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StanIROCZ
post Jun 24 2010, 02:38 AM
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Finally:
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Its been 19 months since the last time I drove the car. Keith at Ice Nine Customs is going to be doing the squirting. http://www.iceninecustoms.com/
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post Jun 24 2010, 02:45 AM
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Congats! I never thought you were going to finish tig welding the cage... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)

Can't wait to see this thing finished.
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post Jun 24 2010, 02:53 AM
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QUOTE (Mojave @ Jun 23 2010, 10:45 PM) *
Congats! I never thought you were going to finish tig welding the cage... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)

Me either (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE (Mojave @ Jun 23 2010, 10:45 PM) *
Can't wait to see this thing finished.

Me either (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jun 24 2010, 03:18 AM
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Congrats Stan. You've put alot work in the car, and it will show.
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post Jun 24 2010, 09:43 AM
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VERY cool! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Jun 24 2010, 12:06 PM
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Nicely done! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)

Typical....all that's left is an oil stain... lol (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rotf.gif)

I guess I have to actually go back to work on mine now. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)
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post Jun 24 2010, 04:54 PM
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I need to thank John (Quasar) for his help in delivering the car yesterday. He came over with his truck and trailer, and we sweated our balls off pushing the car on it. Then the drive to Ice Nine Customs.

Pushing the car on the trailer wasn't near as hard as I thought it would be. The car seamed to weigh nothing without the engine, trans, driveshaft and pretty much everything else removed. The front fascia, fenders, and doors, wheels etc were basically just 'resting' (a few bolts holding them on) on the car, but everything else is stripped off.

Yeah, like many of you eluded to, it was a big day for me. I've owned the car since I was 17 years old back in '97 and the paint was never that great so I've always looked forward to the time when I could get it painted. The past year and a half I've been working on the cage project along with the hardtop roof conversion and lexan etc. I have way more time into the car than it will ever show (much of that is because I'm slow, yet particular in my own ways). So needless to say I'm very excited about getting the car back with nice paint, putting it back together, and then running the piss out of it (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Hopefully I can get it back together in time to drive it late this summer or fall, then avoid the temptation to tear it apart again this winter (jackass!)!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/twak.gif)

I'm doing something quite a bit different than what I've seen anyone else do. I love AIX cars but I'm more 'car guy' than 'racer'. That means I like the bad ass-ness of the race car and I love track days but want the finish and attention to detail of a nice (not quite show) car and it will be street driven. I want it to be nice, but I don't want to be afraid to run the piss out of it; 2 things I realize don't go together so well. We'll see how that works out.

From what I've seen and talked to Keith at Ice Nine Customs I have complete confidence in what he does. In my obsessive compulsive ways I think I'd be nervous giving the car to most shops, but I have no reservations giving it to him. I'm sure I'll be happy with what he does for me.
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post Jun 24 2010, 05:01 PM
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I'm excited to see it in paint. It's about time the car had a nice coat of color.
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post Jun 24 2010, 08:44 PM
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Is he going to pull the front fenders and bumper cover off for painting? You'll feel a whole lot better about installing the drivetrain if those are safely tucked away somewhere.
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post Jun 25 2010, 02:49 AM
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Alan that is a great tip. I told Austin I'd help him put the car back together, and he said if I was going to help I had to take my pants off. Something about belt buckles or something, I dunno I felt kinda wierd after he said that.....(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

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post Jun 25 2010, 01:17 PM
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Heh, good idea! Get yourself a lot of old blankets and use them regularly. I'm _slowly_ putting together our SVO restomod, and spend almost as much time laying out the blankets and towels to cover shiny, unscratched paint, as I spend putting parts back on the car.
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post Jun 25 2010, 01:54 PM
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Take pictures when its fresh. Forget the blankets, the first scratch is the hardest. After the initial dent or ding or scratch you'll be okay (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jun 25 2010, 03:02 PM
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Howdy,

Its been super cool to see the progress and follow along from home on this. Can't wait to see it painted, even though I'm more of a "wash it? What?" kinda guy.

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post Jun 26 2010, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (slowcamaro @ Jun 25 2010, 08:54 AM) *
Take pictures when its fresh. Forget the blankets, the first scratch is the hardest. After the initial dent or ding or scratch you'll be okay (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Fresh paint and good body work is a body contact magnet. After a tip from a fellow racer, I key it myself and put a sticker over it.
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post Jun 29 2010, 02:35 AM
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Years ago I had the LF fender repainted and as I was putting the hood back on (in a hurry) I dropped the ratchet right onto the freshly painted fender (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/rant2.gif)

I'm not sure what's the higher risk, damaging the fenders and fascia while putting the engine back in, or me damaging the fenders or doors while trying to put them back on myself.

I've 'dumbed' the engine bay down considerably and I'll be putting the engine back in with the accessories on, so hopefully I don't spend too much time under hood. And if my paint guy scratches anything while putting the fenders and fascia back on, he gets to fix it. If I scratch it, it’s on me. And he was going to 'line everything up' real nice.

But I totally see the other side of this. Or just scratch and be done with it.
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post Jul 27 2010, 02:46 AM
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As it sits at the sand blast shop. Ice Nine Customs is just across the driveway.

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The entire engine bay will get sand blasted just because he says that it is easier than trying to sand the little spots and de-grease. A couple other spots on the body will be blasted, but most of it is already sanded and filled.

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I didn't show this before, but I modded the tunnel to move the Jerico shifter rearward because of the driver seat moving back about 8". While I was at it I decided to add clearance for the shift rails all the way forward since it was pretty tight. And since Randy did I figured all the cool kids are doing it so.. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

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In person the body work looks excellent. I can't wait to see it all one color.
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post Jul 27 2010, 11:55 AM
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Neat! So what color will it end up with?
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post Jul 27 2010, 12:50 PM
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Factory red on the outside.

The engine bay and interior will be gray to keep it easy to clean and touch up. I picked out a color of Krylon spray paint that I liked and gave that to the painter. He is going to match it. This way I can always touch it up without getting special paint.
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post Jul 28 2010, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE (Racing Geek @ Jul 27 2010, 07:55 AM) *
Neat! So what color will it end up with?


As he said he is going back with stock bright red outside, but we all need to unify and convince him to put the IROC-Z badges and belt stripe back on the car. He is a loser and doesn't want to do it but I think it would be awesome. He doesn't want to be "labeled" and he feels the IROC-Z moniker is too redneck/hillbilly/white trash. With the correct stance and with the mods he has, I think those labels will be pretty far from anyone's mind. I've met lots of new guys over here in South Bend and regardless of thier tastes, no one makes fun of me about it, frankly it's quite the opposite...

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post Jul 28 2010, 01:36 PM
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Put the decals back on it!!! Heck, I wish I had an IROC. Instead I have to envy yours. Remember that my car came with the "wannabe F40" rear wing and tack on ground effects (which I even sorta liked, but the IROC body is much cleaner looking).
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post Jul 28 2010, 02:12 PM
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Yeah, Stan, you drive a 3rd Gen. You've ALREADY been labeled!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif) Might as well make it look good. Just keep the mullet tucked under the helmet, and remember to use regular jack stands instead of cinder blocks when working on the car in the pits, and you'll be fine.

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post Jul 28 2010, 03:45 PM
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Funny I just passed through Detroit yesterday and seen a hooptie up in the air resting on stacks of slab stone.

There's no way in hell IROC decals are going back on. What's that stand for any ways?

"Italians Racing On Crack"?
"Ignorant Retard Out Crusing"
"I Reek Of Cologne"
"It's Really Only a Camaro"
"I Run Over Critters" (this one applies to Jeremy the Hillbilly, ROAD KILL BABY!)



QUOTE (1meanZ @ Jul 28 2010, 08:48 AM) *
He doesn't want to be "labeled" and he feels the IROC-Z moniker is too redneck/hillbilly/white trash.

You proudly sport the IROC name and look at you:
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nuff said!
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post Jul 28 2010, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Jul 28 2010, 11:45 AM) *
QUOTE (1meanZ @ Jul 28 2010, 08:48 AM) *
He doesn't want to be "labeled" and he feels the IROC-Z moniker is too redneck/hillbilly/white trash.

You proudly sport the IROC name and look at you:


nuff said!



Who the heck gives the thumbs up to a TBI engine???? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)
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post Jul 28 2010, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 28 2010, 11:59 AM) *
QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Jul 28 2010, 11:45 AM) *
QUOTE (1meanZ @ Jul 28 2010, 08:48 AM) *
He doesn't want to be "labeled" and he feels the IROC-Z moniker is too redneck/hillbilly/white trash.

You proudly sport the IROC name and look at you:


nuff said!



Who the heck gives the thumbs up to a TBI engine???? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)

Answer: A HILLBILLY!!!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif) (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)
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post Jul 28 2010, 09:43 PM
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Put the IROC decals on. The only time I was ever referred to as a hill billy was from friends giving me shit. Everyone around here is more intrigued with my car because it is an IROC and when I tell them what I've done to the car and what I use it for they think it is even cooler. People will think your car is even more awesome. DO IT!
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post Jul 28 2010, 10:04 PM
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Italian Retard Out Cruising.

If you bought an IROC, I think it came from the factory with a gold chain and some hair gel in the map pocket. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jul 29 2010, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE (trackbird @ Jul 28 2010, 11:59 AM) *
QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Jul 28 2010, 11:45 AM) *
QUOTE (1meanZ @ Jul 28 2010, 08:48 AM) *
He doesn't want to be "labeled" and he feels the IROC-Z moniker is too redneck/hillbilly/white trash.

You proudly sport the IROC name and look at you:


nuff said!



Who the heck gives the thumbs up to a TBI engine???? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)


If you full-size the picture you can even see my Elvis style side burns in that pic!

That was last winter just before we installed the venerable L05 into Jrcook320's truck. We were just goofing around and that picture was shot. That TBI motor is a real stomper with all the ultimate TBI mods, fully ported swirl port heads and a mild cam. It now has headers too. It is in a 5spd truck with 35" swampers and it will turn them over on dry pavement amazingly well! LOL

Austin if you don't put the IROC badges back on you're going to look like all the other emo kids driving around clapped out RS's (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)
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post Jul 29 2010, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE (1meanZ @ Jul 29 2010, 08:47 AM) *
Austin if you don't put the IROC badges back on you're going to look like all the other emo kids driving around clapped out RS's (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)

That's fine, It will have the sleeper look (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post Jul 29 2010, 04:08 PM
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The car will look too plain if it's all just red. The IROC badging helps break up the color and makes it more appealing.



Why grey? Is it about the heat? I would think black would look a lot better.
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I did my interior in grey because it's a bit easier to spot cracks in the chassis. I was going to use grey or an off white color. We got grey paint for free from friends at a body shop, so mine is grey.
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QUOTE (Racing Geek @ Jul 29 2010, 12:08 PM) *
The car will look too plain if it's all just red. The IROC badging helps break up the color and makes it more appealing.



Why grey? Is it about the heat? I would think black would look a lot better.


I support Austin's decision to paint the guts gray. He's looked at many race cars of various colors and gray seemed to be the best combo of looking good, easy to clean and durable. This is a subjective thing that he put a lot of effort into.

Also the car will likely get sponsorship decals and door numbers of some kind in the future which should break up some of the red. I've seen pix of the car all together with spoiler and wheels and all and it looks fantastic. Way nicer than anything he should be allowed to play with anyhow... (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)
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post Jul 29 2010, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE (Racing Geek @ Jul 29 2010, 12:08 PM) *
Why grey? Is it about the heat? I would think black would look a lot better.

For the reason Jeremy mentioned. Also, easy to touch up. Red fades and never seams to color match well.

I always thought I'd do red everywhere, but the reasons mentioned made me want something lighter. Seeing pictures of this car pretty much made my decision: http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums/showt...ighlight=Camaro
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post Jul 29 2010, 08:18 PM
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I guess that makes sense.
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Alright Austin, updated pix or ban!!!!
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I second that motion
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post Aug 4 2010, 07:29 PM
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I might get out there to see it tonight... He said it is fully primed.
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I was looking at new door weatherstip last night... Damn that stuff is expensive. I looked at:

Hawks Third gen
Year One
A1 Auto (or is it 1A?)

Anywhere else? Do I need to get GM stuff or is the aftermarket ok?
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post Aug 4 2010, 08:07 PM
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If they are still around, check with Classic Industries. They used to (as far as I could tell) buy up old GM stock as they pulled part numbers from their catalog (after the mandatory 7 years passed for stocking parts) and they were selling manual conversion pedal kits, etc. They may have weather stripping, it's worth a shot.
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QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Aug 4 2010, 01:30 PM) *
I was looking at new door weatherstip last night... Damn that stuff is expensive. I looked at:

Hawks Third gen
Year One
A1 Auto (or is it 1A?)

Anywhere else? Do I need to get GM stuff or is the aftermarket ok?



Check Rock Auto. I bought a set for my old '88 Buick from them. Metro Seal I think was the brand. It fit welll and still work great. 15 year warranty also I think. I bet they make some for 3rd gen Camaros as well. Price was decent, I think they ran a bout $70 a pair ( I have a 4 door).
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I have softseal and the 2 parts I've used so far seem pretty good, hatch seal and door bottom.

RockAuto has them for thirdgens too, they started carrying them after I bought mine.
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QUOTE (slowTA @ Aug 4 2010, 05:50 PM) *
I have softseal and the 2 parts I've used so far seem pretty good, hatch seal and door bottom.

RockAuto has them for thirdgens too, they started carrying them after I bought mine.


all the aftermarket 3rd gen door seals that i have seen, and used, don't have the plastic inserts like the factory ones. the screws just go through little foam tabs. Kinda crappy IMO. they work, but leave some to be desired. I would prefer GM ones.
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The ones I installed on my car (not a 3rd gen) installed exactly like factory. All the little plastic push pins were pre-installed and lined up perfectly with the existing holes in the doors.
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QUOTE (00 SS @ Aug 4 2010, 07:20 PM) *
The ones I installed on my car (not a 3rd gen) installed exactly like factory. All the little plastic push pins were pre-installed and lined up perfectly with the existing holes in the doors.


im referring to the screws at the top of the seals, at the top corners of the doors. the large molded foam ends have plastic inserts in them, covered in foam. so the screws have something solid to go through, not just foam. the push in pins for the rest of the door are there and have always lined up.
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QUOTE (1meanZ @ Aug 4 2010, 01:03 PM) *
Alright Austin, updated pix or ban!!!!

Ok ok

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The first time the car has been one color since 2004.

More here: http://s116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/StanIROCZ/Paint/

He covered everything in Epoxy primer, then the body in build up primer. He's taken very good care of it. No overspray, I can't find any spots he missed, I can tell everything was cleaned very well before he sprayed it. I told him not to bother with the K-member but he did it anyways. I never told him to do the SFC's, but he noticed they were bare and sprayed them. He sprayed the tunnel farther back than I could see. It looks very good.
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QUOTE (trackbird @ Aug 4 2010, 04:07 PM) *
If they are still around, check with Classic Industries. They used to (as far as I could tell) buy up old GM stock as they pulled part numbers from their catalog (after the mandatory 7 years passed for stocking parts) and they were selling manual conversion pedal kits, etc. They may have weather stripping, it's worth a shot.

I just added up new door stuff from there: $626 (and I could spend more). yikes, is it too late to gut the doors?
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QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Aug 4 2010, 03:30 PM) *
I was looking at new door weatherstip last night... Damn that stuff is expensive. I looked at:

Hawks Third gen
Year One
A1 Auto (or is it 1A?)

Anywhere else? Do I need to get GM stuff or is the aftermarket ok?

Yes, it is expensive. On my 87 formula I ordered some aftermarket stuff that I *think* was branded Metro, and it didnt' fit in the t-top areas AT ALL. I ended up buying the GM stuff which was $700 back in 2001. I'm going to be doing it again on another third gen and I think I'll try aftermarket again because of the cost... I will say this, the GM stuff on my `87 doesn't leak after 9 years. From what I've been told, the install makes a lot of difference on the t-top cars. You shouldn't have that much issue with a hardtop car.
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Todd,
This brand I assume:
http://www.metrommp.com/

~$215 from Rockauto.com versus $625 at Classic Industries.

yeah, I'll give that a shot first. It'd have to be pretty bad for me to decide its not worth it and spend 3x that for the GM stuff.

And since I have lexan windshield and hatch and no carpet, I don't need perfection. But I'm sure it will leak less than when I had T-tops.
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QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Aug 6 2010, 03:07 PM) *
Todd,
This brand I assume:
http://www.metrommp.com/

~$215 from Rockauto.com versus $625 at Classic Industries.

yeah, I'll give that a shot first. It'd have to be pretty bad for me to decide its not worth it and spend 3x that for the GM stuff.

And since I have lexan windshield and hatch and no carpet, I don't need perfection. But I'm sure it will leak less than when I had T-tops.

yup...thats the stuff. I'm sure I have pics somewhere at home but the issue I had was that I had to stretch it a LOT to get it in the right places. Once I glued it down, the rubber pulled and distorted. Since I was trying to fix the leak that had ruined the carpet and floorpan, I wanted to be sure it sealed. The hardtop cars have far fewer corners so you'll probably be ok.
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Pics from Keith today:
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A-pillars will be painted flat black to block the windshield glare (thanks to Blaine for that idea) and color and clear on the outside early next week.

I'll get the chassis back on Wed and he'll keep the rest of the body parts because he needs to finish them. 1MeanZ is coming up Friday next week to help me put it together and the goal is to be doing hot laps around the block by Sunday.

Then I need to either drive or trailer it back to Ice Nine Customs to assemble doors, fenders, hood, facia, etc and wet sand. I have a Sept 18 even that I'm trying to make so it is going to be a busy couple weeks!
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No TPIS 422, but my lil ol Gen I tree-fitty is ready to go back in the car with new accessories:
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KRC PS pump and tank
custom machine from billet alt bracket
Jones Racing small crank and WP pulleys, and misc other hardware including the big nut at the front to put a wrench on to turn the crank for adjusting my hydraulic (ha!) valves. Jones makes some nice stuff BTW.
The big crank pulley was made by me from the original smog pump pulley + some lathe work + welding + some more lathe work
Edelbrock water pump

If you notice the belts are ~2-3" farther rearward than stock gen one set-ups.

All in all this was one project that went out of control and I spent way too much money on.
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QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Aug 27 2010, 09:45 PM) *
No TPIS 422, but my lil ol Gen I tree-fitty is ready to go back in the car with new accessories:
(IMG:http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/StanIROCZ/Engine/IMG_0592.jpg)
KRC PS pump and tank
custom machine from billet alt bracket
Jones Racing small crank and WP pulleys, and misc other hardware including the big nut at the front to put a wrench on to turn the crank for adjusting my hydraulic (ha!) valves. Jones makes some nice stuff BTW.
The big crank pulley was made by me from the original smog pump pulley + some lathe work + welding + some more lathe work
Edelbrock water pump

If you notice the belts are ~2-3" farther rearward than stock gen one set-ups.

All in all this was one project that went out of control and I spent way too much money on.


Still look in great (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Aug 27 2010, 11:45 PM) *
All in all this was one project that went out of control and I spent way too much money on.


If you leave it to your children, they'll just blow it. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Aug 27 2010, 11:45 PM) *
If you notice the belts are ~2-3" farther rearward than stock gen one set-ups.

All in all this was one project that went out of control and I spent way too much money on.


That setup looks awesome. That's exactly what I've wanted to do for a while, but I just can't bring myself to pull the trigger and spend the $$$. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
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QUOTE (mitchntx @ Aug 28 2010, 02:27 AM) *
QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Aug 27 2010, 11:45 PM) *
All in all this was one project that went out of control and I spent way too much money on.


If you leave it to your children, they'll just blow it. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

We're DINKS. If I had kids, I couldn't afford it (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/drink.gif)
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QUOTE (nape @ Aug 28 2010, 10:44 AM) *
That setup looks awesome. That's exactly what I've wanted to do for a while, but I just can't bring myself to pull the trigger and spend the $$$. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

Yeah, you must have done the math before you started buying everything, unlike me. It started innocent with an ebay deal on the new pump and some fabrication ideas using stock spare parts, then some free machine work, then needed Nascar parts and an Edelbrock water pump and I found myself ashamed of what I spent on this – it is a good % of an LSX swap.

This is about 30 lbs lighter than the stock 88-92 set-up with AC and smog delete, and my other goal was to get everything mounted low and as far back as possible.
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Looking GREAT Stan...keep us updated!!!


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QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Aug 27 2010, 11:51 PM) *
1MeanZ is coming up Friday next week to help me put it together and the goal is to be doing hot laps around the block by Sunday.


I got my Mr. T starter kit ordered and I found a cool scratcher belt buckle on e-bay, hopefully it all arrives before this weekend!
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QUOTE (1meanZ @ Aug 31 2010, 07:33 AM) *
QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Aug 27 2010, 11:51 PM) *
1MeanZ is coming up Friday next week to help me put it together and the goal is to be doing hot laps around the block by Sunday.


I got my Mr. T starter kit ordered and I found a cool scratcher belt buckle on e-bay, hopefully it all arrives before this weekend!


Any WWF championship belt copy should work nicely. Don't forget to hose yourself down with mosquito repellent before leaning in on those fenders. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)
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That guy is good:
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Chassis will be delivered tomorrow.
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I can't wait to see it finished, Stan. One of the cleanest and most serious 3rd gens I've seen (don't see many with Jericos).

So are we taking bets on how much painter tape you'll use on the nose for the first track event? I say 2.5 rolls. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)
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Looks like a good job, and it only took him 2 spray cans to do it!! Fantastic!!

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Mmmmm..... Shiny!

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QUOTE (1meanZ @ Sep 1 2010, 08:48 AM) *
Looks like a good job, and it only took him 2 spray cans to do it!! Fantastic!!

Like I said, THE MAN IS GOOD (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)
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QUOTE (Mojave @ Aug 31 2010, 09:21 PM) *
I can't wait to see it finished, Stan. One of the cleanest and most serious 3rd gens I've seen (don't see many with Jericos).

So are we taking bets on how much painter tape you'll use on the nose for the first track event? I say 2.5 rolls. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)


Looks great Stan, I love red (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

2.5 rolls of tape (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) http://www.uline.com/bl_5052/Uline-Carpet-Protection-Tape

Edit: You can get this at HD or Lowes

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Aero benefit too (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)
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(IMG:http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/StanIROCZ/Paint/IMG_1158.jpg)
My bro in-law helping me put the pedal asms back in the car - top priority since I needed to take measurements to have some flex lines made to go from the MC's to the hard line.

(IMG:http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/StanIROCZ/Paint/IMG_1166.jpg)
Still needs black paint around the windshield and cowl - I'm going to do it tomorrow if I get good weather.

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What's amazing is hacks like Jeremy and I welded this roof back on.

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This paint is going to ADD 2 seconds to my lap times (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)
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Hey you welded the top back on, I only helped trim, measure and discussed ideas. If it blows off in Putnam Co in a few weeks, I'm going to plea ignorance!

The 2 seconds will come back off your lap times in about 4 years once you get a few nicks and scuffs in it...

It looks fantastic man, I can't wait to see it with all it's clothes back on, (normally thats the other way around isn't it?) it's going to be killer. We'll have to discuss stripes and numbers, I think you'll want to break up some of the red with something. No I'm not suggesting the stock decals again either...
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QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Sep 1 2010, 09:12 PM) *
QUOTE (firehawkclone @ Sep 1 2010, 05:30 PM) *

Aero benefit too (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)



Or some of this:

http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/car+ma...vals&page=1

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Dibs on putting the first donut on it. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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I didn't get pics of the roof, but Keith took these just before it left his shop:

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I've noticed that the gray looks more blue than it really is in the pictures. In person it is gray.
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I had good help this weekend so were able to get a lot done. Jeremy and I logged in a bunch of hours; many thanks to him for make the trip up here and busting his sack working on the car. There were some small things that prevented us from getting it running but I don't consider it any real set-back. There is a ton of work to do that has to be done no matter what. We could have cobbled up a few things to make it run but that doesn't really put us any farther ahead is just not the way we do things.
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Jeremy had an engine sling so we thought it'd be easier to put the engine in with the Trans attached - not so. I'll never do it that way again in a 3rd gen.

(IMG:http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/StanIROCZ/Paint/IMG_1184a.jpg)
Space Shuttle stuff AKA air conditioning

(IMG:http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/StanIROCZ/Paint/IMG_1187a.jpg)
One of the jokes of the weekend was the 'pimpy' red wire loom that I had to buy at Advanced auto for the trailer hitch and brake install that we put on my pickup. You'll notice it routed around the engine 1x and through the header. Jeremy recently installed a brake controller and hitch set-up on his Tahoe so he knew exactly what was needed for my pickup. He put together a parts list for me and we knocked out the whole hitch + lights + brakes install in ~4 hours or so. It's nice to have that done since I will be getting a trailer soon hopefully.

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On Thursday night I painted the visible areas on the outside flat black to cut down on glare and it looks a heck of a lot better.

Some parts need ordered, some parts need to be received in the mail, I have a lot of wiring to do still, I think I forgot some bolts at the paint shop, and there are a million small things to do still. Oh, and I'm so glad there aren't fenders on this thing right now.
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Awesome looking car and sounds like you are making great progess. I agree about the fenders being off,no scratches and easier to work on. 1 question are you sure you want that wire through the header? Keep up the good work
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1 question are you sure you want that wire through the header?


The red wire loom you see is the correct color and routed in the correct location for it's purpose. Due to the size of it's johnson rod, this engine needs water heated muffler bearings. We have copper line coming out of the intake manifold on the rear driver's side that feeds the muffler bearings which are under the passenger side floor. We route the copper water line around the header like that for the added heat. The red wire loom over the copper line is just some really cool stuff Austin picked up at Autozone. It matches the car better than the blue wire loom he originally bought for it.
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_Where_ did you find water-cooled 3rd Gen Muffler Bearings?!? I've been looking for those for like forever. Our air-cooled units get very hot when autocrossing on asphalt, causing the kanute valve to stop functioning early. I think a water-cooled muffler bearing would prevent this.
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The muffler bearings we used were from an '83 Corvette, but were also used on water cooled volkswagens before 1974. They were on sale at www.kalecoauto.com, where Austin and I buy all of our hotrod parts. I'm still trying to talk him into buying a new O-pipe....
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post Sep 12 2010, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Sep 8 2010, 06:14 AM) *
_Where_ did you find water-cooled 3rd Gen Muffler Bearings?!? I've been looking for those for like forever. Our air-cooled units get very hot when autocrossing on asphalt, causing the kanute valve to stop functioning early. I think a water-cooled muffler bearing would prevent this.


(IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif) what u spect aircooled are for aircraft sheeeees. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Stan looks great. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

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It won't start. Anyone here have any ideas?

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/dfi-ecm/...tml#post4679139

I checked the muffler bearings already (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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QUOTE (StanIROCZ @ Sep 20 2010, 07:59 AM) *
It won't start. Anyone here have any ideas?

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/dfi-ecm/...tml#post4679139

I checked the muffler bearings already (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I think the issue is that the LS1 is missing...

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post Sep 21 2010, 03:07 AM
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QUOTE (Mojave @ Sep 20 2010, 07:19 PM) *
I think the issue is that the LS1 is missing...

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I was beginning to think that I needed an SB2.2 to fix this issue, but luckily today I found that I (dip shit) had one of the ECM power wires wired into the accessory circuit which is not powered while cranking. Moved the fan circuit over to accessory to make room for the ECM power wire in the ignition part of the fuse panel and it started right up. Here's proof if you need it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixpj79mLV0A

I was worried about the exhaust initially but setting the timing made it not sound like a top fuel dragster. I'm anxious to get it on the ground and outside to see what it sounds like.
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I want in-car footage of a no-lift-shift down the on ramp to I75....
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post Sep 23 2010, 02:48 AM
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QUOTE (1meanZ @ Sep 22 2010, 03:44 PM) *
I want in-car footage of a no-lift-shift down the on ramp to I75....

You can have your footage, I want to be in the car.
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QUOTE (JRCook320 @ Sep 22 2010, 10:48 PM) *
QUOTE (1meanZ @ Sep 22 2010, 03:44 PM) *
I want in-car footage of a no-lift-shift down the on ramp to I75....

You can have your footage, I want to be in the car.


Thats nice of you. Austin will have someone to help him push it back home then!! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/nutkick.gif)
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Very cool Stan, keep em coming!
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Well since Austin has been holding out on us with his updates, I'll jump in and give as much as an update as I can.

Below is the transcript of a phone call I had with him today. This is similar to many of his calls where I have to go out to the garage and look at one of my cars to tell him how to put his back together. LOL

Jeremy: What do you want dirt bag?

Austin: hey are you by your cars?

Jeremy: yah, I'm in the garage now actually, about to leave on the motorcycle....

Austin: hey that triangle weatherstripping thing by the rear view mirrors, it's longer on one side than on the other. Is the long side supposed to be on the inside of the car or the outside?

Jeremy: (looking at camaro) the long part is supposed to be on the inside of the car (walks over to TA).........Yup the TA is the same way......

Austin: well it looks like i put the one in backwards

Jeremy: you're stupid failure

Austin: I'm wrapping this thing up so I can drive it home from the body shop today. Not sure if I should post any pix or keep you guys waiting....

Jeremy: well I've had an erection for over 4 hours now, so unless you want me to seek medical attention you better post some pix

Austin: (laughing) well I'll think about it.........

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^ True story. Hopefully Jeremy is seeing this in time..

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^Keith Strong, Mr. Ice Nine Customs. AKA The Man.

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I drove it home ~20 miles after taking these pics and believe it or not, I didn't get pulled over, no one tried to race me, and the car didn't break (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/drink.gif)

Still a bunch of little things to finish up. I need to get the gauges in, work on the hood/fender/fascia fitment, fix the exhaust outlet, headlights, install the rest of the firewall block off plates so I don't smell like gas, fire extinghisher, door weather-strip, the other 2 hood pins, fix a dzus, and bunch of other small stuff.
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Looks Great! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)

Get that thing on the track...and don't put on the blue tape to protect from stone chips...invest in the 3M clear protectant.

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QUOTE (ERVRCG @ Oct 10 2010, 10:21 AM) *
Looks Great! (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/2thumbs.gif)

Get that thing on the track...and don't put on the blue tape to protect from stone chips...invest in the 3M clear protectant.

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looks really good. I must have missed the part of the build that addressed the side exhaust exit. I like it though!
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Dude that is a beautiful car. Great job!
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QUOTE (Phil @ Oct 10 2010, 03:19 PM) *
looks really good. I must have missed the part of the build that addressed the side exhaust exit. I like it though!

Thanks Phil. Here is the main thread for the exhaust:
http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?showtopic=13533

It's LOUD (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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incredible man. As I suspected, I'm still loving the rear spoiler, I'm going to have to do something like that on mine, I don't care if it's ricer or not. Fantastic paint quality it appears from the pix. Now we gotta talk about numbers and such to break up all that pretty red a bit. What did Mrs. Gerding say when you got home? How did it drive? How light does it feel? Ready for that SB2.2 yet?
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Looks real nice man. Can't wait to see more.
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Damn.....lol

Well done Stan! The car looks great!!!!
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QUOTE (1meanZ @ Oct 11 2010, 01:06 AM) *
incredible man. As I suspected, I'm still loving the rear spoiler, I'm going to have to do something like that on mine, I don't care if it's ricer or not.

Yeah, I think the hatch and spoiler might be my favorite parts of the whole car.

QUOTE (1meanZ @ Oct 11 2010, 01:06 AM) *
Fantastic paint quality it appears from the pix.

The pics don't do it justice, it is amazing.

QUOTE (1meanZ @ Oct 11 2010, 01:06 AM) *
What How did it drive? How light does it feel?

It feels stiff, light, loud, and rattles like crazy. I forgot how bad the tune is still off, I wish it ran as well as yours does. I'm not sure if the new exhaust has made a drastic change or not. Also, it has had 2 year old gas in the tank until right before I drove it home so there might be some self cleaning that happens.

I didn't really get a chance to jump on it more than doing a little burnout at Ice Nine. I was about to jump on it on an on-ramp but saw a cop right at the end with someone pulled over already so I decided against it. Beyond that I just wanted to get it home in one piece so I didn't play around.

I like the initial feel of the manual brakes but there was a couple times I tried to stop a little hard and it didn't really want to grab near like it used to so I need to test this out some more.
QUOTE (1meanZ @ Oct 11 2010, 01:06 AM) *
Now we gotta talk about numbers and such to break up all that pretty red a bit.

Yeah, Keith and I have some ideas but we should definitly talk, maybe at Gingerman soon? (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

QUOTE (1meanZ @ Oct 11 2010, 01:06 AM) *
did Mrs. Gerding say when you got home?

She was pissed because I did nothing but work on the car for 4 days straight (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But she likes the paint since she won't feel like tralier park queen riding in it anymore (well, that is until anyone looks at me (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) ). She sat in the drivers seat (pass not in yet) and she say's 'this scares me' because she can't really see out the windows because the seat is so low! lol Keith told me I look like a kid driving it.

QUOTE (1meanZ @ Oct 11 2010, 01:06 AM) *
Ready for that SB2.2 yet?

I can't handle what I got so no!
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The car is incredible Stan!
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FRAK ME THAT LOOKS AWESOME!!!

I only have two thumbs and they only go so high, but DAMN....two thumbs WAAAAAY up!!


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The car is incredible Stan!



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We're attempting to go to Gingerman this weekend if the weather holds. We'll get more pix of the car then I'm sure, hopefully none of the pics are of him in the sand trap! LOL
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Howdy,

Car really looks outstanding. Great job!

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