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|  AWD cars on the autoX/RR track? | 
|  Dec 27 2007, 05:08 PM 
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| Member  Group: Advanced Members Posts: 60 Joined: 11-November 07 From: Baltimore, Maryland Member No.: 2,000  | 
				So f'n douche bag at work got a '07 Subaru Impreza WRX Wagon, and now thinks he's the holy grail of motoring. He says AWD cars (like his WRX, which ofcourse is what god designed himself and put on the dirt road) isn't supposed to be driven on anything else but rallies (just like Ferrari's as supposed to be on the track and not on the road) and cannot be setup for the track and people need to stay off the gas to drive it around an asphalt track and that RWD is where it's at for anything performance oriented 'cos you can bring the ass end around at will. I'm not disagreeing with the RWD part (although I've noticed our f-body's like to understeer) but of course I've never driven an AWD car around a track but from what I've read, heard and seen, AWD's push a lot and have quite a bit of understeer and need more of a nose down attitude to get the handling right and then can be pretty competitive on the track. What say you? If I'm wrong, I'm gonna shut up and cry in a corner (ofcourse, having learned something ... but I ain't telling him, I'll just say I got sand in my eyes .. lol) so ... does a properly setup AWD like a WRX match, supersede a prepped RWD or will they forever be lagging behind 'cos they belong on the dirt road? This post has been edited by Mean Green Z28: Dec 27 2007, 05:10 PM | 
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|  Dec 28 2007, 06:23 AM 
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| CMCer      Group: Moderators Posts: 2,932 Joined: 12-February 04 From: the sticks near VIR Member No.: 194  | 
				I call the AWD cars "cheaters" at the track as they do seem to have an advantage over RWD cars.  I would agree they are easier to drive faster than RWD cars - this is a well known bite in the ass though as I have seen plenty of wadded up EVOs. two on one day!
				
				
				
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|  Dec 28 2007, 02:18 PM 
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| Zero brand loyalty   Group: Advanced Members Posts: 645 Joined: 22-January 04 From: Merryland Member No.: 145  | I would agree they are easier to drive faster than RWD cars - this is a well known bite in the ass though as I have seen plenty of wadded up EVOs. two on one day! They're easier to drive but they also don't give inexperienced drivers enough opportunities of what to do when all that grip suddenly goes away. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Pat | 
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|  Dec 28 2007, 03:35 PM 
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| Green Terror   Group: Advanced Members Posts: 612 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Western Maryland Member No.: 175  | I would agree they are easier to drive faster than RWD cars - this is a well known bite in the ass though as I have seen plenty of wadded up EVOs. two on one day! They're easier to drive but they also don't give inexperienced drivers enough opportunities of what to do when all that grip suddenly goes away. (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) They really aren't easy to drive. Stock-wise, getting the most out of a WRX or an STi is just as hard as getting the most out of an F-body. I do believe it was already mentioned that they are pushy pigs in stock form. In non-stock trim, the "ease" of driving is directly related to the setup. The only car that I've driven that was more of a challenge than Joel Fehrman's STi was a prepared-class TVR Vixen (and it was prepped to the limit). I think the perception that they are easier to drive is what causes the aforementioned wadding of cars at the track. The inexperienced drivers would wad anything up just as easily... well, maybe not, if it doesn't have the power. Just my 2cents, having had a lot of AWD experience. <shrug> | 
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 Mean Green Z28   AWD cars on the autoX/RR track?   Dec 27 2007, 05:08 PM
 Mean Green Z28   AWD cars on the autoX/RR track?   Dec 27 2007, 05:08 PM 
  CamaroFS34   According to the RWD guys in BSP, they can't t...   Dec 27 2007, 05:35 PM
 CamaroFS34   According to the RWD guys in BSP, they can't t...   Dec 27 2007, 05:35 PM 
  vanwyk4257   I think the WRX/STI's tend to understeer quite...   Dec 27 2007, 05:49 PM
 vanwyk4257   I think the WRX/STI's tend to understeer quite...   Dec 27 2007, 05:49 PM 
  00 Trans Ram   As with most things, it all depends on the car, it...   Dec 27 2007, 06:03 PM
 00 Trans Ram   As with most things, it all depends on the car, it...   Dec 27 2007, 06:03 PM
 
  dailydriver   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Dec 27 2007, 01:03 ...   Dec 27 2007, 07:16 PM
 dailydriver   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Dec 27 2007, 01:03 ...   Dec 27 2007, 07:16 PM

 
  00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (dailydriver @ Dec 27 2007, 01:16 P...   Dec 27 2007, 08:01 PM
 00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (dailydriver @ Dec 27 2007, 01:16 P...   Dec 27 2007, 08:01 PM 
  trackbird   I own a Mazdaspeed 6 which is AWD. It's a bit ...   Dec 27 2007, 06:19 PM
 trackbird   I own a Mazdaspeed 6 which is AWD. It's a bit ...   Dec 27 2007, 06:19 PM 
  1meanZ   from what I've seen in auto-x and road racing,...   Dec 27 2007, 06:43 PM
 1meanZ   from what I've seen in auto-x and road racing,...   Dec 27 2007, 06:43 PM 
  CrashTestDummy   Douchebag +1
While the AWD cars can be a bit heav...   Dec 27 2007, 06:54 PM
 CrashTestDummy   Douchebag +1
While the AWD cars can be a bit heav...   Dec 27 2007, 06:54 PM 
  Mean Green Z28   Thanks guys for clearing this up, I knew I had the...   Dec 27 2007, 07:46 PM
 Mean Green Z28   Thanks guys for clearing this up, I knew I had the...   Dec 27 2007, 07:46 PM 
  patred   QUOTE (Mean Green Z28 @ Dec 27 2007, 12:0...   Dec 28 2007, 02:44 AM
 patred   QUOTE (Mean Green Z28 @ Dec 27 2007, 12:0...   Dec 28 2007, 02:44 AM
 
  00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (patred @ Dec 27 2007, 08:44 PM) a ...   Dec 28 2007, 04:14 AM
 00 Trans Ram   QUOTE (patred @ Dec 27 2007, 08:44 PM) a ...   Dec 28 2007, 04:14 AM 
  roy   I own a 16 year old Sierra Cossie AWD with Ferguso...   Dec 28 2007, 05:25 AM
 roy   I own a 16 year old Sierra Cossie AWD with Ferguso...   Dec 28 2007, 05:25 AM
 
  vanwyk4257   QUOTE (roy @ Dec 28 2007, 12:25 AM) I own...   Dec 28 2007, 05:45 AM
 vanwyk4257   QUOTE (roy @ Dec 28 2007, 12:25 AM) I own...   Dec 28 2007, 05:45 AM
 
  dailydriver   QUOTE (roy @ Dec 28 2007, 12:25 AM) I own...   Dec 28 2007, 09:01 PM
 dailydriver   QUOTE (roy @ Dec 28 2007, 12:25 AM) I own...   Dec 28 2007, 09:01 PM 
  rpoz-29   Back in the late 80's, early 90's Audi had...   Dec 28 2007, 10:06 AM
 rpoz-29   Back in the late 80's, early 90's Audi had...   Dec 28 2007, 10:06 AM 
  KeithO   I was fortunate enough to get to race in a class t...   Dec 28 2007, 02:36 PM
 KeithO   I was fortunate enough to get to race in a class t...   Dec 28 2007, 02:36 PM 
  roy   The only mods have been only suspension and engine...   Dec 28 2007, 09:49 PM
 roy   The only mods have been only suspension and engine...   Dec 28 2007, 09:49 PM|   | 
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