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vanwyk4257
post Mar 21 2008, 03:37 PM
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Well, I received the blessing from my wife last weekend to go ahead and build a garage out back (it might have helped that I have two F-bodies in the garage at the moment and she's parking outside (IMG:http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) ) so I am trying to work out the details on design, size, layout et al.

I am thinking of doing a 24x30 with 12'foot walls to allow me enough height to install a 2 or 4-post lift down the road.

My thought is to put a 16x8 overhead door off to one side of the 30ft. wall which will face the house and then have a 3ft. steel service/entry door as well.

I want to have room to park two cars inside and still have a decent workshop space for working on engines, etc.

I do plan to insulate the entire building and will be running natural gas and electricity (110V only most likely) to it. Heat will be from a 90%+ efficiency furnace, i.e., forced air (my dad's in the business so I can get one cheap).
I also plan to finish the interior walls and ceiling with OSB as opposed to drywall just because it will be easier to live with, i.e., I can bang into it with tools, parts etc. without doing any real damage, and if I do manage to punch a hole in a sheet it will be easier to replace. Finally, I am anticipating putting a loft area in the trusses for storage with a pull-down ladder.

I am looking or any input with regard to the size (I know you can never build too large) based on the aforementioned parameters, will it be large enough?

Also, I would welcome any advice or input with regard to layout etc.

Thanks in advance for the input guys!
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post Mar 26 2008, 03:52 PM
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Howdy,

Heater sizing, from McMaster:
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Heat Output Required— A heater should be large enough to replace the heat lost through the floor, walls, and ceiling of the space you are trying to heat. The amount of heat lost depends on how well an area is sealed and insulated. Follow these steps to estimate your heat requirement:
Step 1: Determine the surface area of your floor, walls, and ceiling in square feet:
(2 x length x width)+(2 x length x height)+(2 x width x height)
Step 2: Estimate your heat loss factor by choosing the description that best fits your building:
Very well sealed and insulated = .25
Well sealed, but not insulated = .75
Not well sealed or insulated = 1.25
Step 3: Decide how much you want the temperature to rise in ° F:
If you don't currently have interior heat this would be the difference between the outside temperature and your desired temperature. If adding to existing heat this would be the difference between your current temperature and your desired temperature.
Step 4: Multiply the results from steps 1-3 for your estimated Btu/hr. requirement. You may need to consider more than one heater to meet your total requirement.
Step 5: If you are sizing an electric heater by watts, multiply the result in Step 4 by .293.
For Example— Your 20-ft. x 20-ft. area has a 12-ft. ceiling and is well sealed and insulated. Your current heat source can only maintain 50° F, yet you want your area to be 65° F.
Step 1: Your surface area is: (2 x 20 x 20)+(2 x 20 x 12)+(2 x 20 x 12) = 1760 sq. ft.
Step 2: Your heat loss factor is .25 since your room is well sealed and insulated.
Step 3: You need a 15° F temperature rise (the difference between current 50° F temperature and desired 65° F temperature).
Step 4: Multiplying the results of steps 1-3 determines your heat required: 1760 x .25 x 15 = 6600 Btu/Hr.
Note: Your result in step 4 is the minimum requirement to reach your desired temperature. If this result is between two heater sizes, you should select the larger size.


I've yet to see a heat loss factor from anyone that spec'd "insulated, but not sealed as well as a house"... Anyone have any ideas there? My garage has an insulated door with the rubber sealing strips on the edges & the doors & windows are tight... Does that mean I can use .25 for heat loss?

Mark
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vanwyk4257   Need input on garage layout   Mar 21 2008, 03:37 PM
zlexiss   Get a 220v feed if possible. Air compressors, wel...   Mar 21 2008, 08:50 PM
cccbock   QUOTE (zlexiss @ Mar 21 2008, 04:50 PM) G...   Mar 21 2008, 09:27 PM
vanwyk4257   Thanks for the input guys. I'll check into 22...   Mar 21 2008, 10:02 PM
mitchntx   Opinions ... we all have a different one. I opted...   Mar 21 2008, 10:11 PM
slowTA   If I ever get the opportunity to build my own gara...   Mar 21 2008, 10:21 PM
Rob Hood   Consider trailer movement and parking when decidin...   Mar 22 2008, 01:15 AM
gopanoz   A working kitchen sink in the garage has been supe...   Mar 22 2008, 01:27 AM
Mericet   Somewhere in the planning try and add a separate (...   Mar 22 2008, 01:56 AM
vanwyk4257   Wow, lots of good ideas, thanks guys! I can t...   Mar 22 2008, 02:01 AM
mitchntx   QUOTE (vanwyk4257 @ Mar 21 2008, 09:01 PM...   Mar 22 2008, 03:31 AM
vanwyk4257   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Mar 21 2008, 11:31 PM) ...   Mar 22 2008, 03:39 AM
mitchntx   RE: Need input on garage layout   Mar 22 2008, 04:18 AM
Eugenio_SS   since there was mention of garage door opening, th...   Mar 22 2008, 06:26 AM
v7guy   I can say that a sink in the garage to clean up be...   Mar 23 2008, 09:51 AM
cccbock   QUOTE (v7guy @ Mar 23 2008, 05:51 AM) I c...   Mar 23 2008, 03:11 PM
1qwikbird   QUOTE (cccbock @ Mar 23 2008, 11:11 AM) Q...   Mar 23 2008, 11:13 PM
1qwikbird   Having helped a buddy build his shop (28x32 with 1...   Mar 23 2008, 01:52 PM
T.O.Dillinder   24 x 30 is the size of my garage. It is also 2 sto...   Mar 25 2008, 04:22 AM
vanwyk4257   QUOTE (T.O.Dillinder @ Mar 25 2008, 12:22...   Mar 25 2008, 11:48 AM
mitchntx   QUOTE (vanwyk4257 @ Mar 25 2008, 06:48 AM...   Mar 25 2008, 12:53 PM
vanwyk4257   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Mar 25 2008, 08:53 AM) ...   Mar 25 2008, 02:13 PM
rmackintosh   QUOTE (vanwyk4257 @ Mar 25 2008, 09:13 AM...   Mar 25 2008, 02:57 PM
mitchntx   QUOTE (vanwyk4257 @ Mar 25 2008, 09:13 AM...   Mar 25 2008, 03:08 PM
marka   Howdy, QUOTE (vanwyk4257 @ Mar 25 2008, 07...   Mar 25 2008, 04:03 PM
00 SS   I will be building a new shop one of these days as...   Mar 25 2008, 03:33 PM
vanwyk4257   24ft. is the depth. I could potentially go a bit ...   Mar 25 2008, 08:19 PM
00 SS   Gas heat is, as you state, is about 90% efficient ...   Mar 25 2008, 11:29 PM
Wayno   Mount your heater up near the ceiling so that it d...   Mar 26 2008, 06:47 AM
vanwyk4257   QUOTE (Wayno @ Mar 26 2008, 02:47 AM) Mou...   Mar 26 2008, 01:36 PM
marka   Howdy, Common gas garage heater: http://hot-dawg....   Mar 26 2008, 03:43 PM
marka   Howdy, Heater sizing, from McMaster: QUOTE Heat O...   Mar 26 2008, 03:52 PM
00 SS   The formula is simple: BTUH = U x A x delta T U=...   Mar 26 2008, 04:09 PM
vanwyk4257   Wow, somebody stayed at a Holiday Inn last night...   Mar 26 2008, 06:14 PM
00 SS   Sorry, when you are an engineer, it's hard to ...   Mar 26 2008, 06:55 PM
vanwyk4257   Many of my friends are engineers, so I've lear...   Mar 26 2008, 09:38 PM
rushman   Do the 220v for sure. Also, if you are burying th...   Mar 26 2008, 09:54 PM
z28tt   Ditto on the 220V. Your future air compressor, wel...   Mar 28 2008, 01:48 PM
00 Trans Ram   Someone on here mentioned putting an A/C unit in a...   Mar 28 2008, 08:07 PM
rushman   QUOTE (00 Trans Ram @ Mar 28 2008, 02:07 ...   Mar 30 2008, 01:18 PM
T.O.Dillinder   Insulation is the key. Mine is insulated better th...   Apr 2 2008, 04:50 PM
vanwyk4257   Well, unfortunately after adding up the expense of...   Apr 2 2008, 04:58 PM
mitchntx   Build it right the first time. Compromises suck .....   Apr 3 2008, 03:04 AM
vanwyk4257   QUOTE (mitchntx @ Apr 2 2008, 11:04 PM) B...   Apr 3 2008, 03:52 AM
DavidDymaxion   Things I liked in my garage: I left out one cabin...   Apr 9 2008, 08:13 PM

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