since any major work (engine, tranny, etc). That way it's still fresh, but proven.

And I've found just the opposite.

It's a lot cheaper to build it than to rebuild it. Buying a used race car is buying someone else's "engineering". We've worked on a few of those "fresh and sorted" cars and they were absolute POS. The standing around scratching your head trying to figure out what the builder was thinking and when a gremlin arises, tracking down the issue in an unfamiliar build are just 2 examples of what I'm talking about.

Granted, it gets you on the track faster but you'll spend 1/2 -2/3 the purchase price making it faster on the track.

my experience.

[Crazy Canuck]

So Mitch, what you look for when looking for a racecar ?
I'm thinking a good frame, as long as the car is running.

The interior will be gutted anyways, a rollcage will be installed, racing buckets will be installed, most electronics removed.
Please enlighten.

[BigEnos]

I don't know about all that warrenty stuff. Would have to search that on your own. But the latest Car & Driver had the GTR kick the pants off of the Viper, ZO6 and GT3RS. Everything I've read says the GTR likes to be abused and tossed around on track. And noone has writen a bad report on one yet. I also got to see one in person here in Va Beach at a baseball game. In person the car is absolutely beatiful. It has body lines that pictures just can't capture and it has a VERY aggresive nose. If they came in a true manual I would think it would be a no brainer (well for me anyway)

The GTR magazine tests are all very fishy. Example:

Automobile: 11.6@ 126
Car and Driver 12.6@111

Where in the world did Automobile find 1 sec and 15 mph trap speed on an automatic, AWD car with launch control!?!?! 15 mph difference in trap speed on car that weighs 3800 lbs is around 125 hp difference. Nissan already admitted they cheated on the 'ring test with slicks and more boost, so how many of the magazine cars were cheater cars? If you look at some of the track results at Buttonwillow, the GTR had the fastest times in the slowest portion of the track. No AWD Playstation magic can change the fact that the GTR is heavy heavy heavy. The Z06 tires were worn and beat Michelins, and the GTR comes with some very soft, very special Bridgestones that appear to be different from the regular tires of the same model. Something is up.

Not to hate on the GTR, but everything is very, very, very, very fishy. I can't wait to see some ET's and trap speeds for actual customer cars. My guess is they will be mid to high 12's at under 114 mph, and when you compare a Z06 on R's to a GTR on R's, the Z06 is going to come out on top.




To keep my post on topic, I say Z06 all the way. The Mustang is porky, and a cammed LS7 will make more power than most will ever need on a RR car. Fix the front brakes, get some weight out of it, and go really, really fast.

This doesn't surprise me a bit. When the last gen Supras came out and they were getting insane times that just didn't seem to correlate to the power/weight ratio everyone was like (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) But, a couple years later when the mag's went back to test "normal" cars they just couldn't replicate the numbers. A guy from TRD admitted that they had "upgraded" the press-fleet cars at the debut to get the hype up. This is business-as-usual for japanese automakers. Some of their achievements are smoke and mirrors.

That being said, the GT-R is still a cool car IMHO. And look at the Supra resale numbers now, GT-R might be similar.

[00 Trans Ram]

You're right, Eugenio - it's cheaper and easier to buy a race car already built. I built my own, and it's the last time I'll do that. If/When I ever look for another one, I'll look to find something that was fast, but not podium (drives up price). Also, something that's had between 2 and 5 races on it since any major work (engine, tranny, etc). That way it's still fresh, but proven.

And I've found just the opposite.

It's a lot cheaper to build it than to rebuild it. Buying a used race car is buying someone else's "engineering". We've worked on a few of those "fresh and sorted" cars and they were absolute POS. The standing around scratching your head trying to figure out what the builder was thinking and when a gremlin arises, tracking down the issue in an unfamiliar build are just 2 examples of what I'm talking about.

Granted, it gets you on the track faster but you'll spend 1/2 -2/3 the purchase price making it faster on the track.

my experience.

I'll trust your experience. You've got more than me!

Another option that would probably take care of those concerns is to rent a racecar when you go to the track. For about $500-800 per day, you can get a good car to have fun with. It may sound like a lot, but just getting into a car you'll be happy with (no Spec Miata, I'm assuming) will cost you $30k. At $750 per day, that's 40 race days. Assuming 1 per month, that'll get you racing for over 3 years. But you're in Canada, so it could last longer.

The nice thing about renting is that you don't have to worry about a thing. Arrive and drive. No hauling, no changing tires, no upkeep, no storage for the winter. Yeah, you have to drive someone else's car, but they can usually help you set it up pretty quickly. And after a few races, they'll have the car setup like you like it before it gets to the track.

[Torque]

Another vote for the Z06 option but very curious about the comments on the front brakes. What's the issue with the brakes? Is it simply a pad upgrade? Larger rotors, etc?

I recently went through a similar decision process this past year (Z06 vs. Mod C6 vs. Full blown race build on my Camaro which was previously street/strip car) and went with building a race car. I already have a tow vehicle (daily driver) and once I recover from the cost of the build... may look at a fun street car like the new GT8 that should be coming out in a manual, used value GTS-V, etc. Maybe Vette but the wife is horrified that they come with a lifetime supply of wife-beaters and gold chains and that we'll move to Jersey. Still working on the whole image thing with her.

Anyway, despite it taking much longer than I ever would have imagined, I'm still happy with the decision as you get to make things the way you want them from day one. Obviously a large price to pay vs. buying used but I'll be much more comfortable knowing the car's safe and should be more reliable when I hit the track.

The Nissan is way too Fast and Furious for me. If you are into Fast and Furious, seems decent but be prepared for having a very limited production car that will pretty much be dealer serviced only. I'd be shocked if the average Nissan service department that's used to working on cars 1/4 the cost would have a clue about what to do with the thing when you show up for service (besides taking it out and beating on it). Your other options allow you to wrench on it yourself and/or have decent options for experienced service etc.

[Mojave]

Another vote for the Z06 option but very curious about the comments on the front brakes. What's the issue with the brakes? Is it simply a pad upgrade? Larger rotors, etc?

Z06's use 6 individual padlets per caliper (1 per piston). On track, the padlets wear very, very fast, and usually unevenly. A fast, hard braking HPDE driver can burn up a set of padlets in 1 day. Carbotech (and probably others) make replacement padlets in good compounds, but be prepared to pay over $300 (sometimes $350) a set for them, and even the good padlets only last a weekend.

The rotors are beefy 14" units and the calipers work well, but the padlets plain suck.

[00 Trans Ram]

I wonder if people replace the calipers? At $300 per track day, a set of $1500 MovIt calipers will pay for itself real quick!

[Torque]

ok, that makes sense. It's a shame that it works out that way but if that's the one and only thing you need to worry about.... really can't complain!

[Spruill242]

Why not save some money and buy a C5 ZO6?? Use the extra money to buy what you need to make it as fast as you want it. Just playing devils advocate. Buy a Radical... I've seen those things go REALLY fast.

I think you need to look at the power/weight ratio per dollar spent factor. There has to be stuff out there with the same performance as a C6 ZO6 for less.

This post has been edited by Spruill242: Aug 29 2008, 08:49 PM

[Crazy Canuck]

this one looks good:
http://www.canadatrader.com/result/detaili...gno=1&srt=1

[SSTAT]

GTR's suck. I passed one on track like it was tied to a stump 3 weeks ago at mid-ohio in my 420hp camaro...

Yes, I have some mad driving skills...

OK the driver sucked, but it was triumphant nonetheless.

Did I ever tell you guys about the time I passed a Carrera GT on track? - Yea alright that driver sucked too.

PS: ZO6

This post has been edited by SSTAT: Sep 12 2008, 01:42 AM

[Rob Hood]

Right now there is a BLACK C6 Z06 at a dealer here in Chandler with no additional markup sticker.

[Crazy Canuck]

markup is illegal in Canada, actually... so no dealer can sell over MSRP... they can have waiting lists, but cannot sell for more.

[BryanL]

I thought Z06's were going for 10k off sticker here in Dallas/Fort Worth.

[soulless]

Well my personal dream car is an Ultima GTR with a mildly built LS7. It seems to be within your budget but I don't know how you feel about kit cars, though.

[bsim]

Life is too short not to get one of these...

And why I won't get a GT-R.

[CrashTestDummy]

Wow, it will be twice as hard to keep the diff in the V with 556 HP on tap. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif)

But yeah, I do like the V.

[SStrokerAce]

ZO6.... any day of the week.

Best pushrod V8 ever built by a manufacture, period. With some simple work that thing can make the power of the ZR1 and it's NA. I think the car looks better than the ZR1 as well. (Headers, Cam, Springs, PRs, Minor head work, Injectors, Intake, tuning and of course a better clutch and aluminum flywheel! = SCARY FAST!)

The thing that kills me the most is how all the "tests" with the ZO6 they can't 1/4 mile what owners actually do and all the track times are on the POS GY run flats. A set of real tires like those on the GT-R will make the car even more of a beast!

[StanIROCZ]

Wow, it will be twice as hard to keep the diff in the V with 556 HP on tap. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif)

The V has a cast iron diff now, so that should help.

Edit to add: I rode in an Auto version a couple weeks ago. It definitly puts you back in the seat, but I didn't think it was 556 HP worth. But the driver was driving like a p_ss_y. .

This post has been edited by StanIROCZ: Oct 10 2008, 02:51 PM

[Crazy Canuck]

someone bought a brand new toy, but not telling who it is...
only down side is that person has to wait till the spring to enjoy it... from what I heard, it was worth the purchase @ 30% off, brand spanking new.

[Bram]

Congrats and do u already have it hiding in your garage?do you still have the same garage or r u not around here anymore.

[Crazy Canuck]

Congrats and do u already have it hiding in your garage?do you still have the same garage or r u not around here anymore.

house is sold.
call me on the week-end... we should go for a drink during the holidays

[Bram]

love to but leaving for California on sat.I'll give you a call when i get back.happy holidays