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|  Business plan for Lapping days | 
|  May 29 2008, 03:18 PM 
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| Member  Group: Advanced Members Posts: 37 Joined: 13-May 05 From: Louisville, Ky Member No.: 743  | 
				Hey guys.  Since this month I've turned 36 and hit middle age, the one thing I have always wanted to do more and haven't been able to is run multiple track days per year, run Nasa TT events, and possibly get my instructors certificate. Over the course of discussions with my wife we both kept coming back to "understanding the costs". So I was trying to put together a "business plan" (for lack of a better term) that would capture the costs of multiple lapping days in my 1991 Z28 camaro. I've done 10-15 track events over the last 8 years but never have been able to do more than 1-2 in a calender year. Here is what I have so far: 
 I know most people don't want to know how much the addiction costs, but I need ammo to convince my wife it fits in the budget. Thanks | 
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|  Jun 2 2008, 08:47 PM 
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| Veteran Member      Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,323 Joined: 30-March 06 From: Detroit Suburbs Member No.: 1,144  | 
				You might want to consider getting some budget friendly Hooser Grand Am Cup scuffs.  They are dirt cheap and last a long time.  In fact, you probably won't wear them out before they get old.  They are far from being the best performing tire (so I'm told), but for track days who cares.  I can't afford to use street tires for what I pay for them ~$250 a set.  I even get them mounted by the team that I get them from for $20 / set.   I've have 3 track days on my set (that’s it?) and I really can't see much tread loss, except a little on the corners since I have them squeezed on too small of a rim. Another guy that has gone to the track many more times than I in the last 2 years is still using the same set on his mustang. I'm guessing that he has 8-15 track days on them and they were scuffed when he got them. If you are competing you might want to pay the extra coin for something better, but for OT I don't see why you'd want to. There are some people that say they suck, which is fine, but they grip better than street tires and cost a lot less. I've never tried anything else, so maybe I'm really "missing it", but I can't see spending 1k on a set of tires for what I do at this point in time. And they are pretty light. My 275/35/18's weigh 44 lbs mounted on a 20.5 lb wheel As far as my track day costs go: $150 3ballsracing.com or waterfordhills.com I haven't tried NASA yet mostly because I'm finding cheaper events and I'm waiting until the car and I are ready for TT. Gas: $163 driving a car w/o OD getting 15 mpg on 93 octane to and from an event that is 2.5 hours away. MPG w/ tuning will get better, but I was also babying the motor at the last event since it is "off". Brake pads: $180/5 I must be babying these things b/c I have 5 events plus street miles on XP8's and they are still half there. C5 rotors are holding up fine so far. Tires: cheap, see above Food: $6 one meal. 3balls gets pizza for lunch Hotel: none Incidentals: who the heck knows. $112 for a WBO2 sensor this last time. | 
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|  Jun 10 2008, 02:28 PM 
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| Member  Group: Advanced Members Posts: 37 Joined: 13-May 05 From: Louisville, Ky Member No.: 743  | You might want to consider getting some budget friendly Hooser Grand Am Cup scuffs.  They are dirt cheap and last a long time.  In fact, you probably won't wear them out before they get old.  They are far from being the best performing tire (so I'm told), but for track days who cares.  I can't afford to use street tires for what I pay for them ~$250 a set.  I even get them mounted by the team that I get them from for $20 / set.   I've have 3 track days on my set (that’s it?) and I really can't see much tread loss, except a little on the corners since I have them squeezed on too small of a rim. Another guy that has gone to the track many more times than I in the last 2 years is still using the same set on his mustang. I'm guessing that he has 8-15 track days on them and they were scuffed when he got them. And they are pretty light. My 275/35/18's weigh 44 lbs mounted on a 20.5 lb wheel Ok heres a good change to the thread. You are getting hooser grand am scuffs, which are 18". How about 274/40/17's (that what I run on stock 2000 SS wheels now) I have upgraded to 18" rims for the street but ASSuMEd that the 17" rims would cost me less for open track tires. so here are some ?'s 1) where/ how did you find your source? 2) does any series run 17" tires that can be gotten for cheap? I'd love to find someone to beg used tires from, that is one of (but not the most) expensive parts of the budget. | 
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 TrakCar   Business plan for Lapping days   May 29 2008, 03:18 PM
 TrakCar   Business plan for Lapping days   May 29 2008, 03:18 PM 
  mitchntx   QUOTE (TrakCar @ May 29 2008, 10:18 AM) I...   May 29 2008, 03:52 PM
 mitchntx   QUOTE (TrakCar @ May 29 2008, 10:18 AM) I...   May 29 2008, 03:52 PM
 
  rmackintosh   QUOTE (mitchntx @ May 29 2008, 10:52 AM) ...   May 29 2008, 03:58 PM
 rmackintosh   QUOTE (mitchntx @ May 29 2008, 10:52 AM) ...   May 29 2008, 03:58 PM

 
  JaredT   IMO justifying a hobby just makes it more discoura...   May 29 2008, 04:21 PM
 JaredT   IMO justifying a hobby just makes it more discoura...   May 29 2008, 04:21 PM


 
  TrakCar   QUOTE (JaredT @ May 29 2008, 10:21 AM) IM...   May 29 2008, 04:33 PM
 TrakCar   QUOTE (JaredT @ May 29 2008, 10:21 AM) IM...   May 29 2008, 04:33 PM



 
  CMC #37   QUOTE (TrakCar @ May 29 2008, 11:33 AM) Q...   May 29 2008, 04:50 PM
 CMC #37   QUOTE (TrakCar @ May 29 2008, 11:33 AM) Q...   May 29 2008, 04:50 PM



 
  cccbock   QUOTE (TrakCar @ May 29 2008, 12:33 PM) Q...   May 29 2008, 05:56 PM
 cccbock   QUOTE (TrakCar @ May 29 2008, 12:33 PM) Q...   May 29 2008, 05:56 PM 
  trackbird   Run street tires, they last longer. My ($298 ...   May 29 2008, 06:21 PM
 trackbird   Run street tires, they last longer. My ($298 ...   May 29 2008, 06:21 PM 
  Marty   I did 15 event days last year in a 2001 SS.  Here ...   Jun 2 2008, 02:46 AM
 Marty   I did 15 event days last year in a 2001 SS.  Here ...   Jun 2 2008, 02:46 AM 
  JKnight   Since we've moved beyond budget to tactics to ...   Jun 2 2008, 03:00 AM
 JKnight   Since we've moved beyond budget to tactics to ...   Jun 2 2008, 03:00 AM
 
  CMC #37   QUOTE (JKnight @ Jun 1 2008, 10:00 PM) Si...   Jun 2 2008, 04:23 AM
 CMC #37   QUOTE (JKnight @ Jun 1 2008, 10:00 PM) Si...   Jun 2 2008, 04:23 AM 
  nape   I quit keeping track after a HD crashed and I lost...   Jun 2 2008, 04:01 AM
 nape   I quit keeping track after a HD crashed and I lost...   Jun 2 2008, 04:01 AM 
  Rob Hood   I'm still wondering how he hit middle age at o...   Jun 2 2008, 06:19 AM
 Rob Hood   I'm still wondering how he hit middle age at o...   Jun 2 2008, 06:19 AM 
  firehawkclone   Yep, get the wife to go   Jun 2 2008, 06:22 AM
 firehawkclone   Yep, get the wife to go   Jun 2 2008, 06:22 AM 
  Blainefab   Once you start instructing, the club typically com...   Jun 2 2008, 07:52 AM
 Blainefab   Once you start instructing, the club typically com...   Jun 2 2008, 07:52 AM
 
  mitchntx   QUOTE (Blainefab @ Jun 2 2008, 02:52 AM) ...   Jun 2 2008, 05:46 PM
 mitchntx   QUOTE (Blainefab @ Jun 2 2008, 02:52 AM) ...   Jun 2 2008, 05:46 PM 
  Teutonic Speedracer   My estimates always came in at about $600/day...   Jun 2 2008, 03:59 PM
 Teutonic Speedracer   My estimates always came in at about $600/day...   Jun 2 2008, 03:59 PM 
  00 Trans Ram   I just can't bring myself to figure out the co...   Jun 2 2008, 04:44 PM
 00 Trans Ram   I just can't bring myself to figure out the co...   Jun 2 2008, 04:44 PM 
  TrakCar   Thanks for all the replies guys. I realize like an...   Jun 2 2008, 05:54 PM
 TrakCar   Thanks for all the replies guys. I realize like an...   Jun 2 2008, 05:54 PM
 
  DavidDymaxion   I have found the best trick is to look my wife in ...   Jun 2 2008, 07:22 PM
 DavidDymaxion   I have found the best trick is to look my wife in ...   Jun 2 2008, 07:22 PM
 
  cccbock   QUOTE (TrakCar @ Jun 2 2008, 01:54 PM) Bo...   Jun 2 2008, 07:57 PM
 cccbock   QUOTE (TrakCar @ Jun 2 2008, 01:54 PM) Bo...   Jun 2 2008, 07:57 PM 
  00 Trans Ram   "Well there's your problem!"
If...   Jun 2 2008, 08:32 PM
 00 Trans Ram   "Well there's your problem!"
If...   Jun 2 2008, 08:32 PM 
  mitchntx   Toyo RA1s suck ... but they suck for a long time. ...   Jun 2 2008, 08:33 PM
 mitchntx   Toyo RA1s suck ... but they suck for a long time. ...   Jun 2 2008, 08:33 PM

 
  StanIROCZ   QUOTE (TrakCar @ Jun 10 2008, 10:28 AM) s...   Jun 10 2008, 03:04 PM
 StanIROCZ   QUOTE (TrakCar @ Jun 10 2008, 10:28 AM) s...   Jun 10 2008, 03:04 PM|   | 
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